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Well they stole a tractor trailer full of maple syrop about 18-24 months ago. It was the real QC maple syrop that sells for insane prices in the usa.
That's a heavy cargo load, not to mention rather unstable (tippy).
They eventually found the truck but it took close to a year to find it. Who would have thought maple syrop would be considered contraband enough to get stolen. I can't remember the exact
value of the maple syrop shipment but you could have bought a dozen or more skandics with its value.
You have to laugh a little at theses antics. The shipment was so 'hot' (as in looked for) that they didn't dare move any of it.
Never heard of your maple syrup we have our own here in Maine and Vermont is probably the number one... So it's still doesn't answer my question of any news articles of the tractor trailer of snowmobiles being stolen...
 

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A little more information. Talking with the dealership. It was 2 full trucks that have vanished. Dealer said 100 units destined for Fort Frances, Dryden, Red Lake, and Thunder Bay.

At this point as Doug said, I’m not destitute for a snowmobile this season. I have 3. The SWT was just going to compliment the fleet. As for having to wait for a 2022/23 season unit. I’m not too butt hurt about it. We’ll crack on and order another one in March 2022.


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Yeah. The math is not working out here. I am not sure how many snowmobiles you get can get on a flatbed trailer, but 50 seems excessive. My guess is you would be lucky to get half that. So the claim of 100 sleds missing in 2 truckloads seems a bit exaggerated to me. I have no doubt something happened to your sled, but the scale of the "heist" is what I am questioning.

Regardless. Glad you are taking it so well and BRP is stepping up to ease your pain.
 

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Yeah. The math is not working out here. I am not sure how many snowmobiles you get can get on a flatbed trailer, but 50 seems excessive. My guess is you would be lucky to get half that. So the claim of 100 sleds missing in 2 truckloads seems a bit exaggerated to me. I have no doubt something happened to your sled, but the scale of the "heist" is what I am questioning.

Regardless. Glad you are taking it so well and BRP is stepping up to ease your pain.
Just what I was told by the dealer. I’ve got no idea how many crates they fit to a truck. Our dealer lost 15 sleds alone. Can’t speak to the other dealerships.

I agree on the 2022 pricing for 2023!!!!

BRP is likely keeping this quiet in hopes of the machines turning up so no media releases until after some time goes by likely to let investigators work any leads. If it is in fact 100 units. That could be up to 2M (edited) depending on models taken etc.


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A few things -

a) Check the math on the damage. It's not 200k...it's 2 Mil! That's a lot of missing sled. But, I do agree (and a quick google search confirms) that it's more like 25 sleds per truck, not 50.
b) Two whole trucks disappeared?! Wow. That's some fast and furious ****. I hope they recover the sleds for sure...but more than that, I hope the drivers are OK. Don't want to think about how you make an 18 wheeler disappear but, assuming the driver wasn't in on it, it can't have been pleasant for them.
c) With the significant demand for sleds this year and corresponding increase in theft...aren't people worried that DESS keys aren't included on a huge number sleds being delivered?
d) Insurance rates are going to skyrocket :'(
e) I think I'll be riding closer to home until I see how theft trends for the year. If all of a sudden thefts explode up in Northern Ontario...that would really suck. My sled isn't brand new by any stretch, but it's new enough to be a target, and I have a lot of money into it.
 

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A few things -

a) Check the math on the damage. It's not 200k...it's 2 Mil! That's a lot of missing sled. But, I do agree (and a quick google search confirms) that it's more like 25 sleds per truck, not 50.
b) Two whole trucks disappeared?! Wow. That's some fast and furious ****. I hope they recover the sleds for sure...but more than that, I hope the drivers are OK. Don't want to think about how you make an 18 wheeler disappear but, assuming the driver wasn't in on it, it can't have been pleasant for them.
c) With the significant demand for sleds this year and corresponding increase in theft...aren't people worried that DESS keys aren't included on a huge number sleds being delivered?
d) Insurance rates are going to skyrocket :'(
e) I think I'll be riding closer to home until I see how theft trends for the year. If all of a sudden thefts explode up in Northern Ontario...that would really suck. My sled isn't brand new by any stretch, but it's new enough to be a target, and I have a lot of money into it.
I find it funny that people are so concerned about sleds getting stolen because of the dess keys. There's a ton of other sleds out there that don't have a programmable tether that don't get stolen.
 

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Again, you have to assume these sleds are now overseas. They're gone and no longer exist in North America. Tony Soprano put them on a boat headed for the Ukraine a month ago. :)
 

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On a standard 18 wheeler float (45 feet) it's an average of 22 sleds plus components You can have up to 26 sled crates if you don't have a lift and gear along for the ride. I checked with a couple local dealers btw.
Although the pandemic situation is making a mess of shipping. So tbh any number will likely be correct even only five sleds in same cases with other parts taking up the other half of the float.
There are five ski-doo/brp dealerships in my region so that to will effect how many per load. Since sending only five sleds a week is a waste of money not to mention just who gets priority is getting to be a touchy subject among the dealerships.. Sleds, ovens or photocopiers it doesn't matter.

I've recently seen both polaris and skidoo on the same float. A few can-am sxs with a load of steel pipes on the back of a float. Looks like it's expanded general contracted transports, the regular brp transporters no longer seem to be held on retainer.
Normally brp pushes sales quotas on dealerships but now it's the dealerships that are pressing brp to keep up their end of the bargain. More used sleds sold than new ones atm and the only way they can make ends meet.

Yeah. The math is not working out here. I am not sure how many snowmobiles you get can get on a flatbed trailer, but 50 seems excessive. My guess is you would be lucky to get half that. So the claim of 100 sleds missing in 2 truckloads seems a bit exaggerated to me. I have no doubt something happened to your sled, but the scale of the "heist" is what I am questioning.

Regardless. Glad you are taking it so well and BRP is stepping up to ease your pain.
 

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You hit the nail on the head with your comments Samoyed. Our dealer is pissed it lost 15 units. They also expressed displeasure by how BRP is handling the situation. I first found out about the theft from my neighbor that heard it through the grape vine. I reached out to a mechanic friend at the dealer to see if there was any truth to the rumor. It took 6 hours from that for me to get a call from a call center about the loss of my snow check. Perhaps BRP will elect to do more, perhaps not….. all I know is that there’s going to be some very upset consumers who decided to snow check to guarantee a sled for this season….. guess we can’t count on that anymore……


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My 2022 Expy LE was also stolen. I don't have a sled other than an 85 safari and it's not going outside of the yard let alone hitting lakes.

BRP called me last week and didn't leave a contact number and I just got ahold of a rep yesterday. I had to call the 1800 number to escalate a callback. Too late there are only backcountry, renegade and summits left and couldn't guarantee a delivery date. I'm trying to find something local otherwise might go used this year. Undecided if I'll spring check based on their $500 offer.
 

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For those that lost a snow check, I would work out some math for Ski-Doo to attribute your loss in dollars. Such as:
  • Cost of used or ditch banger to get through the season
  • Cost of cancellation of planned trips / lodging
  • Cost of having to rent sleds
 

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Perhaps in the USA that would be feasible but not the rest of the world.
Right now there are no working used sleds left.
BRP wouldn't be held responsible for lodging since there are other means to get to the lodge.
Free sled rental when you need the sled is a good offer. However kind of worthless since they can't even get a sled to rent out.
The dealerships could provide a kind of local sled taxi service. We've done that here.


For those that lost a snow check, I would work out some math for Ski-Doo to attribute your loss in dollars. Such as:
  • Cost of used or ditch banger to get through the season
  • Cost of cancellation of planned trips / lodging
  • Cost of having to rent sleds
 

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One could try to haggle a set of atv tracks from brp for the time being. They do keep used sets in stock for rent.
Yes i realize it's more work to install but it is an option if you need a sled but can't find one.
 

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Perhaps in the USA that would be feasible but not the rest of the world.
Right now there are no working used sleds left.
BRP wouldn't be held responsible for lodging since there are other means to get to the lodge.
Free sled rental when you need the sled is a good offer. However kind of worthless since they can't even get a sled to rent out.
The dealerships could provide a kind of local sled taxi service. We've done that here.
I'm not saying to itemize and give BRP a number, I'm saying to be ready with a reasonable counter offer based on circumstances. $500 per customer from BRP is a pretty big FU to loyal buyers.
 

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About five years ago the power sports deliver transports had an escort following them or inside the transport. It was usually one of the dealership employees that went down to do all the paperwork for the region. It usually took a couple days to get things in order then they headed back here. I guess they don't do that any longer either.
It's odd that when i get my shipments of Irbis dingo and Buran (small sleds and snow dog like units) They are tracked constantly and i've gone twice as an escort over the years. Even if it cost me about 200$ in fuel it's more than worth it for the peace of mind alone.

You hit the nail on the head with your comments Samoyed. Our dealer is pissed it lost 15 units. They also expressed displeasure by how BRP is handling the situation. I first found out about the theft from my neighbor that heard it through the grape vine. I reached out to a mechanic friend at the dealer to see if there was any truth to the rumor. It took 6 hours from that for me to get a call from a call center about the loss of my snow check. Perhaps BRP will elect to do more, perhaps not….. all I know is that there’s going to be some very upset consumers who decided to snow check to guarantee a sled for this season….. guess we can’t count on that anymore……



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All great ideas guys. The reality though is BRP will only do the minimum they have go to guarantee their market share. The thing that hurt me the most was having to explain to my teenage boys that their new sled for this season was pilfered in transit. I still can’t fathom how that even happens….. let alone the number of machines that are apparently gone.

I was offered a EXPY with a 600r etec. In place of my snow check. I don’t want another 20” sled. I wanted the 24” for some heavy hauling projects. I also didn’t want a 2 stroke sled because of the kind of miles we put on in a season. Not much we can do now.

My wish list for next year is to snow check another SWT, get any accessory I want added to the build for free…. And be guaranteed delivery….. because that’s the whole point of snow check IMO.


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The only other option i can suggest is to look at the Yamaha vk540v. It does have improved fuel economy (on trail) over the mk4 . However it's the only other viable deep snow workhorse left on the market. Even if it is a 20: WT and a two stroke. At least it comes with a pull start and can go roughly 110KM/h with one rider.
You can add a primer to it and it starts better than an efi.


All great ideas guys. The reality though is BRP will only do the minimum they have go to guarantee their market share. The thing that hurt me the most was having to explain to my teenage boys that their new sled for this season was pilfered in transit. I still can’t fathom how that even happens….. let alone the number of machines that are apparently gone.

I was offered a EXPY with a 600r etec. In place of my snow check. I don’t want another 20” sled. I wanted the 24” for some heavy hauling projects. I also didn’t want a 2 stroke sled because of the kind of miles we put on in a season. Not much we can do now.

My wish list for next year is to snow check another SWT, get any accessory I want added to the build for free…. And be guaranteed delivery….. because that’s the whole point of snow check IMO.


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I don't think that Stels has their Viking-ii in Canada yet, they do have the Vityas model but that's just a expedition wt with a v800 4-stroke in it.

The Stels viking-II is a skandic swt v800.

It might not be worth spending to time to look it up but if it comes to it, it could be an option. No one else makes swt for the retail market. Several for the commercial market yes.
You need to become a dealer!! I’ve researched STELS. They’re definitely some up and coming competition to BRP. Since none of the other sled makers are. I’d like to put their ERMAK to the test!!


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I had to remake my previous comment (site error) so i added info about the Yamaha VK540v. If you care to re-read it.

You need to become a dealer!! I’ve researched STELS. They’re definitely some up and coming competition to BRP. Since none of the other sled makers are. I’d like to put their ERMAK to the test!!


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I imagine everyone wants whatever they want and for the dealer to offer a different sled is ridiculous. The dealer will just have to eat it unless they have theft insurance that will cover all that loss.
 
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