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#1 Daag44

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Posted 21 March 2021 - 08:12 PM

Is anyone affected by the shortage in construction materials and computer chips?

 

For once we can forget the politics because this is planet wide. Thankfully I have two cars, but I was looking forward to buying a pick-up truck this spring. Everything in autos and construction appears to be skyrocketing out of my price range.

 

Today I was looking at new lots. The price hike is at least 40K. Two by fours that were $4 last year are now $12$! I can't even buy plywood because there is none. In hindsight I should have been able predict the hike and buy my roof shingles 6 months ago when the price was still normal. Fortunately I can buy a couple of years by gluing membrane to the roof, but that's not what I had in mind.

 

I want to hear how you are addressing this shortage.

 

Please keep the geopolitical and ideological views out. I am asking for your experience in helping get through a bad situation.


Edited by Daag44, 24 March 2021 - 10:47 PM.

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#2 tnts4me

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Posted 21 March 2021 - 08:18 PM

I went today to local lumber co. for a sheet of 7/16" OSB board, $33, said forget that, it wasn't that important that I needed it.  I am planning on building a rack for our kayaks, down by the lake, hate to see the cost of that.


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Posted 21 March 2021 - 08:27 PM

Automotive is facing line down situations everywhere. When they are being hit, you know it’s bad. It’s hitting everything, raw materials capacity shortages, production capacity shortages, sea freight capacity shortages, and air freight capacity shortages are what I’m actively hearing about in my industry.

Could be interesting when it come time to deliver sleds.

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Posted 21 March 2021 - 08:37 PM

It all starts with the price of a barrel of oil .  :(


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Posted 21 March 2021 - 08:38 PM

Friends of ours own a local building supply company (4 locations). I was talking to one of them a few weeks ago about the crazy high prices, they said they're hearing it will be 3 years before things start to settle down a little.

I'm sure glad we don't have any big projects on the schedule.

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Posted 21 March 2021 - 08:44 PM

Friends of ours own a local building supply company (4 locations). I was talking to one of them a few weeks ago about the crazy high prices, they said they're hearing it will be 3 years before things start to settle down a little.

I'm sure glad we don't have any big projects on the schedule.

got front addition on the camp here going on. Timed it right end of last summer. Got 40 pressure treated boards for $22 a board for 16’. Didn’t need 16’ but 12’ were $10 more. Now see there $60-70 a board.


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Posted 21 March 2021 - 08:49 PM

It all starts with the price of a barrel of oil .  :(

 

What???  Oil is only ~$60 per barrel.  It was the same price or higher through most of 2017, 2018 and 2019.  

 

This supply and demand issue.  Not price of oil issue.  Everyone has been sitting home and saving much more than they normal would.  Things are opening up and they have money to spend but their isn't production capacity to support the demand.

 

I just don't see how inflation doesn't go through the roof based on what we've done in the last 10 years.


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Posted 21 March 2021 - 09:40 PM

It all starts with the price of a barrel of oil . :(


What rock have you been under. The price of building material has nothing to do with oil. Its covid!


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Posted 21 March 2021 - 10:42 PM

What I cant understand is logging has been gang busters in my area. These guys are going 7/days a week, even seen a few trucks running on christmas and new years. The local lumber mill/paper mill runs 24/7 and has for the last several years.  

 

I think this whole lumber/supply issue is manufactured much like the "salt shortage" of winter 2014 (iirc). 


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Posted 21 March 2021 - 11:05 PM

This just off the wire....causing more shortage in chips fro vehicle manufacturing...plant is down for approx. a month...


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Posted 21 March 2021 - 11:45 PM

The superconductor chips are all made in taiwan iirc, china controls taiwan... 


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Posted 23 March 2021 - 04:53 AM

What rock have you been under. The price of building material has nothing to do with oil. Its covid!


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Do a search ,Lumber prices also up because of the MTN Pine Beetle killing the trees .



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Posted 23 March 2021 - 06:30 AM

Do a search ,Lumber prices also up because of the MTN Pine Beetle killing the trees .

I'm sure that is another wonderful china or asian import we can thank them for. 



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Posted 23 March 2021 - 08:14 AM

Do a search ,Lumber prices also up because of the MTN Pine Beetle killing the trees .


Prices going up, and prices skyrocking cause if a supply and demand problem are to separate things. OSB has nothing to do with the pine beetle.


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Posted 23 March 2021 - 05:40 PM

I'm sure that is another wonderful china or asian import we can thank them for.

 
I'm interested in what you have to say about the lumber or any shortage and how it affect you or folks you know, but not about your geopolitical views.
 
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Air/Fuel Ratio for 1200 with boost
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Wideband and EGT
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800R Cranking Compression
800R Oil Injection / Premix combo
800R P-TEK Electrical Troubleshooting #1 and #2 
800R Turbo
850 Center Oil line for coolant pump melted
850 Main Oil line caught fire #1 and #2
900 ACE Turbo - muffler turning red hot
1200 4-TEC Mapping
1200 4-TEC MY 2009 to 2011 Fuel Line issues that could cause a fire
Batteries
Belt Blowers: Overview of UPMICHIGANDER's and Ronn's experience
BUDS 3.3.0 won't connect to SDI
BUDS not connecting to HO or SDI - Try a CanDoo
Crankshaft runout - maximum allowable specs 
CVT efficiency - BlueMax
Deep snow intake for XP chassis
Electrical - ECM drivers for Ignition Coils and E-TEC injectors 
Electrical - Diagnoses of a failed ECM
Electrical - 30A Battery Charging Fuse Socket Diagnoses and Relay
Electrical - Relay Coil Wine
Electrical - Relay Testing
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Engine Break-In 
Engine Weight 
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E-TEC Oil Pump
E-TEC Dial-A-Jet
E-TEC Electric Start troubleshooting
E-TEC Engine Management
E-TEC eRAVE position code recurring
E-TEC Stator fault codes P1562 or P1563
E-TEC Capacitor Charge Hold Test and Residual Voltage Test
E-TEC Voltage Rectifier Regulator troubleshooting
E-TEC Power Fades are not normal and can be fixed
Fuel Issues: Could new Ester type oxygenated additives be deteriorating the Fuel Sender Grommet?
Fuel pump and regulator replacement for ACE, E-TEC and SDI
Gasoline quality and storage
Bad Gas for a Two Stroke - Is it a Myth ?
GNR CVT Alignment for the G4
Grip N Rip Clutch Alignment testing
G4 Clutch Alignment, Engine Movement, Sheave Runout and Clutching
G4 850 Throttle Jerkiness solved with clutching
G4 850 Snappy throttle/clutch engagement
G4 850 pDrive tech - A question of Engineering
G4 Steering
G4 850 Tuned Pipe @ 12.6 lbs and Muffler @ 15.4 lbs vs 800R and 800RE muffler weight
Longevity - 800R E-TEC 
Mikuni o-ring for carb float assembly - Arctic Cat part# 6505-875 or from Amazon and eBay
Muffler Red Hot
Off-trail riding for flatlanders
Oil versus Fuel consumption
Pictures - How to resize and upload to DooTalk
Pictures - How to post with the correct orientation
Pipe Pressure testing on a dyno
Pipe Pressure testing from LRD (#1) and (#2)
Pipe Pressure testing results from BRP
Power Loss - How to diagnose in the field
Power at the Crankshaft vs Track - BlueMax
Power Curves: 600 HOE (E-TEC)
Power Curves: 600 vs 800 vs 850 vs 1000 vs 1200
Power Curves: 1000 vs 800 vs 600
Power curves: 800RE 2010.5 to 2016 vs 2016.5 850
Quebec/NY State border crossing
REV Gen1 Gauge Display stuck on "SCALE"
REV Gen1 Volt and Temp Gauge install
REV Gen1 electrical connectors for sensors and MPEM (Multi Purpose Engine Module)
Seafoam for E-TEC injectors
Shortblock or Rebuild?
Ski-Doo Snowmobile Tech Training
Spark Plugs cracked
Squish - The limit
Squish - A discussion on head design
Stator and Relay Diagnostic 
Stator testing for E-TEC using a T harness/Bridge
Stator testing for 1200 4-TEC
Stator Removal on page 3
Stator replacement for a 1200 4-TEC
Suspension Adjustment
Triples - Coolant Pump Assembly
Y-Pipe bolts loosening fix





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