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Not to beat a dead horse but this is really out of hand. Since I've moved to KY six years ago, NY's gasoline prices have always hovered about $.25 more per gallon. OK fine. But now with the prices falling rapidly in many other states(bought gasoline the other day in Louisville, KY for $1.99) NY just keeps the screwing turned on. My parents said their gasoline in upstate is running around $2.65/gallon. $.66/gallon more? Good grief. The state loves to keep the price up-more money for NY and more to be wasted. Upstate's economy is shot, the area is seeing a population decrease(has been for at least 10 years), and the state keeps jackin folks with higher taxes. I don't get it. Take a drive south, look how the southern states are progressing. Even neighboring states. Folks of NY need to take a flame thrower to Albany. Here's an example. Few years ago Tennessee government was trying to introduce a state tax(they currently have NO state income tax and NO sales tax). People showed up in droves at the capital the leading hours of the decision and were freaking out. Result, they dropped it. And if you didn't know it, the state is doing very well economically. Yes the roads are well taken care of. Yes the schools are getting better and better. But that's just a scratch of the big picture. BTW, NY's schools aren't number one in nation anymore either but you'd think so looking at the property tax they whale on people. The answer of well they're(each state) going to get it from you one way or another is FALSE. Example: Onieda county(Utica, NY area)9.8% sales tax(Louisville's 6%)! 1% higher state income tax(for my pay rate)from where I live, Thruway tolls, gasoline prices, approximately 2.5 times more property tax than what I'm paying now. Yes the state needs $$$$ to run but NY's super shop vac needs to be shut down. If you haven't, take that drive to Atlanta and back. Then call your congress man and tell him *%@! Better yet, get the flame thrower. NY=too much government. Period.

Whew. feeling better after my rant. Just pi%$es me off to see that state I grew up and love go down the drain taking it's people with it while others get payed off.

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WNY's gas price blues

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Tax burden, distribution limitations prevent declines from matching those found in comparable metro areas

By MATT GLYNN
News Business Reporter
9/27/2006

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Jay Ciamaga, owner of Edward's Service on Harlem Road in Cheektowaga, displays his famous "arm" and "leg" signs, posted when gas prices reach dizzying heights. Ciamaga said customers are tickled prices have fallen but remain wary, believing they will climb after Election Day.

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Dave Sobczak of Cheektowaga pumps gasoline at Edward's Service on Harlem Road.

Gasoline prices are falling in Buffalo Niagara, but not as much or as quickly as in some other metro areas.
The AAA of Western and Central New York reported Tuesday an average price in the region of $2.68 per gallon, down 34 cents from a month earlier.

That's the good news.

While motorists pay about the same amount in Syracuse and Rochester, some cities often compared to Buffalo boast lower average prices - $2.12 per gallon in the Cleveland area and $2.36 in Pittsburgh, according to AAA data.

That might make local motorists fume, but economists and experts say pointing to a single cause is difficult. They cite regional variations that influence prices.

New York state's higher gasoline taxes - the third-highest combined amount in the nation - account for much of the gap.

In Erie County, the $2.68 per gallon gasoline price includes about 44 cents in state and local taxes, according to the state Department of Taxation and Finance. The federal excise tax of about 18 cents brings the total tax per gallon to about 62 cents.

New York State trails only Connecticut and California in combined taxes per gallon, according to the American Petroleum Institute. Taxes per gallon total about 46 cents in Ohio and about 50 cents in Pennsylvania, the organization said.

New York also imposes many regulations on operators, which adds to the retail price of fuel, said Larry Southwick Jr., professor emeritus at the University at Buffalo.

"When you put on this regulatory burden, the chickens come home to roost," he said.

Taxes make lowering gasoline prices in the Buffalo area to the level of other markets difficult, or even impossible.

But why are prices falling faster in some other places?

In the past month, the average price fell 19 percent in Cleveland and 17 percent in Pittsburgh, but only 11 percent in the Buffalo area.

Even the national average has dropped more quickly, by 17 percent, to $2.36 per gallon. Gas taxes, most of which are fixed costs, don't explain the differences in rates of decline.

Frustrated drivers may suspect a conspiracy, but experts say economics is the culprit.

The regional nature of the gasoline industry contributes to the price fluctuations, said Michael Davis, an economist with the Maguire Energy Institute at Southern Methodist University's Cox School of Business.

Not everyone buys their products from the same source. "The refined product comes from different places, with different regulations, different rules," Davis said.

Prices at the retail end, he said, reflect both the conditions in the refining market and local competition conditions. "Retailers aren't doing anything wrong, but they want to maintain the highest margin they can get," Davis said.

For Jay Ciamaga at Edward's Service on Harlem Road in Cheektowaga, that's not much.

"We make 2 cents, 3 cents a gallon," Ciamaga said. Taxes eat up much of the profit on gasoline sales, he said.

Michael Burdett, a senior analyst with the U.S. Energy Information Administration, also says regional differences influence how quickly prices fall from region to region.

Prices are falling fastest in the Midwest, which has an abundance and diversity of supply from such sources as pipelines and local refineries, Burdett said.

Those conditions foster greater competition on price. "When prices are going down, if you have access to more product, you'll try to undercut your neighbor to get more market share," Burdett said.

The costs of shipping oil for refining and then bringing the gasoline here also get passed along, Southwick said.

Michael Newman, executive vice president of NOCO Energy Corp., said taxes keep gas prices high in this state, but the region also lacks the distribution options of some other areas.

Nationally, pump prices have fallen in part because of the end of the "summer driving season," a cooling in international tensions and a relatively quiet hurricane season, said Wally Smith, vice president of the AAA of Western and Central New York.

At Edward's Service, Ciamaga said customers are pleased to see pump prices falling, but fear they will start to climb again after Election Day.

While the recent drop in gasoline prices has led to speculation that oil companies might be pushing prices down to prevent a backlash against Republicans in the November election, statistics show no historical pattern of huge election-year drops.

Gasoline prices actually increased between late July and late September in four of the last seven federal election years, including 2006, according to the Energy Information Administration.

The median gas-price increase in those election years was 0.9 percent, compared with 3.6 percent in the seven odd-numbered years, when federal offices were not on the ballot.
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I have three words for you

NEW YORK CITY

Unfortunately, it is up to the "upstaters" to pay for the sess pool that is NYC. We get high taxes to pay for their f-ery. If only "they" would make NYC a separate district, like Washington DC, with it's own budget and such, New York State would have one of the best economies in the country...but it's not too be.

But I'll never move...I love the climate too much. So yes..I'm a hypocrate.

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I agree with your frustration. If you really want your eyes opened up on the state of the State of New York then go here, if you dare:

http://www.empirecenter.org
I drive to PA to get fuel. .45 cheaper a gallon. When I'm buying 50 gallons, it is worth it.
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V1 said:
But now with the prices falling rapidly in many other states(bought gasoline the other day in Louisville, KY for $1.99) NY just keeps the screwing turned on. My parents said their gasoline in upstate is running around $2.65/gallon.
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Hmm... Come on..
I would like to invite you to come and stay for a while where I live and please bring you car....

If you think gasoline is expensive... you ain't seen nothing yet.


Gasoline here is a cool $6.75/gallon ... so please.... just suck it up and be happy it is so cheap as it is where you live.
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Plush said:
V1 said:
But now with the prices falling rapidly in many other states(bought gasoline the other day in Louisville, KY for $1.99) NY just keeps the screwing turned on. My parents said their gasoline in upstate is running around $2.65/gallon.
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Hmm... Come on..
I would like to invite you to come and stay for a while where I live and please bring you car....

If you think gasoline is expensive... you ain't seen nothing yet.


Gasoline here is a cool $6.75/gallon ... so please.... just suck it up and be happy it is so cheap as it is where you live.
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I couldn't image paying that much gas. I don't think that I could afford my lifestlye if I had to pay that.

Ryan
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Face it living in New York you pay extra for everything. I would like to move out of the state. But I have been in almost every state and the only other on that reminds me of New York is Minnesota. It is about the same climate as it is here and it must be cheaper to live there.
Bradman said:
I have three words for you

NEW YORK CITY

Unfortunately, it is up to the "upstaters" to pay for the sess pool that is NYC. We get high taxes to pay for their f-ery. If only "they" would make NYC a separate district, like Washington DC, with it's own budget and such, New York State would have one of the best economies in the country...but it's not too be.

But I'll never move...I love the climate too much. So yes..I'm a hypocrate.


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Agreed.. and same here
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Plush said:
V1 said:
But now with the prices falling rapidly in many other states(bought gasoline the other day in Louisville, KY for $1.99) NY just keeps the screwing turned on. My parents said their gasoline in upstate is running around $2.65/gallon.
[snapback]914873[/snapback]​
Hmm... Come on..
I would like to invite you to come and stay for a while where I live and please bring you car....

If you think gasoline is expensive... you ain't seen nothing yet.


Gasoline here is a cool $6.75/gallon ... so please.... just suck it up and be happy it is so cheap as it is where you live.
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True it is expensive what your paying
and cheaper here by far but that's not comparing apples to apples. I'm talking about the huge variances between states not countries. Some states have it together and others, well lost.
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Bradman said:
I have three words for you

NEW YORK CITY

Unfortunately, it is up to the "upstaters" to pay for the sess pool that is NYC. We get high taxes to pay for their f-ery. If only "they" would make NYC a separate district, like Washington DC, with it's own budget and such, New York State would have one of the best economies in the country...but it's not too be.

But I'll never move...I love the climate too much. So yes..I'm a hypocrate.


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True true. Lived in upstate for 26 years and miss being there. When I think of moving back I kinda get that sinking feeling. Tax, tax, tax and where will my kids find good jobs-probably in another state. Decisions, decisions.
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Trail Ryder said:
I agree with your frustration. If you really want your eyes opened up on the state of the State of New York then go here, if you dare:

http://www.empirecenter.org
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I did. Sad to say but I wasn't surprised. Good info and link Trail Ryder.
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Do you know that you are suppose to then pay the sales tax difference on the gas to NY you bought in PA in you income tax return the next year?!?!

But, if you can figure out how good luck!

NY Wants it from you no matter what!!

biggziff said:
I drive to PA to get fuel. .45 cheaper a gallon. When I'm buying 50 gallons, it is worth it.
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here in new england its dropped to 2.25 wahoo i havent seen it that low in over two years! ok 6.75 a gallon id move sorry.
i live just south of buffalo...but am going to school in nyc. I can't remember...but i read somewhere a while ago that there were more toll stops on the thruway near buffalo then nyc...kinda screwed up if ya asked me. I hate the city...its alright every once in a while, but the traffic makes me sick.
Bradman said:
I have three words for you

NEW YORK CITY

Unfortunately, it is up to the "upstaters" to pay for the sess pool that is NYC. We get high taxes to pay for their f-ery. If only "they" would make NYC a separate district, like Washington DC, with it's own budget and such, New York State would have one of the best economies in the country...but it's not too be.

But I'll never move...I love the climate too much. So yes..I'm a hypocrate.


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You are 100% correct. I used to live In Binghamton, NY and I moved a few years ago to Allentown, PA area. Way more jobs and less taxes in PA but still not as cheap as some think it is. New York is losing so many pople that I predict in 15 cyears upstate NY will be farmers, lawyers, doctors, and Wal-mary employees and that will be about it... IBM is gone and so is most of the manufacturing.. It is really sad how those friggin morons in Albany have run NY into the ground. And to think all of the arrogant a holes in Westchester County, NY VOTED Hilary Clinton into office. She has done nothing to help the upstaters who have been getting screwed for decades..

And let us not forget this, New York State HAS NEVER had a governor that was originally from upstate NY. They have all been rich New York City types who could give a crap about upstate NY. I also feel they should make NY City a separate district or another state for that matter. Just about every year this comes up and also every year it gets voted down, probably by some a hole who represents NY City...

And recall back in June they had one of the worst floods in Broome County, NY basically just about wipe out Conklin, NY. Last time I checked over 100 houses have been condemned and MUST be torn down. And guess who must pay to tear the house down and clean up site, well of course the homeowner who is now still paying for a house that is gone or worthless from flood damage. Most of the claims from FEMA have been denied as they just say you should have had flood insurance.. But how about the fact that most of the flooding occured in an area that was NOT even on the 100 year flood maps...FEMA is the best example yet of the FEDS just basically bending people over (that truly need the help) and screwing them dry. This is what I hate about this country, we will spend $300 billion to fight a war with insurgents that will bring US NOTHING, but in the meantime OUR OWN PEOPLE ARE BEING IGNORED BY THEIR GOVERNMENT. These folks pay taxes but yet lost everything...
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hancockd_maritime said:
i live just south of buffalo...but am going to school in nyc. I can't remember...but i read somewhere a while ago that there were more toll stops on the thruway near buffalo then nyc...kinda screwed up if ya asked me. I hate the city...its alright every once in a while, but the traffic makes me sick.
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I go to school at Fredonia State. About 40 minutes from Buffalo. We go up there sometimes and it sucks. The tolls hold everything up so much. They are trying to get rid of them...

Ryan
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