You obviously do care. You seem to be getting upset about something so trivial. So what, it's heavier than ski doo claims.
2022 Mach z versus 2022 Arctic cat thundercat weight
So I'm bored and YouTube popped up a video on the fastest sled according to some magazine. So they say it's the thundercat which now you can get electronic power steering with. So for s**** and giggles I thought I'd look up the weight. 20 minutes later I'm googled out and I got nothing. I see the Mach is around 550 lbs but I'll be damned if I can find the weight of the arctic crap.I love how they won't list it in any of their specs on any of their sites. Does anybody know?
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I think my point is …I don’t care what supertraxx published…I know there's no way a two stroke 850 is heavier than a 900R or Mach Z four stroke dry or wet. Common sense tells us this.You obviously do care. You seem to be getting upset about something so trivial. So what, it's heavier than ski doo claims.
Completely agree. As I said earlier in this thread I have a G5 850 Blizzard and a Mach Z. With crappy conditions in my area I spent this past season dragging them around trailers etc. Also the usual shifting in parking lots, when gassing up, around the garage, etc. Long story short was lifting them frequently. The Mach felt 100 lbs heavier. Got so I’d default to riding the 850 because it was so much easier to move. It is light in comparison. The weight difference was much more then I had expected.I think my point is …I don’t care what supertraxx published…I know there's no way a two stroke 850 is heavier than a 900R or Mach Z four stroke dry or wet. Common sense tells us this.
From @stevewithocd on another thread:
900R:
Front=309
Rear=313 for total of 622 pounds
Winder:
Front=333
Rear=361 for total of 694 pounds
900R:
Front=309
Rear=313 for total of 622 pounds
Winder:
Front=333
Rear=361 for total of 694 pounds
This I agree with.... Even if you take into the account the difference between the empty vs full in gas was really off. The 139lbs or what ever it was does not add up to the weight of the gas. So where does the weight come from or is the scale off? I dunno....I think my point is …I don’t care what supertraxx published…I know there's no way a two stroke 850 is heavier than a 900R or Mach Z four stroke dry or wet. Common sense tells us this.
That’s the mystery. Accepting the bona fides of those doing the weighing what went wrong?This I agree with.... Even if you take into the account the difference between the empty vs full in gas was really off. The 139lbs or what ever it was does not add up to the weight of the gas. So where does the weight come from or is the scale off? I dunno....
I believe the numbers. It would be foolish to lie, a thousand people could prove them wrong (weighing their own G5's). And then how silly would ST look? For reference, their weight on the Sidewinder is almost the exact same weight as the Thundercat at the 2022 Old Forge shootout.
But there is no way an 850 weighs more than a Mach or 900R. No frieken way. And the winders and cats…forget it, they weigh a ton. 850’s are gonna be significantly lighter period-wet or dry. And that’s the only point I’m making.I believe the numbers. It would be foolish to lie, a thousand people could prove them wrong (weighing their own G5's). And then how silly would ST look? For reference, their weight on the Sidewinder is almost the exact same weight as the Thundercat at the 2022 Old Forge shootout.
So why don't you weigh yours and prove them wrong? Why hasn't anyone else debunked this?But there is no way an 850 weighs more than a Mach or 900R. No frieken way. And the winders and cats…forget it, they weigh a ton. 850’s are gonna be significantly lighter period-wet or dry. And that’s the only point I’m making.
So why don’t you weigh yours too? You’re always speculating on me or others that don’t believe a 2 stroke is heavier than a 4 stroke.So why don't you weigh yours and prove them wrong? Why hasn't anyone else debunked this?
I’ll bet you a two stroke weighs less than a 4 stroke…every day of the week.
So you got a guy that used bathroom scales to weigh a few sleds, vs. a hanging scale meant to hang things from that reads accurately and repeatable ever time. I'm going to believe the hanging scale as I have tried to use bathroom scales to weigh sleds, and they are NOT reliable and repeatable when you don't load them exactly so.
Of course a two stroke will be lighter in the same chassis with the same equipment on the same chassis. What some fail to realize is OCD is weighting the lightest version of the 900 chassis, and ST measured the heavier version of the chassis with electric shocks etc. Its heavy! They are all heavy! What's obvious is Doo has really packed the weight on over they years with electric shocks, reinforcements and different farkles like gauges and controls. It all adds up to the bottom line. Keeping it simple is going to be the lightest package, but if you want the packages added its going to get heavy.
Does it matter? We ride them, not carry them. I don't remember the last time I got stuck myself. I'll opt for big power turbos and EPS and a big grin myself. I can confidently say I'll never ever own another two-stroke again for trail use myself. Been 20 years since I've even owned one for trail use!
Of course a two stroke will be lighter in the same chassis with the same equipment on the same chassis. What some fail to realize is OCD is weighting the lightest version of the 900 chassis, and ST measured the heavier version of the chassis with electric shocks etc. Its heavy! They are all heavy! What's obvious is Doo has really packed the weight on over they years with electric shocks, reinforcements and different farkles like gauges and controls. It all adds up to the bottom line. Keeping it simple is going to be the lightest package, but if you want the packages added its going to get heavy.
Does it matter? We ride them, not carry them. I don't remember the last time I got stuck myself. I'll opt for big power turbos and EPS and a big grin myself. I can confidently say I'll never ever own another two-stroke again for trail use myself. Been 20 years since I've even owned one for trail use!
Good post. I Agree.So you got a guy that used bathroom scales to weigh a few sleds, vs. a hanging scale meant to hang things from that reads accurately and repeatable ever time. I'm going to believe the hanging scale as I have tried to use bathroom scales to weigh sleds, and they are NOT reliable and repeatable when you don't load them exactly so.
Of course a two stroke will be lighter in the same chassis with the same equipment on the same chassis. What some fail to realize is OCD is weighting the lightest version of the 900 chassis, and ST measured the heavier version of the chassis with electric shocks etc. Its heavy! They are all heavy! What's obvious is Doo has really packed the weight on over they years with electric shocks, reinforcements and different farkles like gauges and controls. It all adds up to the bottom line. Keeping it simple is going to be the lightest package, but if you want the packages added its going to get heavy.
Does it matter? We ride them, not carry them. I don't remember the last time I got stuck myself. I'll opt for big power turbos and EPS and a big grin myself. I can confidently say I'll never ever own another two-stroke again for trail use myself. Been 20 years since I've even owned one for trail use!
However, I too said I’d never own another two stroke after 12 yrs straight of 4 strokes(Apex and Winder), then I did what I never thought I’d do, I bought a two stroke in 2021….and I gotta admit it’s been fabulous. It’s not even close to the dirty smelly two strokes of the 90’s and first decade of the 2000’s. Doo does two strokes fabulous now with the etec technology, and no smoke or smell. My 850 has been superb. And the weight difference is certainly notable compared to a big four stroke turbo(cuz I had one), but not a big deal to me since I always had big iron anyway. But it is noticeable, and my 850 Doo felt light compared to my sidewinder, and thats because it was substantially lighter.
As long as you like what you bought and ride it’s all good.
They're not bathroom scales.So you got a guy that used bathroom scales to weigh a few sleds, vs. a hanging scale meant to hang things from that reads accurately and repeatable ever time. I'm going to believe the hanging scale as I have tried to use bathroom scales to weigh sleds, and they are NOT reliable and repeatable when you don't load them exactly so.
Of course a two stroke will be lighter in the same chassis with the same equipment on the same chassis. What some fail to realize is OCD is weighting the lightest version of the 900 chassis, and ST measured the heavier version of the chassis with electric shocks etc. Its heavy! They are all heavy! What's obvious is Doo has really packed the weight on over they years with electric shocks, reinforcements and different farkles like gauges and controls. It all adds up to the bottom line. Keeping it simple is going to be the lightest package, but if you want the packages added its going to get heavy.
Does it matter? We ride them, not carry them. I don't remember the last time I got stuck myself. I'll opt for big power turbos and EPS and a big grin myself. I can confidently say I'll never ever own another two-stroke again for trail use myself. Been 20 years since I've even owned one for trail use!
Hanging scales are good but lifting an object with a hanging scale can and will damage them
Damage the sled? Maybe if you hung it by the rear bumper or one spindle and yanked it violently. There is little difference between jacking a sled up on a stand and picking it up on a sling by the same points. Google factory tours for your favorite brand and you will see that they move the machines around the factory floor suspended from gantries. Arctic Cat transports them across the floor using a spreader beam whose only points of contact are the handlebars and rear bumper. You aren't going to hurt a sled picking it up in a sling unless you do something dumb.Hanging scales are good but lifting an object with a hanging scale can and will damage them
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Damage the scale not the sled. Seen many hanging scales get messed up by lifting the object by the scale
How to you use the scale if you don't use it to pick up machine??Damage the scale not the sled. Seen many hanging scales get messed up by lifting the object by the scale
Hoist the machine up then lower onto hook or whatever on scale
How is that any different? When you lower it onto the scale, it's the same force as lifting it by the scale.Hoist the machine up then lower onto hook or whatever on scale
Maybe the load cell doesn't like to be jerked around. That's where the possible damage could come from.How is that any different? When you lower it onto the scale, it's the same force as lifting it by the scale.
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