ST weight comparo

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yellowjacket

Discussion Starter · 30 d ago

Interesting, I guess Doos are pretty heavy after all.

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yellowjacket

Discussion Starter · #21 · 28 d ago

The XR 1200 120 was pretty light compared to today's sleds.

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Max Sled 2009 Sled Weight Reprise - MaxSled.com Snowmobile Magazine

It’s important to some people, to others it’s not that big a deal, but how much sleds weigh seems to come up every year. Depending what manufacturer you are, it also comes up in its marketing campaigns. Even that has changed over the recent years, but things can be deceiving. Published dry...

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one ton fun

· #22 · 28 d ago

Hodgric said:
The Sidewinder is actually an LTX LE, with Kashima piggy back shocks all around and EPS....they were wrong in the description, but corrected it on the chart at the end of the video. So its definitely NOT the lightest Sidewinder by any means. I'm willing to bet the sidewinder weighs less than 900R....ANY 900R, not just the XRS. Very eye-opening!

I thought it was an SE because he said it was, but you are correct.

My Sidewinder is a 129 RTX SE. I don’t care what any magazine says, I know it is substantially heavier than my wife’s Renegade Adrenaline 900T. You can feel it on the trail and you can feel it in the garage.

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Baron

· #23 · 27 d ago

This right here is why I always support people trying lighten their sled. You want to talk about how easy a sled is to ride, and how much more composed it can be when it’s suspension is trying to settle and control less weight, and brakes are working to slow down a larger mass… that’s what less weight brings to the table. Think about it people, when you go putt around trails for 50 miles and have a tool kit, a weeks worth of supplies and 4 gallons of gas on the tunnel (high up and at the end of you sled). That’s a lot of extra weight and leverage. I am interested to see how that new Cat stacks up in this comparison.

Alatalo

· #24 · 27 d ago (Edited)

Rotax! said:
I dont think ST is lying. I think DOO has always lied about their weights and have for years.

And I think the complete opposite…

Again, Sno West put a number of fully fueled, fully oiled, ready-to-ride deep and steep machines on the scale. The Summit Expert 154” came out as 520 lbs. My calculation based on the workshop manual says it carries 90 lbs of fluids. This means the dry weight should be 430 lbs. And that’s exactly the dry weight stated in the online brochure as well as the Summit Expert operators manual.

No clue what Snowtrax do when they claim more than 150 lbs difference between a dry and a wet Renegade. This sounds suspicious and I personally think it’s complete BS. The only differences in fluids carried - compared to the Summit Expert - should be the shock absorbers and a tiny bit bigger heat exchanger. Because of this, the additional fluids of the Renegade should be just a few lbs. A number nowhere freakin’ near 60 lbs…!

The numbers from Sno West indicate there is nothing fishy about Ski-Doo's stated dry weight regarding the Summit Expert, in a market where weight means everything...So why would they suddenly be lying about the Renegade, in a market where weight is nowhere near as important as in the deep and steep...?

Then again, we all know Snowtrax have got bit of a hidden agenda, so I would not trust anything that comes from them. I would not be surprised if their ”wet numbers” include couple fully fueled Linq-jugs, the fully packed Hot Dogger they forgot after the last ride and a skid fully packed with snow...on some models but not all models…

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ateick

· #25 · 26 d ago

Not sure why Snowtraks would cheat and lie to an audience that can fact check them for the price of a $50 1000lbs scale from Amazon and a block and tackle. It's one thing for them to have an opinion that you think is somehow biased but a weight?

I don't have mine yet or I might do just that - throw it on a scale. Anyone else wanna volunteer? I'm a lot less trusting of any of these manufacturers than I am by a tv program sponsored by 3 of them.

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sno_mo_racer

· #26 · 26 d ago

FYI, my ‘22 VR1 850 137”/w estart, air shipping weight was 236kg/520lbs. That was just the sled with full oil/ antifreeze, empty gas tank. Was just add gas and ready to ride.

RenegadeX900R

· #27 · 26 d ago

Something isn't right here. Amsnow shoot-out weights (2022 sleds)had an 850 Renegade (137) at approx. 100 lbs lighter than a Thundercat. No way a short track Bilzzard 850 (129) is only 40 lbs lighter than a Sidewinder. Amsnow had the Renegade at 550 lbs with 5 gallons of gas. Add 27 lbs for an additional 4.5 gallons gives you 577 lbs. No way a short track 850 Blizzard at 627 lbs (Snowtrax) is 50 lbs heavier than a long track Renegade 850.

Snowgames

· #28 · 26 d ago

RenegadeX900R said:
Something isn't right here. Amsnow shoot-out weights (2022 sleds)had an 850 Renegade (137) at approx. 100 lbs lighter than a Thundercat. No way a short track Bilzzard 850 (129) is only 40 lbs lighter than a Sidewinder. Amsnow had the Renegade at 550 lbs with 5 gallons of gas. Add 27 lbs for an additional 4.5 gallons gives you 577 lbs. No way a short track 850 Blizzard at 627 lbs (Snowtrax) is 50 lbs heavier than a long track Renegade 850.

Agreed. Something isn’t adding up. I have a short track Blizzard 850. It’s light. Whether on the trails, moving it around the garage, or shifting it in the trailer it’s a joke compared to my Mach Z. It may not be 100 lbs lighter but sure seems to be. I also ride with two guys who have Sidewinders. Helped moved their sleds many times. Zero chance they are only 40 lbs heavier than my Blizzard. Zero!

mile9c1

· #29 · 26 d ago

Was the Amsnow 850 and XRS and did it have smart shocks and 10" display? That was also G4 vs G5 for the 2023 XRS; I'm guessing G5 is heavier in general.

Alatalo

· #30 · 26 d ago

If it has a battery it's indeed another 4-5 lbs wet weight compared to the Summit Expert (based on the approximate fluid volume of the battery). So let's say the Renegade carries ~ 100 lbs of various fluids, instead of 90 lbs in the case of the Summit Expert.

Still pretty far from 150 lbs...

tnt5150

· #31 · 26 d ago

The best way to reduce the total weight is with yourself.

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Wiexpress

· #32 · 26 d ago

Pretty interesting and good assortment of sleds. Damn the xrs with smart shox is a fatty!

mile9c1

· #33 · 26 d ago

www.dootalk.com

ST weight comparo

Interesting, I guess Doos are pretty heavy after all.

www.dootalk.com

www.dootalk.com

Snowgames

· #34 · 25 d ago

mile9c1 said:
ST weight comparo

Interesting, I guess Doos are pretty heavy after all.

www.dootalk.com

There is already a long thread on this issue. Lots of questions about the numbers.

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Wiexpress

· #35 · 25 d ago

My bad, don't know how I missed that

Baron

· #36 · 25 d ago

tnt5150 said:
The best way to reduce the total weight is with yourself.

This take is false. A snowmobile that weighs less is easier to maneuver, easier to stop, and goes quicker. Sure smaller payload brings the gross weight down. But ANYONE that rides a lighter sled will have a better experience. When I hear reduce your own weight, I think that needs to come from cargo. Bags, fuel, oil, tools, bumpers, lights, all this adds weight that negatively impacts the performance and rideability of the snowmobile.

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Dano89

· #37 · 25 d ago

snakebite said:
Great to see the real numbers, crazy the differences between the top 2 brands and Polaris has 2 gallon bigger tank.

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another note would be that most of the poos would have a posted OEM dry weight without E-start as it is an option in most of their lineup.

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SShooterZ

· #38 · 25 d ago

I think people perceive weight differences in sleds based on effort to move them. That maybe doesn’t take into account motor placement (leverage) in said chassis and/or how the suspension helps with different weight distributions. (You ever notice how easy it is to lift up the rear end until you’re lifting it all the way off the ground?) If indeed these sleds were all weighed in the same manner, it’s difficult to argue the results with anecdotal experiences unless someone was actually weighing them as well and comparing results.

mile9c1

· #39 · 25 d ago

Dano89 said:
another note would be that most of the poos would have a posted OEM dry weight without E-start as it is an option in most of their lineup.

Good point. The 650 SP Indy has e-start stock. Only 65 pounds difference when wet which isn't even 1 tank of gas. The dry weights are estimates of course.

_leo_

· #40 · 24 d ago

mile9c1 said:
Was the Amsnow 850 and XRS and did it have smart shocks and 10" display? That was also G4 vs G5 for the 2023 XRS; I'm guessing G5 is heavier in general.

Probably, with all the sound deadening material they added to it to make it feel and sound more refined. But that's an easy tare out if anyone wanted to save the weight, but an extra 50lbs, unless they soaked the foam in water and it didn't dry out. It's hard to believe IMO

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