Quickdraw,
Where do you ride? Have you ever ridden a 1000? I am just wondering what qualifys you to make that statement? Tell us about your experience. Not trying to pick a fight just want to know where you are coming from.
I own a 1000 and as posted above when the snow isn't deep it can get tiring after a long days ride. I weigh 175. When the snow is deep it rolls around like an 800. I can throw this thing all over the place. I boondock EVERYWHERE the 800's do. Guys that live where the snow is deep all the time probably only complain about getting tired from digging out the smaller sleds. I doo believe it has its place in the line-up. It has been a solid performer for me. That's my 2 cents.
I looked at that line for 10 minutes before I posted that message. As I said I knew I wasn't going to make any friends with that post. 1'st - I'm not trying to insult anyone's manhood. 2'nd - I didn't insult you family, although to many of us our powersport toys are very close to our hearts. I ride the Rockies of southeast Idaho, 6000-11000ft. And No I've never riden a 1000, nor do I think I need to. I'm not saying it's a bad sled, I think that the technology behind the Rev+800R motor will surpass what the RT+1000 package was intended to do. If we could all seperate ourselves from the mine is better than yours syndrom and just look at the current facts:
Let's assume Rt vs Rev chassis is a push.
Sled #1 Summit Highmark X 151 Base Price $11,849, 529lbs, 170hp all other features Identical. 3.12 Wt./Hp
Sled #2 Summit X 151 Base Price $10,249, 469lbs, 151hp all other features Identcal. 3.10 Wt./hp
Summary: Savings Cost Save $1,600, -60lbs, - 19hp
From 99% of the posts on this site people are killing to lose weight and increade HP. The Rev Summit already lost 60lbs that the RT can't get close to. But with $1600 and a talented engine builder the Rev can easily get within sniffing distance of the 1000's 170hp. Example: Dyno tests have already shown the 800R will probably come in closer to 154hp. Dyno tests have already shown that just the new BMP pipe is good for 6-8HP and lose another 8lbs, cost $379. Now Rev 800R @ 160 HP weight 461lbs - 2.87 Wt./Hp and $1,221 remaining. Send the $ to Big John and I think he can get me close. OOOEEE!! Which sled gives the best bang for the buck?
I too am not trying to start a fight . Them times they all a changin and I love it . I would have gladly gone to the RT when I stepped into a new sled last year but I didn't need that much power and I'm not as young as I once was (translation: I already bring enough weight to the mountain, and I'm not talking muscle.). Now when I step into my next new sled I can "HAVE IT ALL!!" I'm Doo to the bone (sleds and boats) but when I pull out my wallet it's all about what's best for me right now. Which bring us back to the original question of the post, 800 151 or 1000RT 162? There's no way any of us can KNOW what is BEST for him, only what we THINK could be BETTER.
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Very well put, intelligent response which usually does not seem to happen on internet forums. a big
to you on the post quickdraw. it pretty hard to argue with that no matter what you ride or what you think. you just put the facts on the table and as you said "There's no way any of us can KNOW what is BEST for him, only what we THINK could be BETTER."
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Quickdraw,
Sharing our EXPERIENCE will give CHILLED a glimpse of the information he needs to make this important and expensive decision. Stick to what you know. You talk about two machines you know very little about and put one on a pedestal and say nothing good about the other. Most of your "facts" come from paper and not your pesonal EXPERIENCE. Uninformed opinions help noone. In a nut shell you say the 1000 is heavy, 170hp and is a limited use sled. The 800R is 60lbs. lighter and can be modified to catch up to the HP of the 1000. This is true but when making these statements you left out some important facts. I am not going to cover it all but have a few points to make.
1. This is the 800R's maiden voyage. The abilities of a 1000 in an 800 appeals to all but right now it is still marketing. Its not proven yet. I can tell your excited but give it a couple months. We won't know the real numbers until we get them in our hands.
2. The majority of the 800R technology came from the 1000. The 3D RAVE is new.
3. The modifcations you mention to get to the HP of the 1000 but you "didn't need" will VOID your engine warranty. If the engine blows how much will that cost???
4. You can "have it all" with any sled depends what your looking for and variables such as rider style, height , weight, strength, ability and riding conditions...
5. You can shed 40lbs. off the 1000 for about $300 and that includes an aftermarket can, if you feel the need. I'd say thats pretty close to the 800.
6. The new update for the 1000 is said to increase HP in to the low 180's (with warrranty intact). You didn't mention those numbers.
In closing,
I think its best to "stick to what we know" and share our experience based on real numbers and facts and help our fellow doo riders make more informed decisions. You are a big guy with an 800 151 and shared your experience with that. That is useful information. Suggesting a sled you have never ridden may not belong in doo's line-up is not useful. Goes back to that age old saying "don't knock it til you try it".
