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2004 800HO Compression

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Checked the compression last night on my 2004 800HO Adrenalin. Just over 5000km or 3100miles. Both cylinders after being warmed up produced evenly 130psi with the throttle closed and 136psi with the throttle open. I am not sure if the rings were changed by the previous owner as I purchased the sled used from a doo dealer with roughly 1200km on it. I did have BRP check the VIN for the service history prior purchasing and there was not any mention of the rings being done under warranty. The machine runs very strong, starts no problem and I recall it only stalling once last season while going into reverse. When it stalled the sled was not completely warmed up seeing I only had to move it a few feet to make some room. I realize it's hard to say for sure but should this compression reading raise concern over the rings?

I also checked compression on my wife's 04 500ss 4000km or 2480miles. With the engine warmed It produced 140psi throttle closed and 145psi with the throttle open. I suspect there is no concern with her machine.

Cheers.
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If you want some piece of mind, pull the pipe and "Y" pipe off the sled. Get a flash light and look into the exhaust port of the motor. As you roll the clutch back and forth look at the rings. If they are pitted I would replace. My 04 had compression in the 125 psi range when I did mine. New it was 150 ish.
You are going to need a 5mm ball end allen key to get at the y-pipe bolts. The way I did it was to cut the "L" off a 5mm key and stick it in a 5mm socket... then extension and ratchet... pretty easy that way... if there's red locktite on the bolts, have fun
Correct me if i am wrong but I do believe the rings are visable by simply removing the exhaust valves? I was going to clean them tonight anyways so I planned on having a peek at the rings through them.
Correct me if i am wrong but I do believe the rings are visable by simply removing the exhaust valves? I was going to clean them tonight anyways so I planned on having a peek at the rings through them.
you won't see much threw the valve holes alot better threw the exhaust
Compression wont always reveal if there is a problem of this type anyway, If you want to get a better piece of mind do a leakdown test. Compression will only tell you what i call the end maximum pressure the cylinder will hold and that varies ALOT depending on the method and other variables used to do the compression test. IMO compression tests should be done on a cold motor and throttle open 3-4 pulls, not a warm,lukewarm,hot,somewhat hot, get the idea. This way you get a consistant baseline to compare to in the future if you think you have a problem.
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I have read that a leakdown test will give a more accurate picture as to overall ring condition. Is a leakdown test something a dealer has to do or can I purchase a tester of some sort?
I have read that a leakdown test will give a more accurate picture as to overall ring condition. Is a leakdown test something a dealer has to do or can I purchase a tester of some sort?
SLP sells one for $60 bucks. Check out the link below.

http://www.dootalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...c=67825&hl=
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I have read that a leakdown test will give a more accurate picture as to overall ring condition. Is a leakdown test something a dealer has to do or can I purchase a tester of some sort?
a leak-down is a better/more accurate test, but in your case it does not sound like its needed...

A leak-down is usually done when the simpler compression check indicates something... or you have other symptoms.

(I am ASSUMING 130 for each cylinder) If so, your PSI readings are good, the real key is that each cylinder be within -10% (closer the better) of each other, meaning even wear. Even wear indicates that things are working nicely. check it again at 4.5K. The 800s had very few rings problems, the 03 600 was the "bad" one...

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I have read that a leakdown test will give a more accurate picture as to overall ring condition. Is a leakdown test something a dealer has to do or can I purchase a tester of some sort?
a leak-down is a better/more accurate test, but in your case it does not sound like its needed...

A leak-down is usually done when the simpler compression check indicates something... or you have other symptoms.

(I am ASSUMING 130 for each cylinder) If so, your PSI readings are good, the real key is that each cylinder be within -10% (closer the better) of each other, meaning even wear. Even wear indicates that things are working nicely. check it again at 4.5K. The 800s had very few rings problems, the 03 600 was the "bad" one...


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Actually 130 is a little low even on a warm motor, the + or - 10% is not exactly true. If your compression was dead on 120 both sides cold motor it would be bad even though they are the same.
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After all the paranoia BS on this site, I decided to do a compression test on my BRAND new engine. A 600Ho with 0 miles. I did it to have a base line to keep track of things. It read 130 PSI in each with a snap-on gauge. I guess it should go back for new rings. The ring paranoia on this site is crazy!!!!
After all the paranoia BS on this site, I decided to do a compression test on my BRAND new engine. A 600Ho with 0 miles. I did it to have a base line to keep track of things. It read 130 PSI in each with a snap-on gauge. I guess it should go back for new rings. The ring paranoia on this site is crazy!!!!
New rings need to be broken in before you get your full compression. That's why the break in period is critical. Do a search on break in. Many different philosophies on that too.
Had a good look at my compression tester and noticed a small tear on the lower o-ring that tightens up to the head. Replaced it and did another test with the engine cold and throttle opened completely. Without using the elec start, just 4 good pulls i got 141ish psi on both jugs. Thats an extra 5psi from the previous night with the engine warm and a slighty beat up o-ring. Needless to say I slept a lot better last night.

I am picking up a clutch kit this month from Bill Cudney at the Toronto show and have been thinking of getting his billet head as well. If I go with the head this season I'm thinking I may as well just get a set of his rings and have them done simply for peace of mind down the road. Sorry to get off topic but speaking of Bill Cudney I just have to mention that this guy is one class act. I have conversed a few times with him this past week only by email regarding his clutch kit. Turns out my cottage is not to far from his place of business so he offered to lend a hand with the install. With the line of work I am involved in goo service is HUGE! So when I recieve good service I am quick to mention it. Keep up the the great service Bill!

Cheers.
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I did a compression check on my 2005 800 summit today and got 155psi cold with throttle open, using a snap-on unit. Great I said, with 2500 kilometers on it I must have the chrome rings. I removed the rave valves and with a light and mirror I didn't like what I saw. There was a small scrape full length on the piston directly below the PITTED ring. I will be pulling the cylinders soon to repair as neccessary. Good compression is NO substitute for a VISUAL inspection
After all the paranoia BS on this site, I decided to do a compression test on my BRAND new engine. A 600Ho with 0 miles. I did it to have a base line to keep track of things. It read 130 PSI in each with a snap-on gauge. I guess it should go back for new rings. The ring paranoia on this site is crazy!!!!
New rings need to be broken in before you get your full compression. That's why the break in period is critical. Do a search on break in. Many different philosophies on that too.
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That was going to be my next statement to the guy with the new 600 HO.
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After all the paranoia BS on this site, I decided to do a compression test on my BRAND new engine. A 600Ho with 0 miles. I did it to have a base line to keep track of things. It read 130 PSI in each with a snap-on gauge. I guess it should go back for new rings. The ring paranoia on this site is crazy!!!!
New rings need to be broken in before you get your full compression. That's why the break in period is critical. Do a search on break in. Many different philosophies on that too.
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That was going to be my next statement to the guy with the new 600 HO.
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It's really bad when you drop the dumb magnet down there. Been there done that,
Got it back out when I replaced the nun and bulkhead. If you have an 05 800 put new rings on it. Better yet put on Big Johns trail torquer kit.
My rings were flaking at 500 miles.

Mark

Mark
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