What don't you like about the single ply track? Pretty hard to say that the durability is an issue with them, especially if you aren't going to use conventional studs.

The prestudded ice ripper tracks have been, hands down, the most durable tracks I've seen to date (and I know a ton of guys with them, and have had a bunch of them myself). I haven't had an ice storm yet, but it looks to have very similar construction to the ice rippers.

I would feel WAY more comfortable with the ice storm prestudded then I would feel about adding screw in studs to the regular storm track from a durability standpoint. I don't really follow your logic on that one I guess.

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My gut quick answer is "NOPE" to screw in studs. For slow moving tires or tracks great but for high speed stuff I would stay away from them.

I have no experience with them and I have not heard anything positive or negative about them.

 

I am going to take a guess a tire can have a faster rotation speed in relation to a track on a snowmobile, along with a much higher centrifugal forces and prolonged usage. 1 rpm on the final drive (after all gearing of course) rotates the wheel 1 time, were as 1 rotation of the final drive on sled only turns track a fraction of its track length! Anyhow, just a guess, as I truly don't know...but I did just stud my girls Indy 550 Shockwave track with igrips st-20's. No experience yet, but I didn't want the weight of real studs bogging that little engine down any further and wanted some safety for her...plus if it chucks any, not to worried about much damage along with not much to damage in that tunnel because of no cooling fluid circulating in there, and I wont be behind her to receive one either!

 

My gut quick answer is "NOPE" to screw in studs. For slow moving tires or tracks great but for high speed stuff I would stay away from them.

I have no experience with them and I have not heard anything positive or negative about them.

U haven't heard anything positive or negative about them but still have advice? Lol
Here's my experience, 2200 miles and not one worn nor bent/broken screw. Granted the studs protrude over them so they are never in contact with pavement when road crossing etc..
120 screws with 114 1.62 Studboy and this track hooks, my favorite setup yet.
The 120 screws are equal in weight to 9 studs. So I have 230+ pieces of metal hooking on the hard stuff. Everyone doubted me, but I will do it again and again

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That looks bad ass!

 

Check out the fella that did 21,000mi. this year with an ice ripper 1.25. No problems and says track looks fine.

 

I've put 8000+ miles on them myself and never had an issue with one. Like I said, the ice ripper track has been the most durable track I've ever used.

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I have heard of guys throwing cold cutters/ice screws thru their coolers. I havnt ever ran them in a sled, but wouldnt want to risk it myself. I have ran them in lots of dirt bike and atv tires and they work great but i have always had them pull/throw out. Normally have about half of what ya originally install left at the end of season. Wouldnt want to risk it on a g4 tunnel/cooler..

 

I'd check out iGrip out of Canada. They have a series of screw in studs made for snowmobile tracks. I put an Ice Storm single ply on my 850 this season and put iGrips down the outer 1.25" edges. Those studs are not backing out of you put them in right.

I locked a few down in my vice and tried to break them. The threaded part of the screw bends before the tips break off.

 

https://www.igripstud.com/

I used the SS32r. They almost sit flush with the center studs and catch well while turning.

 

I was not sure about screw in studs but my buddy installed some this season. It was in a backcountry track at all the thickest points . I think he ended up with 160 or 170 and they have been stellar. Nobody is harder on a sled so it is s good testament to the screw in studs. Personally I like studs but if you want something less aggressive this is a good option for people.

 

Bumping this one to see if anyone has more miles on them or has tried these.

 

Igrip studs are the best trail studs period...never going back to push through studs..never drilling a hole through a track again...no more worn boggie wheels...1/20th less weight than push through studs....less rotating mass...I put over 7000 miles on my last set of igrip studs and they still looked great...

 

What size stud and track?

 

I put 200 IGrip screw in studs on my 600R this year. 1500kms on them and still look like new and work great. Will never go back to traditional studs.

 

I wonder what they use in the factory ice tracks? I am thinking of using the igrips in a ripsaw. I also have an ice ripper on a 850 and really like that track and have had no problems with it.

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what Igrip stud? I have a 1.25 " ripsaw I want to do same. Not sure between st24r or ss28r

 

Ed - how come ya added the traditional studs too? Needed more grip? Those are holding up well in the hurincane eh?

As for the Igrip studs - no one is gluing them? The instructions say you don't have to but Bergstrum recommended you do for his design. I can't see it hurting?

 

Installed Gripstuds GST-1610 screw in studs in my Storm 150 2 ply last year. 3000 miles so far not one missing.

 

U haven't heard anything positive or negative about them but still have advice? Lol
Here's my experience, 2200 miles and not one worn nor bent/broken screw. Granted the studs protrude over them so they are never in contact with pavement when road crossing etc..
120 screws with 114 1.62 Studboy and this track hooks, my favorite setup yet.
The 120 screws are equal in weight to 9 studs. So I have 230+ pieces of metal hooking on the hard stuff. Everyone doubted me, but I will do it again and again

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Why?

 

Why?

Because Merica!

The more the better, amen.

That goes for Horsepower, studs, beers, women, etc.

 

holy studs!!

 

Ed - how come ya added the traditional studs too? Needed more grip? Those are holding up well in the hurincane eh?

As for the Igrip studs - no one is gluing them? The instructions say you don't have to but Bergstrum recommended you do for his design. I can't see it hurting?

Studs were first in my Storm, added the screws after, look great still.
As far as my hurricane they are holding up great after 1600 miles.

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Installed Gripstuds GST-1610 screw in studs in my Storm 150 2 ply last year. 3000 miles so far not one missing.

This is the exact route I'm thinking about going. I want the 2ply track and dont want to deal with regular studs. Why the ice storm 150 is a 1 ply is beyond me!

 

2017 TNT850 with Storm150. Installed Icemaster screw in studs and was very pleased for the first 2000 miles. This spring I noticed a dent in the back of the tunnel from the bottom up, and knew right away what causes that. Checked track and found 16 of the towers on the ends of the paddles were gone. Three of them hit the top of the tunnel, one in the center causing the previously mentioned dent, the other two hit the heat exchanger area,denting it but not puncturing it. So now I am wondering if I will have a cooling problem due to restricted flow in that area. Removed the rest of the studs, am debating replacing the track. Why did it happen? We have a lot of rail trails which I ride fast(sustained 90+mph) and am guessing that's what caused it. Am not going after Camso . My experience, take it as you like.

 

P.S. I currently have an ice ripper on my 1200 with 13,000 miles and the studs all still look great and sharp.

 

Apparently you can use ST24Rs with single ply Ripsaw I or II tracks. According to Melanie 4 per row (toward the outside, not in the middle) will result in just under 200 for a 137 track. The SS28R goes in the same depth, but is slightly higher which puts it more at risk for bending or being pushed over, so needs to go in a thicker lug. I would have thought that means the Rip II, but I believe Melanie said it was OK for the Rip I but not the II. I just went with the 24s since I am uncertain what track will be on my 2022 Enduro. She also cautioned against letting the screws stick out too far and said they should be flush with the screw top so only the 5mm carbide sticks out. There is info on the patterns to use on facebook: Log into Facebook

 

@NSHM How is it working on your Enduro? Just picked up an Enduro 850 this week (and a second one scheduled to arrive in 2 weeks). Both without the Ice Ripper, but the Ripsaw 1.25". These screw in studs seem like a solution closer to the Ice Ripper. Less weight, easier install, etc. Interested in any feedback. Many thanks.

 

I can see using the screw ins for some added safety reasons on a sled ridden at reasonable trail speeds with occasional icy areas. For performance riding, NO ! Installed an ice storm on my 800X. While it was fun to ride, sideways a lot of the time, they are not any where close to a studded track. They should not be called studs, they're more like scratchers. Compared to studs, they're pretty useless on hard surfaces, ice, tar, concrete, etc. Good luck !