XPS oil is not packaged and shipped from the refinery, the crude product is shipped to a blending facility, at that point it is specifically Blended using the guidelines of each OEM, in the case of XPS it is Blended at Lube Tech in Minnesota, they do work with each OEM's engineers to blend the oil for each specific engine, I toured the facility and while I was there they were packaging C-TEC oil in bags and Polaris VES oil, they also produce many different lubricants as well as grease for other companies such as bobcat Poulan and many others, it's not just one oil is the same for all manufacturers, we were able to tour the labs and watch the engineers test the products to a certain point, they had Dyno rooms and other testing facilities that we were not allowed to go in , it was very interesting and I now know that all Oils are not created equal
$50 for a gallon of XPS is what some dealers charge.
That is a selling technique they use to get you to buy their brand specific oil. Bottomline, although these oils might have slightly different additives/blends, there is virtually no difference in performance. Just like oils for cars and trucks, if they are the same rating, there is little to no difference.
Nielsen's here in N. Illinois charges that. With tax it's over $50/gallon. I've seen it in bulk at the sled shows for around ~$35 per gallon but you have to get there Fri or early Sat as it's usually gone by Sat afternoon and you can't find any on Sunday.
That was the point of my renewing this thread. There aren't many oils that I have found that meet the grade 4 requirement. Jaso-fd is easy sae grade 4 not so much.
Doesn't the grade 4 mean that it mixes and pumps at -40*?
The SAE grade 4 test is done at -40. Grade 4 is determined by how may revolutions the test sample takes to combine with gasoline; its stability once mixed with the gasoline, and the ability flow through a certain standard test tube at that temperature. A lot of oils have a pour point of -40 or colder; apparently this is not the same as SAE grade 4. According to Maxima who's oil has a pour point of -45, its oil is not grade 4 because it is not as thin or is heavier in weight than those oils. Again all of this is just interesting material I found while curious about BRP's equivalent oil rating looking at the users guide for he 2021 e-tec snowmobiles. I am not saying that Mystic or any other synthetic JASO-FD oil won't work. I just want people to be informed about the wording in said users guide and what that potentially means for their warranty coverage. BRP may never reject an engine claim because of the oil you chose to run. But if they wanted to they could have leg to stand on based upon the standards they list in their owners guide.
That's pretty much what everyone is running (what they want), and it proves my point that there are no problems and very little difference with the major brands of oils. It comes down to availability, pricing and personal preference. The manufacturers really push their respective brand oils strictly for sales and profits.
On the bold, that always cracks me up. So Doo and the others make money on their oil but Amsoil only does it for charity work. Doo has 1000s of accessories to sell you, Amsoil only has oil!
On the bold, please, I would love to see the data backing up that claim. I'll wait.
The Motul testing was posted in here by someone else a few posts ago; and Amsoil widely publicized theirs at the time the testing was published. Is it as much testing as BRP the oem who's oil you need an equivalent... absolutely not. Is it more than you'll get from most other oil manufacturers... yes. Does it mean you can't run any other oil... no. Does it mean you won't be covered under warranty for reasons stated in earlier posts... maybe. So to users if all other oil... beware. I say follow the advice I got from Mystics own oil rep; run the manufacturers oil for warranty purposes. Or don't, it doesn't matter to me. But the people must be informed!!! Lol [emoji23]
Yeah but Amsoil sells a whole litany of different lubes and oils that cover a wide variety of machines. Oil, grease, gear lube, etc.
XPS also has a wide range of product offering, not just 2 stroke oil.
I still think Amsoil is probably more commonly used is all.
