I bought a 16 last year and it really is a sharp sled. It would be cool if you took interior pics and posted side by side. Thanks for sharing.

 

I agree 100% Wink1. The 1200 in the XS chassis is as close to perfect as can be. The XR was/is an awesome machine but the XS really is a work of art. If the rumors about Ski-Doo keeping the XS chassis around for the 4-strokes for many years to come, I'll be one happy Ski-Doo customer. I'm still not too fond of the Gen 4. I'm sure it's a dream to ride but from initial looks, they look cold with little wind protection from the small windshields. Good wind protection is required attribute for my type of long distance touring. To be quite honest, if Ski-Doo went with the Gen 4 chassis across their entire lineup, I'd consider looking at other brands. I don't know if I'd jump but I'd kick some skis and consider the competition. The quality of Ski-Doo's is so superior, it would be very difficult for me to ride anything else.

With that said, the XS is just plain sexy. I compare my '16 1200 to a Lexus...premium build quality, performance and luxury. There's really nothing else out there that compares, IMO. I just don't understand why, but it seems to me that the 1200 still hasn't gained a lot of respect from people outside this 4-stroke forum. My perception is that when people think "4-stroke," they first think Yamaha for performance and Ski-Doo for just your "average" ho-hum sled. People that have blinders on and pass on the 1200 may be overlooking the best overall trail snowmobile on the snow right now. :wink_old:

 

And the XS handles real close to the etec twin bro with the 4tec....I was pleasantly surprised going from etecXS to my 16 4tec.

If BRP would just give the love to us and come out with the next top dog muscle sled they would have a win win all around. But they are afraid of losing cash cow sales so they only throw us a bone every 8 years....Not the way the #1 sled maker should be looking at things! Big power WITH reliability and longevity is the 4s world ONLY.

Dan

 

And the XS handles real close to the etec twin bro with the 4tec....I was pleasantly surprised going from etecXS to my 16 4tec.

If BRP would just give the love to us and come out with the next top dog muscle sled they would have a win win all around. But they are afraid of losing cash cow sales so they only throw us a bone every 8 years....Not the way the #1 sled maker should be looking at things! Big power WITH reliability and longevity is the 4s world ONLY.

Dan

Well said Dan. I can afford to ride any sled out there and have been on a Ski-Doo 4-stroke since 2010. My buddy has a 2008 Renegade 800R and when we switch, I can't wait to get back on my 1200. The 800 is definitely lighter, but I honestly like the added weight of the 1200 for trail riding (which is all I do) and the smooth, quiet operation simply can't be beat. It feels more planted and has a more relaxed feeling.

A 1200 turbo wouldn't be for me as I don't need that kind of power but it would be nice if Ski-Doo would offer it to those who are asking for it. It would be a blast reading all of the posts from the 2-stroke die-hards that made the switch saying "...but you can't notice the weight." :wink_old:

 

Well said Dan. I can afford to ride any sled out there and have been on a Ski-Doo 4-stroke since 2010. My buddy has a 2008 Renegade 800R and when we switch, I can't wait to get back on my 1200. The 800 is definitely lighter, but I honestly like the added weight of the 1200 for trail riding (which is all I do) and the smooth, quiet operation simply can't be beat. It feels more planted and has a more relaxed feeling.

A 1200 turbo wouldn't be for me as I don't need that kind of power but it would be nice if Ski-Doo would offer it to those who are asking for it. It would be a blast reading all of the posts from the 2-stroke die-hards that made the switch saying "...but you can't notice the weight." :wink_old:

well said,I can ride the 1200 hard and fast and it doesn't seem like you are even working it hard,my 800Etec was hard to ride fast because of having to squeeze the throttle lots to open the rave valves and I felt like I was abusing it,then after 15 min it would overheat and go into limp mode :angry_old:

 

When I was trading in my'08 800R Renegade I took a 1200 demo for a ride at my dealer just to "rule out a 4-stroke" and within 1,000 feet of my test ride my choice was simple. With over 13,000 miles on 4-strokes I haven't missed my 800R for one second.

 

Don't expect BRP to jump into the biggest sled segment. The sales just aren't there. 1200 XS is the best sled built to date.

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Don't expect BRP to jump into the biggest sled segment. The sales just aren't there. 1200 XS is the best sled built to date.

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It blows my mind that the best(by far) 4s sleds made are made by DOO, a company that acts like they could care less about 4s sleds and puts us last.

While other 4s brands have come a long way, they dont handle or have the quality of build and materials DOO has.

Sad, cause BRP could build a far superior top dog turbo then anyone else, and could charge premium dollars and people would pay for one...I know I would pay more for a turbo DOO then a SW which I know wont look as good 5 yrs down the road or have the same resale as a doo.

 

When I was trading in my'08 800R Renegade I took a 1200 demo for a ride at my dealer just to "rule out a 4-stroke" and within 1,000 feet of my test ride my choice was simple. With over 13,000 miles on 4-strokes I haven't missed my 800R for one second.

that is exactly how I switched to the 1200!,30,000+ miles later and will never consider another 2s :smile_old:

 

It blows my mind that the best(by far) 4s sleds made are made by DOO, a company that acts like they could care less about 4s sleds and puts us last.

While other 4s brands have come a long way, they dont handle or have the quality of build and materials DOO has.

Sad, cause BRP could build a far superior top dog turbo then anyone else, and could charge premium dollars and people would pay for one...I know I would pay more for a turbo DOO then a SW which I know wont look as good 5 yrs down the road or have the same resale as a doo.

I agree, well said Dan. It's as though BRP is saying, "You want a Ski-Doo turbo? Too bad. You're going to switch brands? Good, go ahead...but youuuuuuuu'll be baaaaaack." :madnote:

 

It blows my mind that the best(by far) 4s sleds made are made by DOO, a company that acts like they could care less about 4s sleds and puts us last.

While other 4s brands have come a long way, they dont handle or have the quality of build and materials DOO has.

Sad, cause BRP could build a far superior top dog turbo then anyone else, and could charge premium dollars and people would pay for one...I know I would pay more for a turbo DOO then a SW which I know wont look as good 5 yrs down the road or have the same resale as a doo.

If we could find out how much more $$$ a consumer would pay for the turbo 1200, we could sign a petition and send it to BRP. Maybe start a poll on here. Maybe????

 

998cc turbo! Newer school motor than the big block (heavy) 1200. (Could it be done in a 2 cyl 4s?)

A 998T that'll work in the can am. That's where the money is... thats where they are concerned with competing.

I say it'll start there and hopefully we get a hand me down!

 

998cc turbo! Newer school motor than the big block (heavy) 1200. (Could it be done in a 2 cyl 4s?)

A 998T that'll work in the can am. That's where the money is... thats where they are concerned with competing.

I say it'll start there and hopefully we get a hand me down!

89MX, I think you're absolutely right. Get the engine to work in both segments and it's a win/win for BRP and also for us, the snowmobile consumer.

I'm not much of an engine guru like a lot of you guys here, but I'd think with the resources that BRP has, they'd be able to get another 100cc's out of the 900ACE and put a turbo on it that would fit inside the XS bodywork.

Would there be an advantage to a 3 cylinder turbo 900ACE vs. an all-new twin cylinder turbo 900? Just wondering...

 

I heard that BRP has a 1000 cc single cylinder 200 + turbo ready for release. Being only one cylinder it will be lightweight and very narrow. They will be able to mount it very low in the G4 chassis. From what I'm told is its a TORQUE MONSTER! This engine will be a true thumper and I can't wait to hear how it sounds.

 

I heard that BRP has a 1000 cc single cylinder 200 + turbo ready for release. Being only one cylinder it will be lightweight and very narrow. They will be able to mount it very low in the G4 chassis. From what I'm told is its a TORQUE MONSTER! This engine will be a true thumper and I can't wait to hear how it sounds.

It will be called the Olympic Mach Daddy!

 

998cc turbo! Newer school motor than the big block (heavy) 1200. (Could it be done in a 2 cyl 4s?)

A 998T that'll work in the can am. That's where the money is... thats where they are concerned with competing.

I say it'll start there and hopefully we get a hand me down!

Cat did it with a 1050 Suzuki twin and went away from it to the 1000 Yamaha triple and saved 10 lbs in the process. Trust me you don't want a twin cyl, It will not sell and they sound like a lawn mower or a cow giving birth depending on the muffler you run on them.

A four cylinder Yamaha would sure be sweet with a turbo in the Doo chassis!

 

I heard that BRP has a 1000 cc single cylinder 200 + turbo ready for release..

I hadn't heard that rumor yet, so I have to ask: Seriously or sarcastically?

If you are serious, I hope it sounds cooler than my 250 Elan!

And Knapp, wasn't that AC 2cyl kind of a cast iron pig.... a bad apple to compared to what Rotax is capable of?

I'm kinda thinking BRP could set a new bar here. They did it with the REV and it's evolutions, and with Etec. Everyone has followed those designs to some degree a few years after BRP.

Target here being not a drag sled but a sellable to the masses trail sled. Something that can do what a lazy 200 hp 1200T can do.... but with a trail and ditch feel of an 800.

So how about a narrow and light 2cyl. Maybe solenoid valves and no camshaft (and all it's other junk) at all. Think of setting valve timing maps in the ecu!

Stuff like that. Put the competition back to the drawing board.

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I like this! But I hadn't heard that rumor yet, so I have to ask: Seriously or sarcastically?

If you are serious, I hope it sounds cooler than my 250 Elan!

And Knapp, wasn't that AC 2cyl kind of a cast iron pig.... a bad apple to compared to what Rotax is capable of?

I'm kinda thinking BRP could set a new bar here. They did it with the REV and it's evolutions, and with Etec. Everyone has followed those designs to some degree a few years after BRP.

Target here being not a drag sled but a sellable to the masses trail sled. Something that can do what a lazy 200 hp 1200T can do.... but with a trail and ditch feel of an 800.

So how about a narrow and light 2cyl. Maybe solenoid valves and no camshaft (and all it's other junk) at all. Think of setting valve timing maps in the ecu!

Stuff like that. Put the competition back to the drawing board.

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He's being sarcastic of course. A single 1000 would be a POS.

AC turbo twin had a cast iron exhaust manifold just the same as the new Yamaha triple that replaces it, but was an alum block and head Suzuki twin.

Anyone that owned one never liked what that twin sounded like.

More cylinders is more better! For sound, power production, RPM and less chance of deto. Three cylinder version is far better than the twin, and four cylinder is even better yet. NO ONE wants a twin cylinder turbo four-stroke even if it was lighter, which it wouldn't be anyway.

 

The Polaris /Weber FST 750 is a very smooth running reliable 2 cylinder Turbo 4 stroke that has a lot of torque and pulled harder than my na 1200.If they didn't stop making them I would have bought another.No problems on mine with over 11,000 miles on it before I traded it in.

 

I don't know what that Polaris turbo 750 put out for power but it was/is a great engine, my old boss bought one and has handed it down to his son. Still runs great AFAIK

 

I have heard skidoo also has a 150 hp and 180 hp triple 4 stroke ACE engines sitting on a shelf but aren't in a hurry to put them out , if ever . more interest in the new aluminum recycler they just built

 

I don't know what that Polaris turbo 750 put out for power but it was/is a great engine, my old boss bought one and has handed it down to his son. Still runs great AFAIK

They put out right around 145 HP stock.

 

They put out right around 145 HP stock.

And weigh a ton.

 

The Polaris /Weber FST 750 is a very smooth running reliable 2 cylinder Turbo 4 stroke that has a lot of torque and pulled harder than my na 1200.If they didn't stop making them I would have bought another.No problems on mine with over 11,000 miles on it before I traded it in.

I rode with a buddy for several years that had the Fst and I would always beat him,it was 50 lbs more

 

And weigh a ton.

It did.It was the LX 136" and listed at 599 lbs dry compared to my renegade dry list weight at 518.But it carried it's extra 81 pounds extremely well and was a great trail sled,and is why I can't see why any one complains about a 1200 "feeling heavy".Not a ditch banger but I am a long distance(200-350 miles a day) groomed trail rider and it was very adept at doing that.Not to mention it was the warmest thing I have ridden.And a site sponsor on here (Martin from Precision sports)was playing with them with tremendous results before the 1200 was born.A pipe,bigger intercooler and an ecu flash and a few minor clutching changes would safely get 185 hp on 91 octane.Those webers were also overbuilt and could take the bump like the 1200's.