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#1 Skeld

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 10:14 AM

I'm not sure if this is a Ski-Doo issue, an Expedition issue, or a Pilot 7.4 issue.  But this sled is a foul handling beast in a crust like I was on yesterday.  This is me with a death grip on the bars and gripping the tunnel with my legs trying to keep from being tossed off.  Not fun.  I thought this sled was better than the XU with DS2s but after yesterday I'm not sure there is much difference.

 

It could be all sleds would have been unpleasant in these conditions.  But there seems to be a fundamental geometry problem maybe in the relationship between the front end and the skis of these sleds.  The crust is grabbing the ski ahead of the spindle and turning it very easily is what it feels like.

 



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Posted 22 February 2021 - 10:17 AM

Easy fix, get some Simmons Gen 2 skis and you have a completely new machine. I was going to sell mine before I got the skis.

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 11:19 AM

just the snow, get your butt as far back on the seat and unload the front end


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Posted 22 February 2021 - 01:05 PM

You want nasty try shell ice.

Darn near killed me twice with the ds2 with liners.
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Posted 22 February 2021 - 01:26 PM

Same thing happened to me on crusty snow with DS2 skis and  l actually fell off my sled.  In  my case l realized that I was getting caught in some old tracks as well , this compounded  the problem.  This is an issue  with DS2 skis as well as darting.



#6 Skeld

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 02:10 PM

just the snow, get your butt as far back on the seat and unload the front end

 

Sounds good in theory but when you're too far back it's a lot easier for the sled to get more bent out of shape.  Also you can carry the skis for some distance but when you need to set them back down...bad times.

 

These are Pilot 7.4 but I agree I had similar trouble with my DS2s.



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Posted 22 February 2021 - 02:20 PM

I know, just get the Simmons Gen 2 and be done with it, I can not tell you enough about the difference it makes, I had the exact same problem. Also it will be a much better machine in all other conditions

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 02:23 PM

 

I have trusty old DS-1s and my CTLR Lynx skis from the 2009 XU for " those days ". Anything with a lot of keel forward of centre is a handful. 



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Posted 22 February 2021 - 03:56 PM

Easy fix, get some Simmons Gen 2 skis and you have a completely new machine. I was going to sell mine before I got the skis.

Ya we spend $18-20000 plus for a reliable sled then we have to fork out another $800-1000 for a new set of skis..way to go BRP way to go, whats wrong with BRP engineers why can't they build a Quality set of skis ,surely someone must  test out these sleds in the design  stages.



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Posted 22 February 2021 - 04:20 PM

I am sure glad I saw this video. I was thinking about trying the Pilots on my 95 Skandic which I already converted to Simmons Gen-1 years ago. I goofed up and put carbides on both sides of each ski. In powder its great but some trail conditions it tracks too well! Its an occasional thing so I've never taken the extra ones off. I'll get around to it soon since I am curious on the effect. The 95 Skandic originally came with steel skis.



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Posted 22 February 2021 - 05:55 PM

And then spend another two grand on gas shocks as there is no way to stop these from bottoming out

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 06:17 PM

Your post is timely. I too am in Maine and had a hard time this past weekend with the 7.4 ski. Very very dangerous in icy snow where you can punch through.

There were 6 other ski doos with me a number of them gen 4 and no one else had any issues.

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Posted 22 February 2021 - 07:09 PM

Pro floats fix mine .



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Posted 22 February 2021 - 07:58 PM

Your post is timely. I too am in Maine and had a hard time this past weekend with the 7.4 ski. Very very dangerous in icy snow where you can punch through.

There were 6 other ski doos with me a number of them gen 4 and no one else had any issues.

 

Other Expeditions?  Or small G4s?  Everyone was wary of the crust in my group, just seemed like the G4 Expeditions were extra bad.  We had 3 in our group, one of them eventually wiped out on a lake although partially his fault because he was driving one handed.  Hit a slush spot and the bars went 90 degrees to the right, not good!



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Posted 22 February 2021 - 08:58 PM

DS3's on the new Gen4's are even worse but they turn well, it's all a trade off.


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