Mach Z 1000 mods

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puddytatman

Discussion Starter · Oct 6, 2006 (Edited by Moderator)

I am curious to know if anyone can say without conviction that they have come against another Mach Z twin 1000 in trail form that is that much faster than theirs or any other one they have come up against. I am trying to see if there is any mod that really works on these sleds and if there is hope that if the F1000 is what they are claiming it to be and they can add a single pipe and bring HP to 190 does the Mach stand a chance. It almost appears there is little or nothing being offered by aftermarket companies for the Mach that WORKS.

I personally have seen ported Machs that I would not consider any faster than my stocker. They may accelerate a bit faster but if a gradual run up to top end they are no faster. I have yet to come up against a twin piped Mach so cannot comment there. It appears that while some may take off better out of the whole and keep ahead that way is there a Mach you have run that just blew your doors off. If so what mods did the guy claim to have.

I get the feeling I will not get staight answers as to who did what and what if any port job works but I hope to be surprised. Just to hear of a Mach twin that is that much faster than a well set up one would be encouraging. While I know NOS is one thing that works I rather hear about a twin piped one or a ported one that works and does not blow up.

spike

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rodder

· #2 · Oct 6, 2006

I ran into OUT FRONT Z a couple seasons ago and his MODDED Z KICKED MY "edit for bad language"!!! To say he got me by 10 sleds would be an understatment. Thought i could catch him a little but he was pulling away even after the 2000 foot mark. He can set up a sled like no one else.He's running the CS 1240 this season.

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damien609

· #3 · Oct 7, 2006

I got to say ,I added crankshop pipes and thats keep stock clutching and It was a huge difference .
Then a little clutching made even more of a difference. Well worth the money. I have a 05 mach and am Installing a bikeman 1100 kit as we speak. can't wait to see how it runs.

Rotaxmadman

· #4 · Oct 7, 2006

That's encouraging to hear damien cause I got a new set of Crankshop coated pipes in my garage to stick on my 1000 Gade this winter. I've also got Chuckaroo clutching and lakerace domes installed. I ran a every 3 clipped ripsaw last yr. which was 7 lbs. lighter than the stock track. This yr. I'm going to run a stock every 3 clipped camoplast which is 6 lbs. lighter than the ripsaw. ( 35 LBS. ). Ripsaw is 42 lbs. I'm hoping this combo will give most F1000's fits.

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1150 BM REV

· #5 · Oct 7, 2006 (Edited by Moderator)

Spike, The C/S pipes are only part of the answer. Chuckaroo (ps1000 on this site) porting and domes along with some clutch work will get what you're looking for. It will accelarate much quicker and top end 6-8 mph better than the stocker. I'm trying a Hacksaw this year. Lighter than the stock track. pm me for more info.

MACH D

· #6 · Oct 7, 2006

1150 BM REV said:
Spike, The C/S pipes are only part of the answer. Chuckaroo ps1000 on this site) porting and domes along with some clutch work will get what you're looking for. It will accelarate much quicker and top end 6-8 mph better than the stocker. I'm trying a Hacksaw this year. Loghter than the stock track. pm me for more info.

Larry, You'll have to bring your Mach to Big Moose this year(they race on the snow too) and doo some damage. Up till now, unless they were spraying they haven't fared too well. Think theres going to be alot of BIG IRON to contend with this year!

1150 BM REV

· #7 · Oct 7, 2006

Dave, We're planning on hitting Big Moose a couple times this winter.
These R/T's are heavy. Major gearing is important to get the load moving.

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puddytatman

Discussion Starter · #8 · Oct 7, 2006

1150 BM REV said:
Spike, The C/S pipes are only part of the answer. Chuckaroo (ps1000 on this site) porting and domes along with some clutch work will get what you're looking for. It will accelarate much quicker and top end 6-8 mph better than the stocker. I'm trying a Hacksaw this year. Lighter than the stock track. pm me for more info.

My intention is not to diss anyone especially someone the likes of Chuck but I do know of some one up here - Ontario - who had the set up from him and while it was fast, no doubt about it, it would not last up nord style long hard driving for hundreds of miles a day. Perhaps it was not given a fair chance so I woudl reserve judgement completly but the one thing I will say is I have never read to much about anyone with CS pipes that had people raving about them as being so much faster and living for trail riding/. Racing is another thing especially short haul but up here we want to run short long hard and for lots of miles. Mostly heard the opposite of problems of making them work.

spike

rodder

· #9 · Oct 7, 2006

The twin pipes do give a bog on the low end but up top they rock!!!I got a set of twin for an 800 twin, factory doo parts,but we havn't tried the on my buds modded 800HO. The fish cops don't like loud pipes in the North East, and we mainly trail ride.The guys that got the twins working on the Machs have those sleds flying, but alot of R+D on those babys, not just an easy set up in my opinion.

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87gtNOS

· #10 · Oct 7, 2006

1150 BM REV said:
Spike, The C/S pipes are only part of the answer. Chuckaroo (ps1000 on this site) porting and domes along with some clutch work will get what you're looking for. It will accelarate much quicker and top end 6-8 mph better than the stocker. I'm trying a Hacksaw this year. Lighter than the stock track. pm me for more info.

So are you saying, that while SPIKE's and Stone's 2005 MachZs run a CONSISTANT 122-124mph in 2000', these other Z's you speak of would run 130mph in said 2000'?????
Just the same, Cudney has these so called "3 to 5mph" faster Z's out there....where are they??
I would have to say, SPIKE has tried a lot of mods, and seen them on other sleds too. Once there was some really QUICK Z's show up at Spike's track....while they were quicker than Spike and stone, they couldn't mph them in 2000 feet. No where close...maybe geared?

Keep in mind, my post is unbiased in no way a bash, it's just trying to find facts like SPIKE is asking for...

puddytatman

Discussion Starter · #11 · Oct 7, 2006

There is a difference between quick and fast and quick is all about traction and clutching getting the power to the ground while fast is to me anyways all about top end. Since this is my trial sled like most I want to get as close as possible to the best of both worlds. My 2006 is a beast out of the hole and have yet to see a trail set up take me. Top end well I think it is lacking but most might be due on part to the ECU and thats what makes me wonder about these CS twins with porting is the ECU holding them back as well. If I knew that Chuck or anyone else could provide me with a set up for upnord style riding reliability that was fast and quick now due to my great traction I am in. There use to be a lot of talk on here about CS twins and set up and this year no real promoting and that to me speaks volumes of the problems they may be experiencing or not worth the trouble or money to set them up to run the way they should.

spike

joewin

· #12 · Oct 7, 2006

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FROM EVERYTHING i HAVE HEARD ABOUT THESE MACHS,I thing the ECUs are holding these moters back!Cudny did an experiment on a couple of sleds, and came up with his mods done on the machs prove that the ECUs are diefinatly holding the machs back from running like 170HP sled.Bill took off the ECUs and programed his own timing set up and a couple of carbs that arnt controled by a computer and using the RPMs to control the E-Raves,prove that these sleds are running better than 170 HP,And topend now with no end!
I think that if Skidoo would come out with a fix for the ECUs,to allow for maximum timing and fuel setting with proper e-rave activation,Like a Race box,Which I know they do have one all ready,They have been testing them and why it is not allowed to the public to purchase!
This is what I think is holding the machs back from running like they should, Untill this ECU box is changed or properly programed,we will be running second when the F1000 hit the snow.I hate to say it but the F1000s are gonna be fast on top due to they dont have a ECU to hold it back and power can be made very easy on them by a simple pipe change or timing key,That sucks that are 05s run as if they have only 150-160 hp,And I know I have done all sorts of mods to it and clutching and still retaining the same topend!!!

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dtm

· #13 · Oct 7, 2006

The F1000 might be quick BUT IT IS NOT FAST ON TOP END!!!!!!! Why did cat come out with a faster track because the know about no top end of the sled.

puddytatman

Discussion Starter · #14 · Oct 14, 2006

Well first I must say it is good to have DooTalk back although I am skeptical hwo long it will last.

Regarding what you are saying maybe the F1000 out of the box may not be fast on top end but the problem is the F1000 can have performance enhancement installed THAT WILL WORK and WILL MAKE IT FAST ON TOP END. The Doo has an ECU that has proven not to let any performacne enhancements work and even a lot of the stock sleds so unless BRP does something we will be left behind.

Spike

halfast

· #15 · Oct 15, 2006

spike,I have the twins and chucks set up, cluctch kit,domes,tfi box, I trail ride it here in VT. It is much faster and really unleashes some power you can feel. I trail ride it 100-150 miles a day BUT, I keep my fingers crossed that it won,t pop !!!!!! From many years of experience anything that runs this strong and feels this good will not Last. I would hesitate to bring it on a Canadien trip, in fact it is be it is becoming a second sled because of my doubts. It is a blast to ride. It does have that pesky bog occasionally but I hope the software will be improved. My advise for Canada is keeping it closer to stock, reliability is key and high milage on this setup I am unsure of. There are several guys here that can probably share their mods and milage and maybe reassure me

SnowDad

· #16 · Oct 15, 2006

halfast said:
spike,I have the twins and chucks set up, cluctch kit,domes,tfi box, I trail ride it here in VT. It is much faster and really unleashes some power you can feel. I trail ride it 100-150 miles a day BUT, I keep my fingers crossed that it won,t pop !!!!!! From many years of experience anything that runs this strong and feels this good will not Last. I would hesitate to bring it on a Canadien trip, in fact it is be it is becoming a second sled because of my doubts. It is a blast to ride. It does have that pesky bog occasionally but I hope the software will be improved. My advise for Canada is keeping it closer to stock, reliability is key and high milage on this setup I am unsure of. There are several guys here that can probably share their mods and milage and maybe reassure me

I have the same set-up as you from Chuck. I don`t have a worry at all about going pop, very reliable you ask me..... Chuck has my sled now he is getting it ready for the season, tuneing and dialing going on... I gave it to him when he was up here in NH for the grass drags. Nice guy and he knows his stuff on mods and what works and what don`t..... No worries dude she runs like it supposed to....

puddytatman

Discussion Starter · #17 · Oct 16, 2006

SnowDad said:
spike,I have the twins and chucks set up, cluctch kit,domes,tfi box, I trail ride it here in VT. It is much faster and really unleashes some power you can feel. I trail ride it 100-150 miles a day BUT, I keep my fingers crossed that it won,t pop !!!!!! From many years of experience anything that runs this strong and feels this good will not Last. I would hesitate to bring it on a Canadien trip, in fact it is be it is becoming a second sled because of my doubts. It is a blast to ride. It does have that pesky bog occasionally but I hope the software will be improved. My advise for Canada is keeping it closer to stock, reliability is key and high milage on this setup I am unsure of. There are several guys here that can probably share their mods and milage and maybe reassure me

I have the same set-up as you from Chuck. I don`t have a worry at all about going pop, very reliable you ask me..... Chuck has my sled now he is getting it ready for the season, tuneing and dialing going on... I gave it to him when he was up here in NH for the grass drags. Nice guy and he knows his stuff on mods and what works and what don`t..... No worries dude she runs like it supposed to....
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How many miles do you have on that set up and how many miles do you do a day??? How long would you feel safe holding it WOT for. I have been told of one up here with Chucks set up in it and while it ran nice and quick on the radar track - 2000 feet - it would nt live on the trail up nord style. Chuck is one of the best adn I dont knwo if he has gotten past the ECU but sure would be nice to know and could make him some big business if he did,.

Spike

1BadHO

· #18 · Oct 16, 2006

SPIKE said:
spike,I have the twins and chucks set up, cluctch kit,domes,tfi box, I trail ride it here in VT. It is much faster and really unleashes some power you can feel. I trail ride it 100-150 miles a day BUT, I keep my fingers crossed that it won,t pop !!!!!! From many years of experience anything that runs this strong and feels this good will not Last. I would hesitate to bring it on a Canadien trip, in fact it is be it is becoming a second sled because of my doubts. It is a blast to ride. It does have that pesky bog occasionally but I hope the software will be improved. My advise for Canada is keeping it closer to stock, reliability is key and high milage on this setup I am unsure of. There are several guys here that can probably share their mods and milage and maybe reassure me

I have the same set-up as you from Chuck. I don`t have a worry at all about going pop, very reliable you ask me..... Chuck has my sled now he is getting it ready for the season, tuneing and dialing going on... I gave it to him when he was up here in NH for the grass drags. Nice guy and he knows his stuff on mods and what works and what don`t..... No worries dude she runs like it supposed to....
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How many miles do you have on that set up and how many miles do you do a day??? How long would you feel safe holding it WOT for. I have been told of one up here with Chucks set up in it and while it ran nice and quick on the radar track - 2000 feet - it would nt live on the trail up nord style. Chuck is one of the best adn I dont knwo if he has gotten past the ECU but sure would be nice to know and could make him some big business if he did,.

Spike
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Spike, I would think with your radaring, nitrous would be a good option. The thought of a stock motor producing upwards of 250hp should be right up your alley. Ya, you can't run it all the time, but tell me how many times you are going to use 130 mph on the trail.

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puddytatman

Discussion Starter · #19 · Oct 16, 2006 (Edited by Moderator)

1BadHO said:
spike,I have the twins and chucks set up, cluctch kit,domes,tfi box, I trail ride it here in VT. It is much faster and really unleashes some power you can feel. I trail ride it 100-150 miles a day BUT, I keep my fingers crossed that it won,t pop !!!!!! From many years of experience anything that runs this strong and feels this good will not Last. I would hesitate to bring it on a Canadien trip, in fact it is be it is becoming a second sled because of my doubts. It is a blast to ride. It does have that pesky bog occasionally but I hope the software will be improved. My advise for Canada is keeping it closer to stock, reliability is key and high milage on this setup I am unsure of. There are several guys here that can probably share their mods and milage and maybe reassure me

I have the same set-up as you from Chuck. I don`t have a worry at all about going pop, very reliable you ask me..... Chuck has my sled now he is getting it ready for the season, tuneing and dialing going on... I gave it to him when he was up here in NH for the grass drags. Nice guy and he knows his stuff on mods and what works and what don`t..... No worries dude she runs like it supposed to....
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How many miles do you have on that set up and how many miles do you do a day??? How long would you feel safe holding it WOT for. I have been told of one up here with Chucks set up in it and while it ran nice and quick on the radar track - 2000 feet - it would nt live on the trail up nord style. Chuck is one of the best adn I dont knwo if he has gotten past the ECU but sure would be nice to know and could make him some big business if he did,.

Spike
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Spike, I would think with your radaring, nitrous would be a good option. The thought of a stock motor producing upwards of 250hp should be right up your alley. Ya, you can't run it all the time, but tell me how many times you are going to use 130 mph on the trail.
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I agree absolutley no doubt and as I write this NOS is the only option I see. I was so close to having Big Thunder this past spring and put it on the tar but the guys working on a skid for my sled were having trouble with parts so I put my Firecat on the tar again. Always want to see options.

spike

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THE GOLDENCHILD

· #20 · Oct 17, 2006

Spike, it's a hard thing to be trail friendly and king of the lake at the same time. My Mach Z had Crankshop twins and A2Z porting. It was a hard charger and could run with any unstrapped trailable sleds on any lake. What I learned is that most Mach Z's ran the same top speeds, clutching was the difference between most sleds. The zero to 80mph is were they differed. To simply answer your question, the Mach Z responds very well to the exhaust, motor, and clutch mods.

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