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Was looking to see if anyone had any input on the Team Tied on the 850's? How was backshift, heat between the two clutches, what springs and helixes worked better? What did you end up with in the primary. Did a search on every forum out there and didn't find anything... Just wondering what people have found. Thanks.
 

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Was looking to see if anyone had any input on the Team Tied on the 850's? How was backshift, heat between the two clutches, what springs and helixes worked better? What did you end up with in the primary. Did a search on every forum out there and didn't find anything... Just wondering what people have found. Thanks.
Not the answer you're looking for but I personally find the stock clutching is pretty good. I cut my clutch cover a bit and it honestly runs a lot cooler. I ran tied on my XP's and XM and worked just the same as my 17 G4........ and I don't remember what I had for weights

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Have had a tied clutch on previous sleds, (still have it, will get a Team shaft to put it on the 850 this summer), Biggest difference is that you won't have to change rollers and helix bolts all the time.

The Tied clutch is as bullet proof as anything on a sled can be, my Tied clutch has around 10 000km on it and is as new still.
 

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Have had a tied clutch on previous sleds, (still have it, will get a Team shaft to put it on the 850 this summer), Biggest difference is that you won't have to change rollers and helix bolts all the time.

The Tied clutch is as bullet proof as anything on a sled can be, my Tied clutch has around 10 000km on it and is as new still.
100%. After having some bad QRS luck(and seen others) I will never use one again. Team has never let me down.
 

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Yes, I've run a Tied on a 07 800R but haven't heard many people using them on the 850's and just seeing if there was any one out there willing to talk about it. I have found that the stock clutching, especially at the lower elevations, is very lack luster. Too much revs and not much happening. I did do quite a bit of testing and trying with the QRS and have lots of time on them but, like mentioned above, the life span on the QRS bushings is crap. After about 700 miles of hard work they are done and the rest of the system falls from there.

I don't think the loss of "overdrive" is a worry for a mountain sled.

Ran a floating clutch on my XP and XM for 5000+ miles and it worked well. Just haven't heard of anyone talking about using a Tied on the 850....
 

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I know people who have tried it on a 850 summit. The recommended setup from team has not changed over the years. It Takes alot of money to "find" the proper helix and spring, Trust me I know.
I gave a recommended setup of mine to a buddy that had customers running tied's, in their 850's, He is Way happier with the results.
The tied is still not worth the money IMO, I have owned a tss04, a tied, and my brother did both as well against my advice, these were on 800's and a 872 trygstad, he went back to the qrs.
The qrs flat out works and works very well when properly setup.
If you want to spice up your 850, give Dynamo joe a call.

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If I already had the "ordinary" Team secondary I wouldn't spend money upgrading to a Tied. I've had both, the difference isn't that dramatic.

But having the "stuck on shaft QRS" I would take any chance I got to go the floating Team direction!

I'm not saying the QRS doesn't work...occasionally.... I'm just saying the Team will work all winter without having to worry about it.

A couple of years ago my GF got her first sled. It was a -10 Renegade 600 (e-tec), with roughly 8k km on the clock. For fun I put on the Tied conversion kit I had since my 154" FR 800-days. Just bolted axle and clutch in using same spring and same helix as for the FR.

The Team clutch had at the time roughly 2k km more on it than the QRS I took off.

....I think I doubled the track hp. Track speed off trail upped 20km/h and packed trail accelereration felt brutal in comparison.

A new QRS might have had the same effect, but a TEAM that had 2k km MORE on it did this to the Renegade....
 

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Yes, I've run a Tied on a 07 800R but haven't heard many people using them on the 850's and just seeing if there was any one out there willing to talk about it. I have found that the stock clutching, especially at the lower elevations, is very lack luster. Too much revs and not much happening. I did do quite a bit of testing and trying with the QRS and have lots of time on them but, like mentioned above, the life span on the QRS bushings is crap. After about 700 miles of hard work they are done and the rest of the system falls from there.

I don't think the loss of "overdrive" is a worry for a mountain sled.

Ran a floating clutch on my XP and XM for 5000+ miles and it worked well. Just haven't heard of anyone talking about using a Tied on the 850....
I don't feel like it's needed on the 850's. I agree I loved tieds on my 08, 09, and 13. It definitely "woke them up" the engagement was a little stronger then originally and definitely helped with "rip my arms off" feel aka torque. Now a properly setup 850 is a different story. With the correct clutching you can definitely get some added performance out of the 850. So the verdict is....no the team tied is not needed on the 850 unless maybe you are having some serious belt issues

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Thanks for the replies. The reason this is coming up is because I have had, what I feel, is less than good performance and consistent performance from the QRS set up. I have tried several clutch kits and setups to try and better the ride. Some have helped to have better engagement, better overall shifting, but belt temps (while lower than what I started with) are still not where I feel they should be. But mainly I find that the bushings in the QRS have too short of a life. I put 1200 miles of mountain/boondock riding on last year and had to replace the bushings twice because they were getting sloppy. Just trying to see what others had run into with the Tied because I can get a kit from a friend that sold the sled he had it in but it's set up for a Rene so helix and springs will have to change if I do it. Thanks again for the input and insights.
 

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Thanks for the replies. The reason this is coming up is because I have had, what I feel, is less than good performance and consistent performance from the QRS set up. I have tried several clutch kits and setups to try and better the ride. Some have helped to have better engagement, better overall shifting, but belt temps (while lower than what I started with) are still not where I feel they should be. But mainly I find that the bushings in the QRS have too short of a life. I put 1200 miles of mountain/boondock riding on last year and had to replace the bushings twice because they were getting sloppy. Just trying to see what others had run into with the Tied because I can get a kit from a friend that sold the sled he had it in but it's set up for a Rene so helix and springs will have to change if I do it. Thanks again for the input and insights.
Another to note is it also helps to open up that clutch cover. I was extremely lucky with my 17 and that it never had any of the problems (besides the stupid Chinese drive chain continually stretching) and I never blew up a belt. I cut a small portion of the clutch cover off at the very bottom cause it was such a b!tch to take off. I also pulled all of the plastic shields out and all that helped

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Finally ordered the TEAM-shaft, got it off E-bay. Hopefully the 1-2 months, (!?!?!?!?), expected delivery time turns out to be wrong!

So soon, (hopefully), I can upgrade my lynx by bolting in the ten years old Team Tied I have on the shop shelf :)

That´s another thing wrong with the QRS when i think of it. Storing the moronic contraption whit that stupid fixed axle is a pain. It takes up 3x the space in she shop shelves than a separate clutch and axle.
 

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To me the team secondary is a superb unit itself. It is the most close one can get to the Paragon secondary clutch, with the advantage of weight and compact size over a Paragon, but not lower sheave temperatures like a Paragon can from its rigid parallel bushing placement.

The team helix angle product guide is a brilliant business plan. It induces a secondary clutch owner to buy, on-average about 4 helix before they "Settle" ….notice how I use the word "settle" on sticking with one helix because they are tired of testing. One helix that comes in the secondary, then 3 more helix purchases within the next 2 seasons when you throw in the towel. "4 strikes...yer out!"
I call it "Team-itis" like tendonitis. Or Teamilepsy….like epilepsy, hahaha.

Average customer is in team for a throw-in-the-towel price of $1200 USD (kit @ 700USD, 3 more helixes (90 a pop), shipping, taxes, duties, time/effort/energy...etc)

Great secondary clutch. My opinion is if you want full potential out of it, you have to make your own custom helix angles for your application. I think right now there's 97 variations for the Tss-04 version. Theres so many to choose from, one gets lost in all the numbers.....
 

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In my testing with the Team Tied on Skidoo product.
1st: as Joe said you end up with a small fortune in parts that "might" get used once. Since Team Industries is no help.

2nd: clutch cover has to get modified to even fit/ possible no clutch cover. Which also means find a new place to carry a spare belt.

3rd: probably the worst of it, due to the center hub diameter on the Tied VS the QRS, coupled with the short center to center skidoo runs for belt length, the belt runs / drags over the TIED center hub. I have one with the rubber skid marks still on it from the last time I was ambitious enough to dive into that mess again.

They do not offer stiff enough springs to hold back the shift. Nor enough helix to stop that, yet still have a functional clutch.

So that leaves a complete gear up change as the only option to stop the belt dragging over the center hub.

Which now alters how the Summit functions in the conditions that it was designed for. Along with no net gain in belt temp decrease due to the taller gearing.

In my opinion the Tied has more issues than it solves at least on a skidoo.

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In my testing with the Team Tied on Skidoo product.
1st: as Joe said you end up with a small fortune in parts that "might" get used once. Since Team Industries is no help.

2nd: clutch cover has to get modified to even fit/ possible no clutch cover. Which also means find a new place to carry a spare belt.

3rd: probably the worst of it, due to the center hub diameter on the Tied VS the QRS, coupled with the short center to center skidoo runs for belt length, the belt runs / drags over the TIED center hub. I have one with the rubber skid marks still on it from the last time I was ambitious enough to dive into that mess again.

They do not offer stiff enough springs to hold back the shift. Nor enough helix to stop that, yet still have a functional clutch.

So that leaves a complete gear up change as the only option to stop the belt dragging over the center hub.

Which now alters how the Summit functions in the conditions that it was designed for. Along with no net gain in belt temp decrease due to the taller gearing.

In my opinion the Tied has more issues than it solves at least on a skidoo.

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My findings as well. Ive done a Tss-04 and a tied on my xp's. I never found the duration helixs very good and definitely not the straight cuts.

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