Unfortunately still a fine in this neck of the woods

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Interesting

 

What’s the DB rating at idle and WFOT?

 

This looks like it's on the right track if what is stated is true, but without the DB rating, how do you know if you pizzeled away $450 on a can that collected you and additional $200 fine when you rolled up on the Law Dog and he checks the tune you are spewing. Let alone the fact that it is a modified exhaust. Is GGB paying the fine if the exhaust doesn't pass the decibal measurement when the Law shows up? The real benefit that sled riders need is the reduction of weight, not the increase in obnoxious errogant noise that does absolutely NOTHING for the performance of that sled. Why not start the weight reduction with a factory-installed belt drive, get rid of the chain case along and reduce the weight of the factory exhaust.

 

In this ever battle of our sled weighs less than yours....don’t ya think that if an exhaust could be made that was light and yet created the HP/performance the manufacturer wanted and met decibel requirements dont ya think the OEM’s would install them stock ?????

 

What's the DB rating at idle and WFOT?

Don't have actual numbers. At idle the Quiet Can delivers a deeper slightly louder exhaust note, transitioning to close to stock sound levels through the mid range and top end to keep the peace.

Here is a link to our website on what we currently have for the quiet can: https://ggbexhaust.com/collections/quiet-cans

Don't kill me here, but wanted to share this. We did this test in our shop on a Polaris 850. This will give everyone the sound difference from quiet can to stock. It also has the mountain can and trail can in the video. Folks that have tried the new quiet can are very impressed with the sound.

 

In this ever battle of our sled weighs less than yours....don't ya think that if an exhaust could be made that was light and yet created the HP/performance the manufacturer wanted and met decibel requirements dont ya think the OEM's would install them stock ?????

I'll post this question to you again !!!

 

I would love to see the db rating of the 850 quiet can. If it was compliant to the NYS Law, I'd be interested to add one along with the TKI Belt Drive. If you are testing your muffler noise, something between 82-86db would be nice. I am with the gunner as well, if the OEM folks could meet the requirements of the laws, I'd think they would be all over this reduced weight muffler stuff already.

Here is the NYS Law for reference :

On or after November first, two thousand thirteen, a person shall not operate a snowmobile unless the snowmobile is equipped with a muffler in good working order and in constant operation from which noise emission does not exceed either seventy-eight decibels at fifty feet at full throttle, as measured using a generally accepted test for a snowmobile manufactured after July first, nineteen hundred seventy-seven and sold or offered for sale in this state, or eighty-eight decibels, as measured at four meters from an inline position from the exhaust and four thousand rpm using a generally accepted test for using a stationary snowmobile

 

Unfortunately still a fine in this neck of the woods

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That's not exactly true. The problem is nobody has taken their tickets to court yet so the officers are being a little ticket happy. My notes are in Blue

The Motorized Snow Vehicles Act States:

Equipment requirements

Muffler in working order

18 (1) No person shall drive a motorized snow vehicle unless it is equipped with a muffler in good working order and in constant operation and no person shall drive a motorized snow vehicle which has a muffler cut-out, straight exhaust, gutted muffler, hollywood muffler, by-pass or similar device upon the motorized snow vehicle. R.S.O. 1990, c. M.44, s. 18 (1).

This says that you cant have a straight exhaust or gutted exhaust. You basically have to have a muffler with baffles in place.

Removing or modifying any component

(2) No person shall drive or permit to be driven any motorized snow vehicle upon which any component or device, which was required under the provisions of the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) at the time that the motorized snow vehicle was manufactured or imported into Canada, has been removed, modified or rendered inoperative. R.S.O. 1990, c. M.44, s. 18 (2).

You cannot remove a component of the exhaust or modify it. But the law does not prevent you from replacing something. This could be but not limited to. Flange gaskets, exhaust springs, y pipes, expansion chambers and mufflers. All of these items must be present if they were there from the OEM but there is nothing stating that all equipment must be the original equipment from the original manufacturer for the specific model and make. Because of this you can put on any muffler you want as long as it is not a "muffler cut-out, straight exhaust, gutted muffler, hollywood muffler, by-pass or similar device" So a baffled muffler is okay.

Also Ontario has no decibel limit. Even under the HTA (which does not apply here) it would be discretionary as "Too Loud" but there is nothing written in the Motorized Snow Vehicles Act for Ontario specifying any reference to any sound limit, measured or decided by discretion.

Your vehicle also cannot be legally seized or searched against the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms simply because it kind of sounds louder than what an officer thought an OEM should sound like.

What does this mean? Nothing. Cops do what they want. Don't be a trail side lawyer with information you read from a stranger on the internet. Best way to deal with law enforcement is to say nothing. Leave as little impression as you can to ensure there will be as little notes as possible. Then do your research, hire a lawyer or paralegal and take it to court and fight it properly. Get your ticket thrown out. Get a copy of the court record and keep it with you for the next time, and at that point show the officer.

At the end of the day OPP are acting beyond their legal authority in the case of exhausts on sleds 99% of the time. Fight it properly and enjoy the sound of your sled.

*note #1* I get there is a huge dispute with exhausts and land owners, but the way the laws are written need to be changed to have a measurable limit and written properly. If this is something you feel is important then discuss it with your MPP, until then the law is written in a way that allows aftermarket exhausts at any sound level.

*note #2* Didn't mean to hijack your thread to discuss an ongoing complaint by a small area of riders. I like your new exhaust, Heck I like all of them...thanks for giving people what they want.

 

That's not exactly true. The problem is nobody has taken their tickets to court yet so the officers are being a little ticket happy. My notes are in Blue

The Motorized Snow Vehicles Act States: Equipment requirements Muffler in working order
18 (1) No person shall drive a motorized snow vehicle unless it is equipped with a muffler in good working order and in constant operation and no person shall drive a motorized snow vehicle which has a muffler cut-out, straight exhaust, gutted muffler, hollywood muffler, by-pass or similar device upon the motorized snow vehicle. R.S.O. 1990, c. M.44, s. 18 (1).

This says that you cant have a straight exhaust or gutted exhaust. You basically have to have a muffler with baffles in place. Removing or modifying any component
(2) No person shall drive or permit to be driven any motorized snow vehicle upon which any component or device, which was required under the provisions of the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) at the time that the motorized snow vehicle was manufactured or imported into Canada, has been removed, modified or rendered inoperative. R.S.O. 1990, c. M.44, s. 18 (2).

You cannot remove a component of the exhaust or modify it. But the law does not prevent you from replacing something. This could be but not limited to. Flange gaskets, exhaust springs, y pipes, expansion chambers and mufflers. All of these items must be present if they were there from the OEM but there is nothing stating that all equipment must be the original equipment from the original manufacturer for the specific model and make. Because of this you can put on any muffler you want as long as it is not a "muffler cut-out, straight exhaust, gutted muffler, hollywood muffler, by-pass or similar device" So a baffled muffler is okay.

Also Ontario has no decibel limit. Even under the HTA (which does not apply here) it would be discretionary as "Too Loud" but there is nothing written in the Motorized Snow Vehicles Act for Ontario specifying any reference to any sound limit, measured or decided by discretion.

Your vehicle also cannot be legally seized or searched against the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms simply because it kind of sounds louder than what an officer thought an OEM should sound like.

What does this mean? Nothing. Cops do what they want. Don't be a trail side lawyer with information you read from a stranger on the internet. Best way to deal with law enforcement is to say nothing. Leave as little impression as you can to ensure there will be as little notes as possible. Then do your research, hire a lawyer or paralegal and take it to court and fight it properly. Get your ticket thrown out. Get a copy of the court record and keep it with you for the next time, and at that point show the officer.

At the end of the day OPP are acting beyond their legal authority in the case of exhausts on sleds 99% of the time. Fight it properly and enjoy the sound of your sled.

*note #1* I get there is a huge dispute with exhausts and land owners, but the way the laws are written need to be changed to have a measurable limit and written properly. If this is something you feel is important then discuss it with your MPP, until then the law is written in a way that allows aftermarket exhausts at any sound level.

*note #2* Didn't mean to hijack your thread to discuss an ongoing complaint by a small area of riders. I like your new exhaust, Heck I like all of them...thanks for giving people what they want.

Thank you for posting this. I'm from Manitoba, but fear this ticket happy thinking we progress west

 

I think your good. In the past 15 years I think I’ve seen cops Checking sleds maybe once.

 

In stock and ready to ship. Here is the link to order:

https://ggbexhaust.com/collections/p...-tec-quiet-can

 

In stock and ready to ship. Here is the link to order:https://ggbexhaust.com/collections/p...-tec-quiet-can

Do we have decibel ratings to post yet? I can understand the desire to sell products but wouldn't it make sense to provide the critical test data to avoid adding to the noise problem that the trail riding part of the sport is in desperate need to clean up. If this can is to be part of the solution and NOT part of the problem, I think you owe it to the buyers to provide legitimate test results to support your product claims as a "quiet can". I would think that it would be very easy and inexpensive to get test results and provide them if you truly stand behind your claim as a quiet can. I would like to think that Product Marketing would be working with Engineering and Testing to make sure you can stand behind your product with valid claims. I can't speak for anyone else, but without the supporting data to help make my decision on whether or not it truly is a quiet can before buying this product, I would NEVER purchase one.

 

I know theres no Db readings like you guys have asked for... but just found this video.

I compared it to my stock sled running in similar conditions (distance from camera and the sled angled with exhaust directly at the camera) and they sound the same volume or VERY close. There is a slightly deeper tone which is really nice. It doesn't have that annoying loud can sound.

Id be curious for the Db readings.. May have to buy one to find out. But it sure sounds like they hit the nail on the head for what I'm looking for.

 

It may be worth the $ to give it a shot. Maybe talk to them, see if they have numbers, if nut cut a deal on the $ and get it and test in on a stand with stock and then their can and see where they measure up.

 

Thats the plan haha. I have already inquired for that exact deal. And they're local to me here which helps.

I will also test the db readings if my old man still has his reader.

 

For whatever it's worth, and not to call out a sponsor, but I have tried to call as well as sent an email looking for some specs on decibal readings on the Quiet Can. I know there are people on DooTalk and personal friends that are interested in this can if it truly is as quiet as stock. At $300 per can, I would like to know what the specs are before I throw away $ on this can to only find out that will not meet the legal noise level requirements. Maybe that is the real reason we can't get that information, because it doesn't meet the 80db rating. I like the enhancements it offers, less weight and more access to the chain case. But until I see some decibal readings, I am reluctant to make the purchase. I would greatly appreciate it if GGB could be a little more responsive to our request for the noise level specs.

 

I can say this... I purchased the mbrp version and it was supposed to be 4db louder. It was at first. Now it's pretty loud compared to the other 850s in my group. I have not been stopped 1 time for it however.

 

Y’all sound like a bunch of kids

 

I can say this... I purchased the mbrp version and it was supposed to be 4db louder. It was at first. Now it's pretty loud compared to the other 850s in my group. I have not been stopped 1 time for it however.

Being stopped and peeving off landowners are two different matters, one dosen't have as much consequences as the other.

-grover

 

No idea what the big deal is. You "might" save what, 10-14lbs? Are you really that good a rider to notice a 3% weight drop? Have you even tinkered with your clutches to get more torque? Have you checked belt deflection? A lot of tests show no increase in performance. You think you're cool with the mean sounding sled? Meanwhile we are losing trails left and right because of noise issues. I know if I had land that trails were on, I would close them if guys with cans were ripping around at all hours.

12 beer is close to 10 lbs, maybe lose the beer.

 

First, to be clear, I have NEVER had an aftermarket can on ANY sled I've owned in 40 years and HATE the noise, so I am DEFINITELY NOT the guy who's getting a noise maker to close trails. As far as weight loss, yes, my skills are more than adequate enough to notice a 30 lb difference, 15 from diet, 10 from exhaust and 8 from a belt drive. Maybe you missed the whole point. If the damn thing makes more noise than my factory exhaust, I am NOT interested, but if it is the same, I would spend the $ to change it. Second point is, if the manufacturer/supplier wants to come on this forum and tout a "Quiet" can, then they should be honest enough to respond to emails and questions or test the product and provide accurate and truthful specs. In my 20 years of professional experience, I have have never posted a spec for marketing that I couldn't stand behind and back up with my Engineering test data.

 

Get off the internet

Buy a muffler with bearings and smile

Urinate on all the trail signs, throw beer cans at the groomers....

Do wheelies in parking lots.....

That's the way this sport is heading

 

Just placed my order. Installing it next week before one of my last trips of the season. I'll take DB readings before and after and post it here with comparison videos.

They didn't want to give me a deal to help their marketing which is lacking. Only reporting my findings to you guys so you have the facts before ordering like I wish I had. Buy me a beer in the future if we ever ride together.

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Thank you for posting this. I'm from Manitoba, but fear this ticket happy thinking we progress west

Ontario does have a decibal law.