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I'm starting this thread as general log, B.S. spot and my personal opinions and impressions with my 2019 renegade 900 N/A. 165 miles so far.

I'm coming off a 2010 renegade 600etec. Excellent sled, best sled ive ever owned. Put close to 2,000 miles on it. Everyone who rides it loves it regardless of age size or weight. Its an easy sled to ride, steer, ride easy or ride aggressivley. I'll wager it stays in the "friends circle" some how. Probably have to wait till fall when people start thinking about sleds again.

My experience with newer sleds (2008-up) is limited. I have ridden and owned a ton of older stuff. Newest sled i've been on besides this is a 2014 F5. What a TURD. Also demoed some 4 stroke yamahas back in the day (2010?) on a lake when they went all 4T. I'll never own an arctic choke or yamihaha in my life.

#1: If because the G4 4 strokes are only offered in a 137" sled DO NOT LET THIS KEEP YOU FROM GETTING A G4!

I like short tracks better. I would prefer this sled in a 129. I bought it for the engine more than anything. I can not tell it has a 137" track at all. Its clear from the first 10 miles, the chassis is designed around a 137" and longer track. I've never ridden an XS sled, however, on my XP I can tell that extra track is back there. Not the case with the G4.

#2: Its a cold ride. I typically have hot feet, even in -10*F on my XP and even worse in the '03-'07 revs. My feet never got hot on the G4. Also I like that the toe holds are open and I can move around more. The wider more aggressive rails also suit me better than my XP. The wind from mid body-up is pretty brutal. However my cold guards work/mount better on this sled than my XP.

#3: The fact that this thing needs a windshield, mirrors, wind diflectors, heated shield plug and 12v plug kind of irritates me. This is basic stuff. The windshield I get, because different riders have different wants/tastes. But the lack of a heated shield plug and panel mounted wind diflectors kind of irritates me. A 12v outlet, shield plug and mirrors should be standard on every sled IMHO. Its safety related stuff.

#4: Its heavy. I notice the weight when off trail. Got stuck once and I could barely left the rear skid up. Never had that problem on my old stuff. Maybe the weight is better balanced on this sled? I havent even tried to lift the front yet.

#5: 5.7 pilot skis with the factory 4" carbide rock on this thing on the trail. I plan to move the factory carbides to the outside and install some 6" down the center with some navigators. Can anyone recommend a carbide? I know there is a good 5.7 pilot recipe floating all over around here.

#6: I need to do some suspension tweaking. Ive bottomed it out a few times already and the steering is pretty heavy compared to what i'm used to. I'll pass judgement on this until I get it tuned in more.

#7: Box stock no one or any sled in my group will touch me on a trail in this thing. It's so fast and I dont even have to work at it to go fast. I can sit back and lean a little and just fly. I notice less standing up over whoops and bumps compared to my XP. However my XP is due for skid shock rebuilds.

#8: power. I'm in self inflicted eco mode until break in is complete. Its pretty surprising for "95hp."

Any ricky racer wanna-be who says the 900 doesnt have the power or isnt fast enough (compared to a 600) is a D-bag. Its so quiet most morons probably dont realize the ground speed. Its crept up on me more than a few times already. I drive truck on the side a fair amount and ground speed (visual/seat of the pants) is important because you cant be looking at guages when your loaded navigating traffic. I'm not the most experienced but I know it well enough that this 900 ace flys compared to my 600 up to 65mph. Ill add more opinions once shes broken in.

#9: ITC. Anyone who complains about it, learn how to control a throttle.

#10: 18mpg riding more aggressivley than I should be during break-in. I will give her a steady 93 diet unless 93/91 isnt available. Then I wont worry if it isnt!

#11: Noise. The quietness is a big part of why I purchased this sled. I like to see wildlife out in the bush and on the trails. Well, its so quiet I ran across 15+ deer on my last ride. 1 almost hit me. 30+ turkeys. 1 very large raven? or Hawk? Rabbits and a opossium. The deer just stand there and stare. On a 2T they would be out of sight before you got close. I'll have to watch for wildlife more now because its so quiet

#12: Oil change looks super simple. No removal of exhaust needed. Belt is super simple. Havent played with the air box yet. Exhaust manifold is a "log" type and looks like improvement is easy. WAYYY more room under the panels than a XP or XS. I can adjust the valves in the sled when the time comes, at least it looks that way.

#13: Storage is good with the box and compartment under the seat. Surprising for BRP.

Can wait to ride it again!
 

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I'll respond without quotes.

I'll have to wait till next season for more suspension and carbide changes. We are gonna put on some miles this weekend.

I doubt the 900 will come in a 129" g4, ever. Others have stated it here and i'm going to re-affirm their guesses, I doubt it too. G4 137" flat out works.

I like the colder feet, as most sleds are hot on my feet. But i also wear wool socks with baffin boots.

Good to hear the 900 is hydraulic, I had no idea.

I'll keep her in eco mode and try to take her easy(er) at least for 4/500 miles. I want it to last. I purchased a new 4 wheeler that I heat cycled and broke in properly. Bud with the same machine was always 1-2 lengths behind me. Swap riders and same results. I believe in heat cycles and break-in. I heat cycled this one 4 times, tech at the dealer was really cool and did the first one for me and agreed with me.

Doo offers 2 adjustible windshields for the G4. Med-high and high-ultra high. I purchased the med-high adj., diflectors and mirrors. Once I recieve and install them I will take some measurements for you guys for height.

Current suspension set-up is box stock, coupler blocks at 3. I might try bumping the front spring up 1-2 positions this sat. on our ride and see how she goes.
 

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I need to figure out where my stupid 3"x5" registration sticker is going to go. It looks so clean now and that big dumb sticker is going to ruin my nice sicker free sled.

First thing I did was remove stickers before I rode it.

Oh and the BRP knee pads only work in 3 positions. The reverse lever interferes with one of the right side pads. I trimmed it to fit.
 

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Do some research on 4 stroke break in. Majority will say an easy break in is not what you want. At this point it won't really matter though.
I'm all ears. Please share. I'm an experienced tech as well so id genuinely like to hear.

Typical dyno break-ins for 4 stroke 4/6/8/10 cyl engines usually are varying loads under 60% at varying throttle openings for a set amount of time. 1-4hrs is common but as low as 30 min. in some instances.
 

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With modern machining and metals/engineering that method can work as well. However 100% load and 100% throttle still isnt a good idea imho.

At the end of the day if its gonna blow its gonna blow or if its gonna live its gonna live. Do what you wish.

I'm just glad I made the right decision with my purchase based heavily on research here. Just hope I can give my views to others so they can decide for themselves. My big selling points were quietness and longevity and not buying oil. I think thats why most people go 4 stroke. Its nice to see the performance and reliability doesnt need to be lost to have what you want.
 

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I have the mid-high shield, diflectors and mirrors on their way. I also noticed a post by someone on here who mentioned a koso temp guage. I will be ordering one of those as well.

I'm 5'9" So I hope it will work well for me. The kid at the dealer said its fine and that unless your really tall all his customers have been happy with the med-high shield. He also said that the G4 windshields are tricky to size for the rider because they lean back so much. Not as straight forward as the older sleds to select a shield.

Bit of a rant... I'm getting really tired of all the "you wont like the 900, its not as fast as the 600 2T" or "900 doesnt handle as good as the 600" comments around here. G4 to G4 600 vs. 900 n/a I'm sure theres no comparison. However 900 n/a vs. xp/xs 600etec they are about the same, if not an edge to the 900 0-60. I'll have to do some pulls. Bud (no oil artie) has a really good running 100% stock '04 500ss. His sled feels faster (seat of the pants) than my '10 etec. Were riding sat.
 

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For someone who asked previously. Approximate overall height with adjustable windshield all the way down is 49/50" With shield up high its about 55".

Rode 140 miles sat. Did some longish WOT runs and let her idle down for 1-2 min. Then did at again. Started to get that burning "break-in" smell again.

Saw 90 on the speedo in lots of slush and mess. She needs 25/49 gearing IMHO.

Got repeated compliments and questions from people all day on specifically the 900 N/A. Perfect sled for me.

Raced buds stock, strong running and studded 2004 500ss. Dig, slow roll, 50 roll. No comparison. 900na stomps it everywhere every time. Top speed out on the lake he might get me but we'd need 1/2 a mile or more for him to catch up. I'll race my 2010 etec. next season. I think the results will be similar. As ive stated before all the wanna-be's on here think the 900n/a is slow because its quiet. Clearly the 900n/a holds its own in the 600 2t class.

HemiChallenger-did you notice the heated shield/visor jack located just to the right of the Eco/standard/Sport mode switch?

I just picked up a low mileage '19 900NA today. My first 137" sled so we'll see how it goes next winter.
Unless i'm blind, I didnt notice that on my sled.
 

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I forgot to add; I threw some BRP #: 860201043 5" carbides on my skis last minute before my saturday ride. Night and day difference to the stockers. Less darting, lighter in the bars. I still need to put the stockers on the outside of my skis. I plan on trying a few differnent carbides next season.
 

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The visor power jack has a black cap over it, I didn't noticed it until I got home with the sled. It is shown in the owner's manual also so it is a standard item. (At first I thought the previous owner may have added it.)

About your adjustable windshield, that is the medium to high model? So in the lowest position it would be the same as the original windshield that came with your sled?
Hopefully i'm and idiot and my sled has it. I'll have to check once I get back into my storage. I just stuffed it in today.

Yes I went with the med-high adj. screen. And yes its about the same height as the med. stocker in the low position. Another poster in this thread was concerned about screen heights for his trailer so I wanted to post the height for him.
 

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Dave in WI was the poster. Hopefully that answered his questions. Really happy with my '19 900 n/a. I think its one of the best all-around sleds on the market. power, mpg, price etc. Hard to beat IMHO. I dont need top performance but the 900 fills the 600 2t gap well and then some. If you want to buy one sled and ride it 25K miles and not worry about much it seems the way to go. I've had 10+ 2 stroke sleds and this thing works well for me. Did I mention all the wildlife I see? Worth every penny. Even leading groups, they make comments " your rode right up to those deer." Thats worth it to me alone.
 

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I have the wind diflectors, full skid plate, heated helmet plug, adj. med-high windshield and koso temp gauge. Probably wont have it all installed till next season. Gotta concentrate on building a barn now.

What other accessories are 900 g4 owners installing and liking?
 

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Did some work on My 900 today. Skid plate, stock carbides on outside and mirrors. My koso temp gauge will be a PITA to install. Considering the $170 premium guages.

Lots of room for improvement on the exhaust it looks like. The stock muffler is easily 25-30lbs. I couldnt believe it when I lifted it up.
 

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I had the dealer "activate" the temp gauge in my adrenaline 900t. I'm assuming the 900na would be the same. Once activated you cycle to the total mileage odometer and hold the S button and your fuel gauge changes to temp gauge.

Was free for me and no need for the premium gauge.
Thank you. Of course I price shopped and drove a little further to get mine (well worth it at the end of the season). I guess I'll try and see if it works first. If not I'll call the dealer where I purchased. Even if I have to pay its probably worth it.

Even though I price shopped I was actually really happy with the dealer I went with. Will probably go back there for other machines in the future. Salesman was, well, a salesman. But the office, parts, manager and service people were really knowledgeable no B.S. people. I appreciate that.
 

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I upgraded my sons sled from a 14 900 to a 19 900 last season. Definitely an upgrade in power. Not huge by any means but significant; especially when considering we went from a 120 track to a 137.
I figured the '19 n/a's had a noticeable performance increase over the previous 900's.

As a guess an aftermarket muffler will probably drop 15/20lbs. right off the skis. Thats G4 600R weight.

I had never rode a 900 before I purchased mine. Ive been pretty surprised with the performance. In the 600 2t ballpark, if not better (compared to older 600's).
 

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Anyone want to start making weight loss and hp guesses with an aftermarket header and muffler?

In HemiChallenger's post (#50) with the pictures, so much space in the nose of the 900na!

Too bad Doo didn't make a small, removeable section of the cowl for access to have a small storage area.

Curious about what was needed to "activate" the temp gauge with the base gauge.
There is a TON of room up there. A storage conatiner of some sort would be great.

A radiator and fan assembly can be put in there from doo of course. Obviously with the 900T the charge cooler and pipes are in there. The 600/850 2T's have the pipe routed in there.

On a 2020 with the "new" base gauge, a temperature gauge is standard. Finally.

On the 2019 REV GEN4 ACEs, I believe you need to add the Ambient Air & Engine Temperature Module (REV Gen4) # 860201362.

https://www.ski-doo.com/shop/Accessories/electrical_electronics/modules/ambient-air-_-engine-temperature-module-rev-gen4.html

At least that is what I had to do on my 2019 Renegade Adrenaline 900 ACE. Unless there is something that neither I nor my dealer knows about?
That was my understanding as well but I'm hopeful the dealer can activate it as snowmansimon says.
 

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I am considering either the 900NA or 900T for my next sled. I'm glad to read you are happy w/ the power of the NA I hate having to deal with the hassle of accessories for a new sled as my 1200 GSX-SE came with all the goodies already on it. I agree the lack of a plug for heated shield is ridiculous. I have a few offers to ride 900NA's this winter so hopefully I'll get a first hand feeling for the sled before buying.. Not sure I can get a ride on a 900T though
Like I said in your thread in the xs900 section your welcome to test ride my 900n/a any time you want. I dont think you can go wrong n/a or turbo. If your used 1200 power and use it, the 900T might suit you better, hard to say. Ive seen a few leftover '19 900T adrenalines for close to what I paid for my N/A. Who knows if those deals are legit or how far you would have to drive to get one.
 

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Got in 150ish miles with the rain and melting this past week. Noticing a much louder muffler after a long day and a rotational noise that gets louder when the suspension expands. I need to do some more investigation. All my new accessories are installed and were all used this past 150 miles.

I will try and find out what he did. Was a small shop with buds and he asked if I wanted it activated. He hooked up laptop for a couple mins.
I hope you do. My sled does not switch over to engine temp when holing the S button on overall mileage. However i have the "accel 1" on my screen after the trip and hr meters, i dont know what thats about. I spoke with 3 dealers and all of them said it cannot be done in the software for the engine temp guage. One dealer said to give them my vin and they would start an inquiry with BRP to see if its possible.
 

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