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Just got off the phone with the lads over at MBRP about the availability of the 2016/17 1200 header and can.. So here's the scoop...

They will be coming out sometime in Sept. The trail can will be (at this time) the only muffler offered. Its going to be somewhere between 4 and 6 decibels over the stock muffler.The part # is 130T206. They gave me an interesting fact about the part number. 130 "T" (means Trail Can) "2" (is the approx HP gain) "06" (is how much lighter in lbs it is than the stock muffler)

For the header.. part # 1310600.. Same rules apply. 1310 "6" is the approx HP gain and 00 lbs. is the weight savings.

According to their tech guy.. they tested the header/can combo on a completely stock sled and no ECU flash is required.. I believe that was done with stock clutching etc.. So with that logic.. I'd assume that changing clutching (primary and secondary) and altering the max RPM may throw off the setting a tad..

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If I can change those components out, gain 7 or 8 HP with the addition of minimal noise and not melt my sled down, I'm up for that..

Now the question is..... Do I still flash or not... I guess not based on this info........ But does that hold true if I add a PB80 and Cudney kit to my secondary???? hmmmmmmm......

Steve
-2016 Ski-Doo MXZ X 1200
-Pre-Production 2016 MXZ X 800
 

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Im not trying to discredit mbrp's research but i dont see any gain without a flash, at least that was my findings with a similar type header, i actually took my header off till the tunes were ready, all it did was want to run hot with a header on it, that equals lean, now when i got the ecu tune she took off.
Just my opinion here but the same rules apply as previous years, you need the whole package to get a noticable gain, you need a ecu tune, header, muffler mod, pb80 and with good clutching, without it the 16's came tuned up pretty darn good from ski doo. The gain on a 16 is not the same as previous years even with all the same stuff because the 16's come a little better from the factory
 

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Of course they are going to say bolt it on and go without a flash.

If they said a flash is needed to have their header they wouldn't sell any

Ask for the Dyno sheet see where that gets you. Where is the 6hp gain 5000,6000,7000 ,8000 rpm range?
 

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Agree with moto. Ran mbrp header on mine all season with no real gains made. This was observered running my buds identical set up 2016 1200 with no header. The tune is in now, with muffler mod and we will run them off again to see the gains.
 

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As stated above, Most the guys actually tested this last season and saw the issues without a tune. Seeing something on the bench is alot different then real world. I would love to see the dyno sheet though.

What has me alittle curious is the muffler....is this as quiet as a muffler MOD or is it loud as hell with the drone like their previous muffler? I know we all like the idea of weight savings on these 1200s, so it will be interesting to hear one.

I have committed to Boost Engineering as of now, mostly cause he was out early last winter with his tune/muffler mod/header combo with real world testing, and several very happy dootalkers liking the results. I hope i see the same.

I still think the Hindle header is the best quality header, and i believe it works very well with the head mod and a private tuned ECU. Brent will be the one to watch for that setup.

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I've run the MBRP muffler and header in the past.. never any issues with the header, but all kinds of issues with the mufflers. We have cut 3 open and repaired the baffle.. but after 2 seasons of drone, moved to the mod-stock and was much happier.. I will say, never an issue with the header, in fact has out lasted dad's SLP by a long shot.

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do the stand behind there products ? did they repair muffler for u ? did u tell them what happened to muffler ? what did they say ? looking to their set up on next sled
 

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The SLP had a hard bracket to the frame. With the vibration of the sled it ripped a hole in the pipe. The SLP had a longer design the stretched all the way to the nose of the sled. The MBRP was much shorter.

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Has anyone done the stock muffler mod on a 16 exhaust yet??
Well of course i did lol. The muffler is alot different from the old style, the inlet is alot different and its only a 2 chamber vs a 3 or 4 like the old style, not much room in it to do much but i just made the 2 chambers flow to eachother easier, i didnt not mess with the outlet because its a good size already, i also did the same as always cutting the end off the inlet inside. It sounds really nice, much deeper sounding at idle but a really bad drone when cruising at about 30-40 mph, just hammer pst that and you cant even tell while riding so you will notice a sound difference but i done see a noticable performance gain unless its with the whole package. I tried it with the header and with the stock header also
 

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The SLP had a hard bracket to the frame. With the vibration of the sled it ripped a hole in the pipe. The SLP had a longer design the stretched all the way to the nose of the sled. The MBRP was much shorter.

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Ok. The new SLP header doesn't have that bracket anymore, no bracket at all. I think MBRP had cracking issues as well until they moved the bracket to the other side of the frame. Don't really see any reason to have the mount at all. If your sled is radiator equipped the MBRP is an easier mount because as you mentioned, it is a fair bit shorter. Both good choices for different reasons I guess.
 

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BOOST Engineering has the 2016 muffler mod out, and many miles on it from last winter....

http://www.dootalk.com/forums/topic/1247626-boost-engineering-power-enhancements-snow/

4 TEC 1200 2016- (Bosch)

Stage 1 : RPM Limit to 9000 RPM, Improved Fuel Maps, Improved Timing maps. HP Gain 12 HP.
Mods required : Factory Muffler mod, spark plugs

Retail Price Reflash: 450.00

Stage 2 : RPM Limit to 9000 RPM, Improved Fuel Maps, Improved Timing Maps, Target AF 12.3-12.5 @ max power, HP Gain : Up to 25 HP
Mods Required : Factory muffler mod, Spark Plugs, MBRP or SLP Headers.

Retail Price reflash 500.00

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What's the deal with needing to replace the spark plugs.

BOOST Engineering has the 2016 muffler mod out, and many miles on it from last winter....

http://www.dootalk.com/forums/topic/1247626-boost-engineering-power-enhancements-snow/
4 TEC 1200 2016- (Bosch)
Stage 1 : RPM Limit to 9000 RPM, Improved Fuel Maps, Improved Timing maps. HP Gain 12 HP.
Mods required : Factory Muffler mod, spark plugs
Retail Price Reflash: 450.00

Stage 2 : RPM Limit to 9000 RPM, Improved Fuel Maps, Improved Timing Maps, Target AF 12.3-12.5 @ max power, HP Gain : Up to 25 HP
Mods Required : Factory muffler mod, Spark Plugs, MBRP or SLP Headers.
Retail Price reflash 500.00

Dan
 
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