And why does this not surprise me ?

Don~

 

Makes my pre order more valuable. Gonna be another year of top dollar used.

 

waytogo W.H.O.

 

It is not just inflation here.

Shell oil just posted record profits. Companies are using inflation to raise prices and increase profits even more. Ski Doo is no different.

Consumers doo have some choices. I am buying fewer new sleds and buying used gear and accessories, and trading stuff with friends.

Dooing what I can to continue with the sport I love despite crazy price increases.

 

It is not just inflation here.

Shell oil just posted record profits. Companies are using inflation to raise prices and increase profits even more. Ski Doo is no different.

Consumers doo have some choices. I am buying fewer new sleds and buying used gear and accessories, and trading stuff with friends.

Dooing what I can to continue with the sport I love despite crazy price increases.

I don’t think Shell’s profits have much to do with inflation. The price of crude oil has more than doubled since last year. They produce the oil, so hence their profit and any other oil producing company profits will be up. It’s been a great year to own stock in any oil company.

As for BRP, I think they are in the same situation with many other companies. The price of sea bound container freight has quadrupled since mid 2021, partially due to oil prices, other due to lack of workforce, and raw materials to make containers. Speaking to a few of our suppliers at work, they are having to air freight things from East Asia to get them into the US as the lead time on container transport is 4-6 months +.
The most recent rounds of lockdowns in China probably don’t help the situation much either. Inflation adds a few % to this as well, but I think BRP had that figured into their numbers for this year. I am assuming all the cost increases stem from more expensive shipping to insure parts are here for a September-November build slot. No point building dealer inventory sleds that show up in march 2023.

 

china's zero covid policy will be impacting supply for who knows how long. they've imposed restrictions in 5 of their major manufacturing hubs, two of which are the world's largest and third largest ports.
from an article: Once "basically normal" operations resume in earnest, demand is likely to increase as companies attempt to clear the backlog of containers. Should the decision to ease COVID-19 restrictions be taken in the coming months, a surge in demand would likely coincide with the peak August-October shipping season, further driving up prices and limiting capacity."
i don't automatically jump to the conclusion that companies are price gouging because they can. the situation is too complex besides supply chain issues are obviously real.
don't know how the war in ukraine impacts things but it can't be helping and i don't think that is ending anytime soon. also, i believe composit tracks are made in russia.
regarding oil prices, look at a sled and take note of just how much plastic is used in it's manufacture.

 

I thought everything would get better...

 

It will

 

"only affect in-season models purchased on May 4, 2022 and after."

Curious, there will be in season snow machines after all. You mean there were no "sold out" allocations?
Or was it more marketing hype at snow check time?

 

Dealers will be allocated a small number of in stock models. My dealer is getting 35 units for stock in the fall. They did 300 Spring Breaks though so I am sure that a lot of smaller dealers will get 4-5 units for stock.

 

Guys and Gals buy "DOOO" stock you will making money just like the company is.

 

Breaking news: supply chain issues and pandemic.

 

That's it! I'm going to buy an Arctic Cat........

 

Yep..everything is going nuts..My natural gas bill just doubled. .68 a therm to 1.11.

 

Gas prices have hit an all time high. I put about $130 in the minivan today, just before a ten cent increase. When you start to put well over $200 in a pickup, plus the cost of fuelling on the trail, things are getting serious. My friend put $270 of diesel in his F250 (extra range tank), a couple of increases ago - safe to say it would be well over $300 today.

All these increases are really going to squeeze the little guy and force people to make some choices. As I said, to many, toy price increases as well as gas prices mean nothing, but to others it is a big deal. I don’t know that it will affect snowmobile sales, since there aren’t many available anyway, but I am sure there are going to be some people getting out of snowmobiling.

I sure wouldn’t want to be traveling across the country in a motorhome or pulling a big fifth wheel.

 

A 2013 Ski-Doo Renegade Adrenaline 600 e-tec retailed for around $12,000 in 2013. New one is $15,420 with the surcharge, so a 28.5% increase over 10 years. That's an average of 2.85% per year not including compounding.

I bought a new 2013 F150 FX4 for $42,000 CDN. A similar 2022 is selling for around $72,000 today, that is MSRP without any surcharge. That's a 71% increase over 9 years. So an average of 7.9% per year not including compounding.

So for the Ski-Doo, a 2.85% per year increase, which includes all the surcharges, is extremely lean, especially considering the technology advances. Ski-Doo has done an amazing job holding the line on pricing. We have absolutely nothing to complain about with respect to sled prices from 'doo.

If you want to snowmobile more cheaply, that's easy to do, more so today than ever. Buy a 4 stroke and hold on to it, and look after it. You'll be snowmobiling cheaper than we were on 2 strokes just a few years ago.

 

A 2013 Ski-Doo Renegade Adrenaline 600 e-tec retailed for around $12,000 in 2013. New one is $15,420 with the surcharge, so a 28.5% increase over 10 years. That's an average of 2.85% per year not including compounding.

But nobody was paying retail in 2013. Just 3 years ago in my state a Renegade 600R X was only $10,700 USD completely out the door including tax.

Edit: this was the price for 1 year warranty during snow check.

 

Brp can suck it.. ne t month they will post record profits.
The great 2022 scam will go down in history.

 

I think we have exponentially more difficult problems ahead to deal with. We may be lucky to mow the lawn once a week, and instead go a day or two later. There is no way to get the grass cut at the same intervals without dipping into the other funds. The price for a loaf a bread didn't change, but it is missing a few slices. Going to the store to pick-up the smaller loafs is now 1.5 times the cost.

 

I'm going to keep working all the ot I can, stuff it in the bank and pensions, no new sleds till the world stops being crazy.
Pretty much $20k for a decent sled in Canada right now. EFFF THAT!

 

You are making sense. Honestly, I just can’t understand where so many people are getting the money that they are spending. A friend stopped by yesterday and was talking about so many guys that he works with buying new trucks etc. at 80 and 100,000. The houses here are still selling almost instantly, doesn’t matter what price is on them. Lifestyles are certainly a complete 180 from our parents and grandparents time, and even our time as far as some of us older guys on here. Like I said, I just can’t get my head wrapped around it really. Where is the limit going to be?

 

I'm glad I'm not in the market for anything right now, even if I was I would not be a participant in this bs.

 

Snowmobiles are a luxury item for most and we can all say no to a new sled when the prices get too high. Right now I won't pay the inflated prices for new snowmobiles. My last 2 are 4 strokes that cost about $10,000 each. I expect them to last for the 10 to 15 years that I have left in the sport.

 

It's only ones and zeros...
I will continue to spend money on my ridiculous habits. But 20k for a new sled is absolutely out of the question. I went for the 70k truck instead.
As long as it keeps rolling in, I'll spend some and save some. Basics of balance between a happy life and sh1t sucking. Know your boundaries

 

My 20 gade xrs with 4 year warranty was around 16000 plus taxes
A 23 was supposed to be 20000 with 2 year warranty plus taxes.

I didn’t buy it.
not sure what I’ll do, there’s 6000 miles on my 20 with 1 year warranty left, possibly could have 8000 miles after next winter, then warranty is done.

Not sure who would then buy it considering a motor rebuild from skidoo here is $8000!

Its basically a part out if the motor blows out of warranty.

 

I was one of the crazy ones who snow checked this spring. The only saving grace for me is the re sale on my 2019 XRS will help off set the extra 2K I spent for my 850 XRS Renegade with Smart Shox. My dealer took it relatively easy on me. Have to see if it comes in .😀

 

same situation here. the 23's jumped in price but what im getting for my 22 on trade also jumped in similar value. plus my 22 has 2 years remaining warranty and a 23 has 2 years warranty. works for me.

 

I spring checked a Enduro 900 T...My current sled is a 2009, so I keep things a very long time and heavily maintain them...

 

As I approach my 50's (with back issues), I look at it like this. In 10 years, sleds will be more expensive and I will be 10 years older with another 10 years wear and tear. If I want to enjoy the time I have now with a relatively healthy body, I'm going to have to pay market rate on the sleds. If I want reliable machines, that means buying new and, selling when they have between 4,500-5,000 miles. It's expensive (I just ordered 2 more 850's) but in 10 years I'll have some great memories with the family, and I'll never look back and wish that I had passed on the snowmobiling due to the expense.

 

You hit all the great points that I embrace too, as I am now in my mid 50s. Good health is not promised to any of us, so I am going to enjoy it as much as possible. I will probably keep buying new sleds every 2-3 years. Life is too short to not take those big smiles while you can!

 

You guys make great points, but there is a difference between finding something expensive yet still being able to afford it, and no longer being able to afford it or having to choose between that and other pleasure activities.

I agree completely though, enjoy life when you can. It goes fast.

 

You guys make great points, but there is a difference between finding something expensive yet still being able to afford it, and no longer being able to afford it or having to choose between that and other pleasure activities.

I agree completely though, enjoy life when you can. It goes fast.

Totally agree. We are also in the you-only-live-once camp but don't need to have a new $20,000 snowmobile every year. For those with the means, and if that's what floats your boat, awesome! Keeps the economy humming along.

Snowmobiling can be expensive or it can be affordable, depending on your needs and wants. Our family lineup is the best we've ever had, by far, and I'm happy as a clam holding on to what we have and piling on the miles.

Come on snow! (like, in 6 months...)