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HOW TO FIGURE 2 STROKE CARB CFM?

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
I started this thread on Home Built Airplanes, and haven't gotten a good answer yet.

How do you figure these 2 Stroke Carb CFM Rating? They are just listed as 30mm, 32mm, 34mm, etc?

Like a 293cc Twin run to 7800rpms requires a 40cfm Rating.

http://www.4secondsflat.com/Carb_CFM_Calculator.html

I understand the CFM Basic's for Auto Carbs, we have them CFM Numbers to work with. In these Rotax UL/Snowmobile 2 stroke Carbs we don't. We have Rotax UL engines with mainly, 34mm, or 36mm, and then we have there Snowmobile counter parts with any thing from mainly 30mm, 34mm, 36mm, 38mm, 40mm, 44mm.

That's Why, I'm asking, is there a way to figure their CFM Rating? The Higher Rpm's you Turn them the more Air they need.

Like the 293cc Skidoo Twin run at 7800rpms, the Peak Flow Calc says Peak Intake Flow Rate is, 73 cfm.
http://www.mk5cortinaestate.co.uk/calculator3.php

The Carb Calc says the 293cc run at 7800rpms needs a 40cfm Carb. All we have is Carbs in mm Size rating.
http://www.4secondsflat.com/Carb_CFM_Calculator.html

The Carb Size used does play into the HP made. Example: a 2004 550F(553cc) with 34mm Carbs Dynoed 70hp at 7000rpms. Later 550F's only come with 30mm Carbs, and are rated 58hp at 6800rpms. If ran up to 7000rpms, it probably would make 60hp, so going from 34mm to 30mm cost 10hp on the same engine.

Sleds Speed up, slow down, stop, speed up, slow down stop, etc. Ultralight's/Airplanes are used at a more continious rpms, usually 75% of Max Power for hours. Since Planes takeoff using Max Rpm's/Full Power you need to know the Size of Carb that gives you the most Power for them Spec's.

So, if for 293cc 73cfm is needed at 7800rpms, which best Carb fit's the bill? It also makes a difference if running a Single vs Dual Carbs.
 

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#2 · (Edited by Moderator)
Some 2 Stroke Carbs come in 1mm Increments, others in 2mm Increments. So if their is a Formula based on CC and Max Rpm's used, it would be nice to know!

293cc at 2000rpms = 19cfm
293cc at 3000rpms = 28cfm
293cc at 4000rpms = 37cfm
293cc at 5000rpms = 47cfm
293cc at 6000rpms = 56cfm
293cc at 6500rpms = 61cfm ===> Ultralight Max Rpm's(40hp)
293cc at 7000rpms = 65cfm
293cc at 7800rpms = 73cfm ====> Stock Sled Max Rpm's(48hp)
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293cc at 8000rpms = 74cfm
293cc at 9000rpms = 84cfm
293cc at 10000rpms = 93cfm
293cc at 11000rpms = 102cfm
293cc at 12000rpms = 112cfm ====> Full Race Engine Rpm's(74hp)
 
#3 ·
By this info, most all Rotax UL Motors use 36mm Carbs, I didn't know that.

http://www.ultralightnews.com/enginemaintenance/bingcarbtuning.htm

The following is a guide to setting up the Bing 54 carburetor used on the Rotax 277, 377, 447, 503, 582, 618 two stroke series of aircraft engines.

Adjusting the Bing Carburetor

The Bing Carburetor (36mm) is a three stage system:
1.Idle
2.Midrange
3.Top End System.

Idle System
From the moment the engine is started to approximately 1/4 throttle, the carburetor is running according to how the Idle System is set up.

As the idler jet number decreases, the mixture gets leaner; (see part# 4), as the number increases, the mixture gets richer.

For instance, idler Jet #45 has a leaner mixture than idler Jet #50.

ldler Jets

The Air Regulating Screw (see part# 10) must be set as stated in the Bing Jet Chart in order to insure smooth operation of the ldler Jet. This screw adjusts the air/fuel mixture at idle speeds and for smooth acceleration.

Turning this screw in a clockwise direction creates a richer mixture while turning it counter clockwise creates a leaner mixture. To adjust this screw, gently turn in a clockwise direction until the screw bottoms out, then loosen the screw (in a counter-clockwise direction) the number of turns as recommended in the Bing Jet Chart. For example, the ROTAX 503A would be .5 (1/2 turn) out (effective range 1/2 to 2-1/2 turns out).

Use the carburetor piston Adjusting Screw (see part# 11) to adjust the idle RPM. Turn this screw in a counter-clockwise direction until the Carburetor Piston (see part# 3) is in the lowest position. Then carefully turn the screw clockwise until it just engages the piston and then continue to turn it clockwise for2 to 2-1/2 full turns. This determines the idle RPM of the engine and should be set at 2,000 RPM.
 
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I will be no help, not zero. But I have a question that since you have been thinking about this you may give it a shot.

Your question How do you figure these 2 Stroke Carb CFM Rating? may be similar to mine.

Which is when I put a 36 mm carb on a engine meant for a 38 mm carb what can I expect.

I was also wondering when the engineers first build a engine how do they size the carb. do they just take a bare engine (no intake no exhaust) and spin the engine (with an electric motor) and measure the airflow CFM through it. Then go looking for a carb that operates well (atomizes fuel) at those CFM and air speed.

Obviously not a subject I know anything about.
 
#6 · (Edited by Moderator)
This isn't much help but Olav Aaen 's carb tuning book shows a 38 mm round slides Mikuni flows 13cfm at 1/4 throttle ,41.5 at 1/2,80.5 at 3/4,96 at full.44 mm carb flows 20.5,58,114,139 respectively .
The measurements were taken on a flow bench at 5in. water test pressure . I don't know if you could accurately extrapolate other sizes from these two examples .He only tested the to carb sizes .
 
#7 ·
I don't know why, but typically ITB setups are rated in carb size rather than CFM.

Be careful with your cfm calculator, they are intended for 4-stroke multi cylinder engines with a common plenum which drastically reduces cfm requirements.

FWIW, Hilborn ITB injection systems on 700+ hp V8's run 2.5 or 3" throttle bodies.
 
#8 ·
I will be no help, not zero. But I have a question that since you have been thinking about this you may give it a shot.

Your question How do you figure these 2 Stroke Carb CFM Rating? may be similar to mine.

Which is when I put a 36 mm carb on a engine meant for a 38 mm carb what can I expect.

I was also wondering when the engineers first build a engine how do they size the carb. do they just take a bare engine (no intake no exhaust) and spin the engine (with an electric motor) and measure the airflow CFM through it. Then go looking for a carb that operates well (atomizes fuel) at those CFM and air speed.

Obviously not a subject I know anything about.
Putting a 36mm on in place of a 38mm Carb would give you better throttle respond, better midrange Power. If Drag Racing, a lower Top End Speed wound be my thoughts.
 
#9 · (Edited by Moderator)
This isn't much help but Olav Aaen 's carb tuning book shows a 38 mm round slides Mikuni flows 13cfm at 1/4 throttle ,41.5 at 1/2,80.5 at 3/4,96 at full.44 mm carb flows 20.5,58,114,139 respectively .
The measurements were taken on a flow bench at 5in. water test pressure . I don't know if you could accurately extrapolate other sizes from these two examples .He only tested the to carb sizes .
Yes, it does Help! What counts, is what CFM at Max Full Throttle is. Engines HP is rated at Max Rpm's! But each Type of Carb will have different Flow Rates. It would have been nice to have more Data on the variance's, but let's assume 130cfm - 96cfm = 40cfm, 38mm to 44mm = 7, so 40cfm/7 = 5.7cfm per 1mm approximate! variance. 28mm to 46mm is the most common sizes used on 2 Strokes.

28 mm round slides Mikuni flows 44.7cfm - 5.7cfm = 39.0cfm approximate!

29 mm round slides Mikuni flows 50.4cfm - 5.7cfm = 44.7cfm approximate!

30 mm round slides Mikuni flows 56.1cfm - 5.7cfm = 50.4cfm approximate!

31 mm round slides Mikuni flows 61.8cfm - 5.7cfm = 56.1cfm approximate!

32 mm round slides Mikuni flows 67.5cfm - 5.7cfm = 61.8cfm approximate!

33 mm round slides Mikuni flows 73.2cfm - 5.7cfm = 67.5cfm approximate!

34 mm round slides Mikuni flows 78.9cfm - 5.7cfm = 73.2cfm approximate!

35 mm round slides Mikuni flows 84.6cfm - 5.7cfm = 78.9cfm approximate!

36 mm round slides Mikuni flows 90.3cfm - 5.7cfm = 84.6cfm approximate!

37 mm round slides Mikuni flows 96cfm - 5.7cfm = 90.3cfm approximate!

38 mm round slides Mikuni flows Max 96cfm given!

39 mm round slides Mikuni flows 96cfm + 5.7cfm = 101.7cfm approximate!

40 mm round slides Mikuni flows 101.7cfm + 5.7cfm = 107.4cfm approximate!

41 mm round slides Mikuni flows 107.4cfm + 5.7cfm = 113.1cfm approximate!

42 mm round slides Mikuni flows 113.1cfm + 5.7cfm = 118.8cfm approximate!

43 mm round slides Mikuni flows 118.8cfm + 5.7cfm = 124.5cfm approximate!

44 mm round slides Mikuni flows Max 130cfm given!

45 mm round slides Mikuni flows 130cfm + 5.7cfm = 135.7cfm approximate!

46 mm round slides Mikuni flows 135.7cfm + 5.7cfm = 141.4cfm approximate!

Now, if I figured right, and using the Peak Flow/HP Calc, a 377/380 is 368cc at 7000rpms can flow 82cfm. If we look at the chart above I made up, you would want to use either a 35mm or 36mm Carb! Ever wonder Why newer engines have 44mm to 56mm Throttle Bodies?

247F/250F(250cc) at 6500rpms = 52cfm at 90% effiecient! = 30mm - 31mm Carb. At 100% effieicent 57cfm 31mm -32mm.

277F(268cc) at 6250rpms = 53cfm at 90% effiecient! = 30mm - 31mm Carb. Rotax 277UL 36mm. At 100% efficent 59cfm = 31mm - 32mm.

292F(292cc) at 6500rpms = 60cfm at 90% effiecient! = 31mm - 32mm Carb. At 100% effieicent 67cfm 33mm - 34mm.

299F/300F(299cc) at 6500rpms = 62cfm at 90% effiecient! = 32mm - 33mm Carb. At 100% effieicent 69cfm 33mm - 34mm.

318F/320F(318cc) at 6500rpms = 66cfm at 90% effiecient! = 32mm - 33mm Carb. At 100% effieicent 73cfm 34mm -35mm.

335F/340F(335cc) at 6500rpms = 69cfm at 90% effiecient! = 33mm - 34mm Carb. At 100% effieicent 77cfm 34mm - 35mm.

377F(368cc) at 7000rpms = 82cfm at 90% effiecient! = 35mm - 36mm Carb. Skidoo 30mm. Rotax 377UL 36mm

At 100% efficient 91cfm = 37mm - 38mm.

440F(436cc) at 7000rpms = 97cfm at 90% effiecient! = 38mm - 39mm Carb. Rotax 447UL 36mm

At 100% efficient 108cfm = 40mm - 41mm.

503F(496cc) at 7000rpms = 110cfm at 90% effiecient! = 40mm - 41mm Carb. Rotax 503UL 36mm

At 100% efficient 123cfm = 42mm - 43mm.

550F(553cc) at 7000rpms = 123cfm at 90% effiecient! = 42mm - 43mm Carb. Skidoo 2004 34mm, then dropped to 30mm, Detuned!

At 100% efficient 137cfm = 45mm - 46mm.

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470(463cc) at 7750rpms = 114cfm at 90% effiecient! = 41mm - 42mm Carb. Rotax 462UL ??mm

521(521cc) at 7750rpms = 128cfm at 90% effiecient! = 43mm - 44mm Carb. Skidoo used 40mm, Rotax 532UL 36mm

582(580cc) at 7750rpms = 143cfm at 90% effiecient! = 46mm+ Carb. Skidoo used 38mm, Rotax 582UL 36mm

617(617cc) at 7750rpms = 152cfm at 90% effiecient! = 46mm+ Carb. Skidoo used 40mm, Rotax 618UL 36mm

670(669cc) at 7750rpms = 165cfm at 90% effiecient! = 46mm+ Carb. Skidoo used 44mm

So, do you see why many of these Engines are not making their full potential HP!
 
#10 ·
So now that we have some cfm to mm numbers.

293cc at 6500rpms = 61cfm ===> Ultralight 90% Max Rpm's(40hp) 32mm Carb
293cc at 7000rpms = 65cfm
293cc at 7800rpms = 73cfm ====> Stock 90% Sled Max Rpm's(48hp) 34mm Carb
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293cc at 8000rpms = 74cfm
293cc at 9000rpms = 84cfm
293cc at 10000rpms = 93cfm
293cc at 11000rpms = 102cfm
293cc at 12000rpms = 112cfm ====> At 90% (74hp) 41mm Carb,
Full Race Engine 83hp at 100%, 124cfm = 43mm Carb!

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28 mm round slides Mikuni flows 44.7cfm - 5.7cfm = 39.0cfm approximate!

29 mm round slides Mikuni flows 50.4cfm - 5.7cfm = 44.7cfm approximate!

30 mm round slides Mikuni flows 56.1cfm - 5.7cfm = 50.4cfm approximate!

31 mm round slides Mikuni flows 61.8cfm - 5.7cfm = 56.1cfm approximate!

32 mm round slides Mikuni flows 67.5cfm - 5.7cfm = 61.8cfm approximate!

33 mm round slides Mikuni flows 73.2cfm - 5.7cfm = 67.5cfm approximate!

34 mm round slides Mikuni flows 78.9cfm - 5.7cfm = 73.2cfm approximate!

35 mm round slides Mikuni flows 84.6cfm - 5.7cfm = 78.9cfm approximate!

36 mm round slides Mikuni flows 90.3cfm - 5.7cfm = 84.6cfm approximate!

37 mm round slides Mikuni flows 96cfm - 5.7cfm = 90.3cfm approximate!

38 mm round slides Mikuni flows Max 96cfm given!

39 mm round slides Mikuni flows 96cfm + 5.7cfm = 101.7cfm approximate!

40 mm round slides Mikuni flows 101.7cfm + 5.7cfm = 107.4cfm approximate!

41 mm round slides Mikuni flows 107.4cfm + 5.7cfm = 113.1cfm approximate!

42 mm round slides Mikuni flows 113.1cfm + 5.7cfm = 118.8cfm approximate!

43 mm round slides Mikuni flows 118.8cfm + 5.7cfm = 124.5cfm approximate!

44 mm round slides Mikuni flows Max 130cfm given!

45 mm round slides Mikuni flows 130cfm + 5.7cfm = 135.7cfm approximate!

46 mm round slides Mikuni flows 135.7cfm + 5.7cfm = 141.4cfm approximate!
 
#11 · (Edited by Moderator)
Not sure you have the motor on an airplane or not but......

I would't worry about CFM too much. If that is indeed a mikuni carb going on any engine that is used to power an airplane or those small gliders or whatever, you worry about tuning in the midrange.

Most time is spent on midrange in an airplane.

I think finding a carb set-up that provides no bog down or hesitation in the midrange of the throttle slide operation is most important.

that low/mid/high operation that you're referring too would be the circuits in the carb.
low= pilot jet (idle-1/4 throttle)

mid= pilot+ needle/let+slide cutaway (1/4 to 1/2 or a bit more)

top= main jet (3/4-wide open)

You just have to follow the tuning guide adn jet appropriately... start with pilot jet and make sure that the air/fuel mixture screw responds between 1-2-1/2 turns. If not you need to adjust the pilot jet size up or down. This depends on where the mixture screw is located on the carb...near the air plenam or near the air filter side. the air filter side the screw adjusts the amount of air and the plenum side carbs adjust the amount of fuel when the screw is turne... opening up the screw = more of whatever type... air or fuel. You have to look, usually 2 stroke carbs are fuel adjusters, so opening the screw up lets more fuel in...if you can open the screw all the way out to 3 turns an still wants more = bigger pilot jet.

Then you start on your 1/4 throttle to less than half throttle response testing.... should be smooth with no hesitation or flat spots. This area of tuning can be pretty complicated as you have the different needle tapers/diameters+ needle clip position and the cutaway on the slide to get everything performing good.

Full out plug chops....hard to do in a plane but the idea is to do a good WOT pull for like 20 seconds and keep the throttle open while killing the engine and coming to a stop while pulling in clutch all at the same time

Then you check at the very bottom of the insulator where it meets the metal casing of the plug (inside, way deep down) Usually you cut the metal off the plug and inspect.

You can plug chop mid too if you wish.

Best bet is grabbing a PWK flat slide carb, Don't go too big unless you only do WOT drag races. You sacrifice way too much driveability. These carbs are really good tuners, plenty of parts for them available....
 
#12 · (Edited by Moderator)
Re: HOW TO FIGURE 2 STROKE CARB CFM?

I found this post on another web site. Now, how do we put this Info into a excel spreadsheet?

Formula for calculating carb size.
Here is a formula I located for determining the correct carb venturi size or at least to get in the ball park.

D = K x Square Root(C x n)
where:
D=carb diameter, in millimeters
K= constant between 0.65 and 0.90 (determines the smaller and the biggest diameter to be tested at the specific engine)
C=cylinder displacement, in cubic centimeters
n=RPM at peak power/1.000 (be realist, dreaming only will make you try carbs far bigger than the correct, with results below your needs)

Here are a couple of examples:
For a 46cc running @8000 rpm
46*8=368 (8 for 8000 rpm)
Square root of 368=19.18
19.18*.65=12.47
or
19.18*.9=17.62

So that says a carb between 12.47mm and 19.18mm should work, After plugging in some values on known combinations that work a constant of .7 seems real close so
19.18*.7=13.42mm
Which is a value that is real close to what comes on the Poulan 46cc saw that seems to work well.
For a Ryobi 31cc running @ 8000
31*8=248
Square root of 248=15.75
15.75*.7=11.02

So 11.02mm should work on the Ryobi, Ill have to try that and see what happens.
One more for Bob (av8tor1977) and his 16cc Echo
16*8.5 = 136 (8.5 for 8500 rpm, that little piston should rev a little bit)
Square root of 136= 11.66
11.66*.7=8.16
So 8.16mm would be the size here.

I hope this helps. We will all need to do some serious testing to see how good all this is.
 
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So 11.02mm should work on the Ryobi, Ill have to try that and see what happens.
One more for Bob (av8tor1977) and his 16cc Echo
16*8.5 = 136 (8.5 for 8500 rpm, that little piston should rev a little bit)
Square root of 136= 11.66
11.66*.7=8.16
So 8.16mm would be the size here.

I hope this helps. We will all need to do some serious testing to see how good all this is.
So let's see if I get the math correct.

If I have a 377 with a displacement of 368cc and peak RPM of 7000RPM.

368*7.0 = 2576

sq root of 2576 = 50.754

50.754 * 0.65 = 32.99mm

50.754 * 0.90 = 45.68mm

So it seems that the 34mm carb on my 377 is at the very bottom of the spectrum here.

I would imagine that the calculations would be the same on a per cylinder basis.

368cc / 2 cylinders = 184cc per cylinder

184 * 7.0 = 1288

sq. root of 1288 = 35.889

35.889 * 0.65 = 23.33mm

35.889 * 0.90 = 32.30mm

The Citation SS ran dual 34mm carbs in 1982, possibly other years as well. Seems like they tuned these motors from one extreme to another.
 
#14 · (Edited by Moderator)
So let's see if I get the math correct.

If I have a 377 with a displacement of 368cc and peak RPM of 7000RPM.

368*7.0 = 2576

sq root of 2576 = 50.754

50.754 * 0.65 = 32.99mm

50.754 * 0.90 = 45.68mm

So it seems that the 34mm carb on my 377 is at the very bottom of the spectrum here.

I would imagine that the calculations would be the same on a per cylinder basis.

368cc / 2 cylinders = 184cc per cylinder

184 * 7.0 = 1288

sq. root of 1288 = 35.889

35.889 * 0.65 = 23.33mm

35.889 * 0.90 = 32.30mm

The Citation SS ran dual 34mm carbs in 1982, possibly other years as well. Seems like they tuned these motors from one extreme to another.
I do know most of the Sled 377's used 30mm Carbs, and the 377UL motors used 36mm. In fact, all the UL motor use 36mm Carbs 277UL to 618UL. The 550F used 34mm and later ones use 30mm. The 580/582/583 Type used anywhere from 34mm to 40mm.

A lot has to do with the Type of Use you are using them in, for Trail Riding probably Average 25mph to 35mph, a smaller Carb is probably better, if Oval/Drag Racing, turning higher rpm's then a bigger Carb is needed. For a 377/380 I would say, 30mm to 36mm is pretty safe!

But it would be nice to see the effects of using some other Size's on a Dyno. I gave some example at both 90% and 100% what each engine could Flow at there Max Rpm's and compared to the chart what Carb match's that CFM. Like your 377 for example worked out to be:

377F(368cc) at 7000rpms = 82cfm at 90% efficient! = 35mm - 36mm Carb. Skidoo used 30mm. Rotax 377UL used 36mm at 6500rpms! ====> At 100% efficient 91cfm = 37mm - 38mm for a Full Race Motor.

In Planes, you pull out onto the runway and basically go to full throttle your Max Rpm's to take off as soon as you can, to clear any obstructions at the end of the runway. A lot depends on where your taking off from what's needed. Ultralight's, can take off and land in 300ft and are flown out of most people's back yards, groves, hay fields, etc. But it's like a Sled at a Drag strip which is measured in Seconds, only they go from Zero to 50mph for 2-4 minutes till you reach your desired alitude, then you level off and throttle back to 75% power. Most Ultralight's, and small Kitplanes are flown in the 4000rpms to 5500rpm range.

Do you have any idea how we could put that into a Spreadsheet like excel just using K = .7 as a constant. Most of these older engines were rated at 7000rpms and 7750rpms back then. =SUM(??????).

D = K x Square Root(C x n)
where:
D=carb diameter, in millimeters
K= constant between 0.65 and 0.90 (determines the smaller and the biggest diameter to be tested at the specific engine)
C=cylinder displacement, in cubic centimeters
n=RPM at peak power/1.000 (be realist, dreaming only will make you try carbs far bigger than the correct, with results below your needs)
 
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Ok thank you. My wife and I are doing a 4 day trip this winter and I think your setup would work perfect. We both have GT'S as well. Great sled!
Re: HOW TO FIGURE 2 STROKE CARB CFM?I found this post on another web site. Now, how do we put this Info into a excel spreadsheet?Formula for calculating carb size.Here is a formula I located for determining the correct carb venturi size or at least to get in the ball park.D = K x Square Root(C x n)where:D=carb diameter, in millimetersK= constant between 0.65 and 0.90 (determines the smaller and the biggest diameter to be tested at the specific engine)C=cylinder displacement, in cubic centimetersn=RPM at peak power/1.000 (be realist, dreaming only will make you try carbs far bigger than the correct, with results below your needs)Here are a couple of examples:For a 46cc running @8000 rpm46*8=368 (8 for 8000 rpm)Square root of 368=19.1819.18*.65=12.47or19.18*.9=17.62So that says a carb between 12.47mm and 19.18mm should work, After plugging in some values on known combinations that work a constant of .7 seems real close so19.18*.7=13.42mmWhich is a value that is real close to what comes on the Poulan 46cc saw that seems to work well.For a Ryobi 31cc running @ 800031*8=248Square root of 248=15.7515.75*.7=11.02So 11.02mm should work on the Ryobi, Ill have to try that and see what happens. One more for Bob (av8tor1977) and his 16cc Echo16*8.5 = 136 (8.5 for 8500 rpm, that little piston should rev a little bit)Square root of 136= 11.6611.66*.7=8.16So 8.16mm would be the size here.I hope this helps. We will all need to do some serious testing to see how good all this is.
That formula looked familiar so I checked my copy of Gordon Jennings Two-stroke Tuners Handbook . I have used this formula since 1973 when I bought the book . I have found . 85 to be very close to what is reality .
 

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#24 · (Edited by Moderator)
You have to divide cc's by 2 for the twins unless you want to run single carbs.

Whats missing in your calculations is what parameters set the "K" in the formula.
K = The Blank Headed Column. If you look at the 377UL it was rated at 6500rpms and used a 36mm Single Carb by Rotax. The 377 Sled motor was rated at 7000rpms. So they produce different CFM Ratings.

(This is the amoumt of Air/Fuel, cfm the motor can draw in at 6500rpms, so you have to match the Carb that will supply that, or the engine won't make it's Max HP it is capable of!) Skidoo/Rotax 377/380 is 368cc.

368cc at 90% at 6500rpms = 76 cfm. =====> 377UL used a Single 36mm Carb.

368cc at 95% at 6500rpms = 80crm.

368cc at 100% at 6500rpms = 84 cfm

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368cc at 90% at 7000rpms = 82 cfm. =====> 377 Sled

368cc at 95% at 7000rpms = 86 cfm.

368cc at 100% at 7000rpms = 91 cfm.

The Formula doesn't Specify Single, or Dual Carbs, but I'll try and play around with it. Like some Sleds, used a Single 30mm Carb rated at 36hp at 7000rpms, and some used dual 30mm Carbs. A Single vs Dual Carbs on a 447UL was like 3-4hp, 4-5hp on a 503, 5-6hp on a 582. I don't think the 377UL was ever made in a Dual Carb mode, just a Single 36mm Carb.
 
#25 · (Edited by Moderator)
I did as you suggested for using Dual Carbs.

28 mm round slides Mikuni flows 44.7cfm - 5.7cfm = 39.0cfm approximate!

29 mm round slides Mikuni flows 50.4cfm - 5.7cfm = 44.7cfm approximate!

30 mm round slides Mikuni flows 56.1cfm - 5.7cfm = 50.4cfm approximate!

31 mm round slides Mikuni flows 61.8cfm - 5.7cfm = 56.1cfm approximate!

32 mm round slides Mikuni flows 67.5cfm - 5.7cfm = 61.8cfm approximate!

33 mm round slides Mikuni flows 73.2cfm - 5.7cfm = 67.5cfm approximate!

34 mm round slides Mikuni flows 78.9cfm - 5.7cfm = 73.2cfm approximate!

35 mm round slides Mikuni flows 84.6cfm - 5.7cfm = 78.9cfm approximate!

36 mm round slides Mikuni flows 90.3cfm - 5.7cfm = 84.6cfm approximate!

37 mm round slides Mikuni flows 96cfm - 5.7cfm = 90.3cfm approximate!

38 mm round slides Mikuni flows Max 96cfm given!

39 mm round slides Mikuni flows 96cfm + 5.7cfm = 101.7cfm approximate!

40 mm round slides Mikuni flows 101.7cfm + 5.7cfm = 107.4cfm approximate!

41 mm round slides Mikuni flows 107.4cfm + 5.7cfm = 113.1cfm approximate!

42 mm round slides Mikuni flows 113.1cfm + 5.7cfm = 118.8cfm approximate!

43 mm round slides Mikuni flows 118.8cfm + 5.7cfm = 124.5cfm approximate!

44 mm round slides Mikuni flows Max 130cfm given!

45 mm round slides Mikuni flows 130cfm + 5.7cfm = 135.7cfm approximate!

46 mm round slides Mikuni flows 135.7cfm + 5.7cfm = 141.4cfm approximate!
 

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