A couple things I can comment on. Enduro has orestudded track GT is not studded but I ended up studding my ice ripper as I wasn't happy with it for safety.
Rear tunnel for me was the big difference Enduro you have options of fuel caddy and tunnel bags etc. GT has nice luggage but wasn't for me. GT has heated seat and is more plush. Enduro can be easily converted to a 2 up and can still have the sporty solo seat if you ride alone at all. GT wasn't for me but the Enduro can be very similar in very little time but accessories have to be added. Both had the fan kit and handle very similar while driving IMO. GT backrest can be adjusted for a solo rider backrest also. I like the more changeable options of the Enduro but everyone has their own needs. I can modify racking on the back for ice fishing was my number 1 decision maker.

 

A couple things I can comment on. Enduro has orestudded track GT is not studded but I ended up studding my ice ripper as I wasn't happy with it for safety.
Rear tunnel for me was the big difference Enduro you have options of fuel caddy and tunnel bags etc. GT has nice luggage but wasn't for me. GT has heated seat and is more plush. Enduro can be easily converted to a 2 up and can still have the sporty solo seat if you ride alone at all. GT wasn't for me but the Enduro can be very similar in very little time but accessories have to be added. Both had the fan kit and handle very similar while driving IMO. GT backrest can be adjusted for a solo rider backrest also. I like the more changeable options of the Enduro but everyone has their own needs. I can modify racking on the back for ice fishing was my number 1 decision maker.

Thanks. I forgot about the fan. I am a tourer and getting about $1500 Canadian in the seat and hard storage is something that interests me. I just noticed that the GT is about 70 lbs heavier too, but that isn't really an issue for me either.

I didn't now you could stud the ice ripper? Any issues?

 

Dont forget the 17 enduro has a heated seat, just saw you guys mentioned it so i thought id throw that in there. All i know is i got i decent ride on a enduro and loved the air shock, its amazing how it can change how your sled handles without stopping

 

I didn't know you could stud the ice ripper either but my dealer said it should not be an issue. I have roughly 2500 miles on it now with zero issues and it feels way safer on the trail. It did void the warranty but warranty doesn't cover injury or damage from loss of traction so it was a no brainier. Hind sight I would have definitely replaced from new with a deeper lug and studs. The 1200 Is an animal if it can hook up.

 

The GT also has foot pads for driver/passenger that keep the front of the foot up. This combined with the seat and handle bar position result in a more relaxed/less aggressive riding position.

Wrt the GT track, I'm sure you can change it but I don't think it is as straight forward as you think. The GT 1" stock track is part of a silent drive system. I have heard that the driver might have twice the number of teeth so if you change the track the driver might need to change as well. My buddy wanted to have the track swapped on delivery and opted not too as there were no deals and he essentially would have had to pay full-up for the new track and installation.

 

I believe for 2017 the GT comes with a 1.25" track

Much cheaper to add a one up seat to the GT than a 2 up to the Enduro.

For some reason the two sleds list different suspension travel as well but know one seems to know if so or why.

 

Enduro has better front shocks also, correct?

 

Hpg plus (enduro) Vs hpg (gt)

 

good pick up on the shocks, I didn't notice that. Just noticed the handlebar is different too. Aluminum with J hooks for the Enduro and bent steel on the GT

 

There may also be other drive train differences between them as the service bulletin re not pulling full rpm resulting in new belt/secondary spring is applicable to the enduro (and other renegades I believe) but not the gt.

 

The GT SE is the best bang for the buck. As long as your not into pounding the bumps nothing rides better and what you get for the price is hard to pass up. We call ours the Goldwing of sleds and just like the Honda Goldwing it handles really well and goes like stink.

I put some km on a 16 Enduro this winter and no offence I really wasn't all that impressed. I thought my 16 X rode better. Could be set up there. To me its just a overpriced Gade that does nothing better. Unless you want to brush new trails with that bumper.

 

I have a GSX now and really like the air shock. Since the only models in the 1200 that come with it are the Enduro and the GT, I have narrowed it down. I have looked at the Enduro up close, but have not seen a GT. I would like to put my eyes on one before I spring check....

 

Go to HB Cycle in Lindsay. They have a demo 16 GT SE. They have not changed.

 

Go to HB Cycle in Lindsay. They have a demo 16 GT SE. They have not changed.

OK, great, they dont list it on their site but I will call them

 

Enduro has better front shocks also, correct?

not sure I would say they are better. You can rebuild them, but they are way stiffer, not something I like. My 2012 GSX SE has 23K on the front shocks (regular HPG's) and they are still going strong and I have never bottomed them out. I do ride hard on occasion. The Enduro's air shock is 50% stiffer than the one on the GT. I put 160 miles on my dealers Enduro demo (bringing it to 330 total) and I found the rear to be a little too stiff, but that may change with a full break in and a linq gas can on the back (I weigh 180 w/o gear) . Snow Tech magazine had a good write up on the Enduro and talked about the new rear suspension calibration. Ski doo wanted a more tough guy image for the Enduro thinking the plush luxury image of the GSX SE hurt sales. I think what hurt sales was the GSX crowd loved their sleds so much, why buy a new one every 2-3 years as well as some not liking the XR. I am thinking of the pro's and con's for the GT over the Enduro for next year.

 

not sure I would say they are better. You can rebuild them, but they are way stiffer, not something I like. My 2012 GSX SE has 23K on the front shocks (regular HPG's) and they are still going strong and I have never bottomed them out. I do ride hard on occasion. The Enduro's air shock is 50% stiffer than the one on the GT. I put 160 miles on my dealers Enduro demo (bringing it to 330 total) and I found the rear to be a little too stiff, but that may change with a full break in and a linq gas can on the back (I weigh 180 w/o gear) . Snow Tech magazine had a good write up on the Enduro and talked about the new rear suspension calibration. Ski doo wanted a more tough guy image for the Enduro thinking the plush luxury image of the GSX SE hurt sales. I think what hurt sales was the GSX crowd loved their sleds so much, why buy a new one every 2-3 years as well as some not liking the XR. I am thinking of the pro's and con's for the GT over the Enduro for next year.

I have been reading the other thread about the suspension being stiff on the enduro. I am probably near 300 lbs with my gear and am very happy with my GSX ride.

Still not sure why the Enduro says Air Ride and the GT says Air Control Suspension ACS?

 

I went the GT route and converted it into what I wanted. Added X front and center shocks and removed all the storage and added std snow flap and linq bag to it. Also bought a WRP seat and now it goes from grand touring to renegade in about 3 minutes. The stock grand touring front shocks stink, you can find X take offs for about 3-400 then just buy a new center X shock for 200 and you're good to go. The 1" track is useless for certain. I swapped to ice ripper but also agree that it needs regular studs too.

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I just double checked the 2017 GT SE comes with a 1.25" track.

http://www.ski-doo.com/content/dam/ski-doo/United-States/MY2017/Documents/Spec-sheets/2017_Grand_Touring_SE_Web.pdf

 

YES MOST ALL IS TRUE BUT I BOUGHT THE 16 GT SE FULL LOAD AND I AM HAPPY..... I AM A OLDER SEMI AGGRESSIVE RIDER and you can always add stuff to your sled..... The 2 sleds are very close in all round performance with a more rider forward position on the enduro , so would handle better in the real tight stuff , but for big miles comfort i go gt se. on another note the 1 inch silent track is ok but there are better and the silent drive does not help because all you hear is the wind noise from that tall windshied ,, it needs a reverse flip on it. 4000km. on so far and its a keeper..

 

biggest differences are shocks and seat.

 

biggest differences are shocks and seat.

So better front shocks on the Enduro and softer seat on the GT?

 

So better front shocks on the Enduro and softer seat on the GT?

I believe all the shocks are a bit "sportier" on the Enduro, and the GT has the 2 piece 2-up touring seat.

 

I found the rear air shock on my enduro was quite a bit stiffer then a gsx or gt. just my opinion, but I was not happy with the ride quality. The enduro is a renegade and not the same as the touring sled . I believe the shocks are a bit stiffer all around. If your looking for the plushest ride over many miles the gt is your best bet.

 

Spent the last 2 weeks cranking the preload on my gtse right front shock. Not really fixing fast left turn... shock is plunging too much & cause instability/uncertainty.

I swapped front shocks, in case my right one got weak some... no difference. This i can feel only when i steel my own ride

It occur to me now that looking at the picture, the muffler & battery at the very edge of right side distort my ride and cause this trouble.... for all XR RAS2 for instance.

I can monkey it at high speed left, but want the precision & assurance as while i do right turn.

Do any of you which own a front set of pro-40 have come to a stiffer clicker setting on compression on the right ? ..or that it is so stiff already that you don't ever feel what i describe above...

.... any case..... i am adding this here so that you know at least one question the GT shocks at this time..

Did not test ride an Enduro but to me the only value added to the front HPG shock is the screw adjustment versus the 5 position settings on the base HPG .... or is it ? ..maybe stiffer valving ?

 

The enduro shock is rebuildable, dont think the gt is but not sure