My dad and I completed changing the head on his riding mower. I thought it was the perfect father/son project, and wondered what others have been doing.
I appreciate the heads-up. I am guessing they have been outdoor in rain for some time, although maybe not since they were sold during our long dry spell. I did check a few loose packs after last nights rain and they seem to be fine. The way they are packaged is each two shingles are back to back with the clean tar paper side against each other. Whenever I have doubt that they might not stick well enough such as late October or November install, I add a dab of pitch. It's a lot more work, but it's my guarantee that the shingles will stick. The wind over here hits a maximum of 90 kph (55 mph) gust, but this is abnormally rare like once every few years. I have checked the stickiness after a month of installation in November and they were not too sticky, so I do worry about this. The ones that I add pitch are well glued and will never move.Protect those shingles from dirt and water! Once the packs get open, and dirt or sand gets on the asphalt sticky strips underneath, they never will stick down well. I hope you can wait..... shingling in hot weather makes them stick well. But you may not be in a high wind area, so it may not matter all that much.
You are not alone... I got a whole metal roof delivered at the end of June in WY, and it is still sitting. Too much wind and too many guys walking off the project. (very few workers and resources here....) So it faces a full Rocky Mountain winter with no roofing on the sheathing. Fortunately, it is water resistant sheathing, so it should be OK if the tape at the panel joints holds.
It's a steep roof. Without measuring, my father remembers it to being 37°. It is definitely not walkable other than the first 3 feet with a shallow slope. The last time I set the first row of platform between the first two rows of membrane, so about 30" from the bottom. It's a perfect height for me to carry the shingles from the scaffolding platforms to the first set of platforms. From there I can easily reach two rows of membrane (90") where I set the next level of platforms at ~10' from the bottom (11' from the top). The third row of platforms is set at ~15' which leaves me 6' to stretch to the ridge to complete the last section. For the last course of shingles that I turn over the ridge, I straddle over the ridge to nail onto the other side.Definitely put 5 or 6 nails in each shingle. Just be careful walking on the old roofing after a while it gets slick with all the gravel getting on it. If it’s steep enough for staging it’s a little safer. If it’s a walkable roof i wood still run one row of roof brackets and planks on the bottom off the roof to catch you if you were to slip. If you have access to a roofing nailer I would try it out. With experience you can tell by the sound it makes if it is into solid wood when it shoots. You can feel it in your wrist also. Are you stripping the old shingles off and if so what are you using?
That looks like a pretty good seal for the winter. There may still be good weather ahead. Has the time expired to being too late?The synthetic underlayment would be an issue if you do not have good roof venting. But if the roof is well venting underneath, then it ought to consistently dry out to the inside.
With an extra ladder, maybe you could rig up a shingle elevator.
Yes, 37 degrees is steep! Be careful.
Not your issue, but the roof out here in WY is using the ZIP system. See here: ZIP System® Roof Sheathing | Huber Engineered Woods The outer coating is water resistant and the seams in the panels get taped. I chose it on purpose in case we got stuck. (Labor is hard to find in this rural area.) And it held fine up for almost a year on the garage (built first) before the metal roof got installed, and would have gone longer. I considered putting peel & stick over the whole house roof, but the fierce winds are a real issue and getting it to stick this late in the season is pretty much a crap-shoot.
I just go to BMR and get rools of self-ahering roof underlayment, but I did find the product and link with a picture. The bottom surface is a smooth and self-adhering. The top side is roughly/stony. The top 3" of the top side is smooth for the next course to stick to it. This is about how technical I reached with this product lolBTW, what membrane/underlayment are you using?
OK, that looks like pretty standard stuff. Ought to work good for your 3 tab shingles.I just go to BMR and get rools of self-ahering roof underlayment, but I did find the product and link with a picture. The bottom surface is a smooth and self-adhering. The top side is roughly/stony. The top 3" of the top side is smooth for the next course to stick to it. This is about how technical I reached with this product lol
I believe the version you would need has a top aluminum coating to reflect heat and cost maybe double or more for no good reason.
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Those are winds that absolutely need extra care. That was the main reason that I plugged the idea for a glued membrane. There are nails used to ensure each course remains in place while the glue takes hold. Once the glue is cured there will be no amount of wind that can blow-off the membrane without also blowing-off the roof.Yes, I considered the added membrane (Roofnado is good stuff), and it would go on faster. But now that the cold is setting in, getting it to stick is a problem so it would have to be put down with cap nails. (Which I can do quickly, having the right hammers.) But if it does not stick well, then it depends only on the cap nails, and the wind here is hurricane force at times; it is just the nature of the high mountains and terrain. My neighbor recorded a gust of 98 mph here just 3 years ago, 20' from our house site. And the part of the build challenge here is just making sure that material is kept protected and properly secured simply so that it does not blow away! We have had siding and sheeting blow off the site more than once...
I have NO 3 tab shingles. That stuff is garbage imo. What I scored is architectural shingles, IKO Royal Estate (Shadow Slate color). Each pack is ~$70 including tax when on special order, or ~$60 for a nice brown color that is currently in stock in a BMR warehouse. I would have preferred the Harvest Slate that is brown, but Shadow Slate is good enough for the price per quality that I am getting.OK, that looks like pretty standard stuff. Ought to work good for your 3 tab shingles.
I read this thinking I had kept this as a draft! Sometimes I just say F'it and hit the post button lolI read your post above, about the customer service. and yes, I taught my son that "even when the customer is wrong, the customer is right" LOL.
From seeing this first hand, what are your thought on the root cause? Of the many possibilities, the first two ideas that come to mind is being over confident or over compensating. In either case I am thinking it is only part of it. Everyone has a bad day, but that does not account for a repeated bad attitude.FWIW I have been dealing with a very good carpenter out here in WY who wants control of everything but does not accept any responsibility for the work of those who he controls, constantly pushes the blame everywhere else while criticizing everyone, and then takes his frustration out on everyone around him. It has been a rough several months, and has gotten worse. 'I don't think I will have him back here next year' is the nicest thing I can say.
My best assessment: Inflexability in thinking coupled with a personality that may just be insecure.From seeing this first hand, what are your thought on the root cause? Of the many possibilities, the first two ideas that come to mind is being over confident or over compensating. In either case I am thinking it is only part of it. Everyone has a bad day, but that does not account for a repeated bad attitude.
I have to wonder if part of the issue with T&G roof sheathing is that the density of the boards is a lot more variable than for plywood. In actual boards, you are hitting anything from soft wood to hard knots. Hit a knot, then the nail will not penetrate and you have a possible expensive call-back later.. the guys running those guns and slamming down the shingles will probably not notice a nail sticking up 1/4"If that wasn't bad enough, asking to have self sticking membrane across the whole roof is a considered absolute no-no that is against the rules. So we are up to three key things that the pros refuse to do on my roof. You can get better nails, but that is not even one of three things that I mentioned. In other words it has become apparent why companies will not (or cannot) warranty their shingles installed in tongue&groove boards.
The pancake compressors have a pretty small tank. I used them back in the day for the finishing work which was mostly for finishing nails. Those nails are remarkably week. I had a hard time to drive them further with a hammer. Often times they would bend into the soft wood which gave the painters extra work to fill the gaps with latex caulk. That alone was no big deal. The framing and installation of windows was so far off that it made all of my work multiple times more complicated.You can tell if the nail is in a crack and not wood if you pay attention to how the gun sounds and recoils. I use a hammer to hit the ones that do not set. If you use a lot of hose like over 100’ the gun can run out of air by the time you put the fifth nail in the shingle. I can out pace a pancake Compressor on a good day (not any time recently).
Wow.. that is sad. An acquaintance told me about finding a poured concrete foundation out of level by 6" across 20'. How can things be done so badly?! Even if you are trying.....I remember one condo with the framing that was so bad that we found one corner of the ceiling dropping 4" over 4'. None of us could guess how this was even possible, but there it was.
Congrats, and I meant that in so many ways. I honestly thought that you were a young guy in his mid 50s like me, +/- like 50 to 60 at most. Hopefully that comes out as a compliment. I am still in disbelief.It was 80 today. Snow in the forecast for Monday. The boy and I moved some snow equipment front and center.