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#1 Dothedoo192

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Posted 05 February 2021 - 11:38 PM

I just finished rebuilding the engine tonight, last year I burnt a piston and scored a cylinder, i pulled the engine, the bottom end was still good as we just rebuilt it, new crank and all 4,000 miles ago. The sled itself has 10,500 miles on it. Anyway i put a new monoblock on it and new pistons and rings and put it back together tonight. It ran great for an hour or so around my fields and what not so which really only amounted to about 20 miles. I shut it off, got my gear on and decided to hit the lake and head up to my parents house about 15 miles by trail. Made it halfway to my parents house when it just started dying down till it stalled. No check engine light or anything. Last year it had a problem with the 30 amp fuse down by the battery so i thought maybe that was the issue, it was fine. pulled the plugs and they looked okay. put them back in, hit the starter and it fired up and ran fine. Made it the rest of the way to my parents house and went around the fields a few times and as i was slowing down it just bogged down and died. This time it burped before it died, and the check engine light started flashing. Pulled a plug, grounded it out on the head and it has no spark. Put a new spark plug in and still no spark. I guess my main question is, will a bad stator cause the check engine light to flash? I do believe the stator is bad as its never been changed in 10,000 miles but is there anything else i can check? How is it possible for the computer to detect a bad stator? All other sensors are plugged in, and the wires going to the sensors are good. Thanks in advance for any and all advice and suggestions!



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Posted 06 February 2021 - 12:34 AM

I think it just lost power to the Run Relay. The stator is likely fine. I had the same problem, but with the oem 30A fuse socket. I went through two aftermarket ones before returning to oem. Each time it would quit out of the blue. Sometimes it would start right away, other times I had to wait. And then came a fourth time which was the Red/White wire that was partially broken. Then a fifth with a Coil Wine from the Run Relay. That one took some head scratching. In the end I replaced the broken wire and properly scrimped new terminals I got at the dealer and set it back to 100% oem, but with dielectric grease. There were some hard lessons along the way among many others that had me return to the oem setup.


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Air/Fuel Ratio for 1200 with boost
Air/Fuel Ratio is measured through emissions
Wideband and EGT
Wideband readings of Air/Fuel Ratio on a two stroke
600 SDI MY2004 Lean/Hot spot running 6900-7000 rpm @ 40-45% Throttle Opening
800R Cranking Compression
800R Oil Injection / Premix combo
800R P-TEK Electrical Troubleshooting #1 and #2 
800R Turbo
850 Center Oil line for coolant pump melted
850 Main Oil line caught fire #1 and #2
900 ACE Turbo - muffler turning red hot
1200 4-TEC Mapping
1200 4-TEC MY 2009 to 2011 Fuel Line issues that could cause a fire
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Belt Blowers: Overview of UPMICHIGANDER's and Ronn's experience
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Crankshaft runout - maximum allowable specs 
CVT efficiency - BlueMax
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Electrical - ECM drivers for Ignition Coils and E-TEC injectors 
Electrical - Diagnoses of a failed ECM
Electrical - 30A Battery Charging Fuse Socket Diagnoses and Relay
Electrical - Relay Coil Wine
Electrical - Relay Testing
Electrical - Battery Charging Relay Diagnostic 
Electrical - Troubleshooting with BRP video 
Electrical - Solder vs Crimp
Electrical - Diagram for Fanners on page 3
Engine Break-In 
Engine Weight 
E-TEC 600HO Clutching
E-TEC Oil Pump
E-TEC Dial-A-Jet
E-TEC Electric Start troubleshooting
E-TEC Engine Management
E-TEC eRAVE position code recurring
E-TEC Stator fault codes P1562 or P1563
E-TEC Capacitor Charge Hold Test and Residual Voltage Test
E-TEC Voltage Rectifier Regulator troubleshooting
E-TEC Power Fades are not normal and can be fixed
Fuel Issues: Could new Ester type oxygenated additives be deteriorating the Fuel Sender Grommet?
Fuel pump and regulator replacement for ACE, E-TEC and SDI
Gasoline quality and storage
Bad Gas for a Two Stroke - Is it a Myth ?
GNR CVT Alignment for the G4
Grip N Rip Clutch Alignment testing
G4 Clutch Alignment, Engine Movement, Sheave Runout and Clutching
G4 850 Throttle Jerkiness solved with clutching
G4 850 Snappy throttle/clutch engagement
G4 850 pDrive tech - A question of Engineering
G4 Steering
G4 850 Tuned Pipe @ 12.6 lbs and Muffler @ 15.4 lbs vs 800R and 800RE muffler weight
Longevity - 800R E-TEC 
Mikuni o-ring for carb float assembly - Arctic Cat part# 6505-875 or from Amazon and eBay
Muffler Red Hot
Off-trail riding for flatlanders
Oil versus Fuel consumption
Pictures - How to resize and upload to DooTalk
Pictures - How to post with the correct orientation
Pipe Pressure testing on a dyno
Pipe Pressure testing from LRD (#1) and (#2)
Pipe Pressure testing results from BRP
Power Loss - How to diagnose in the field
Power at the Crankshaft vs Track - BlueMax
Power Curves: 600 HOE (E-TEC)
Power Curves: 600 vs 800 vs 850 vs 1000 vs 1200
Power Curves: 1000 vs 800 vs 600
Power curves: 800RE 2010.5 to 2016 vs 2016.5 850
Quebec/NY State border crossing
REV Gen1 Gauge Display stuck on "SCALE"
REV Gen1 Volt and Temp Gauge install
REV Gen1 electrical connectors for sensors and MPEM (Multi Purpose Engine Module)
Seafoam for E-TEC injectors
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Ski-Doo Snowmobile Tech Training
Spark Plugs cracked
Squish - The limit
Squish - A discussion on head design
Stator and Relay Diagnostic 
Stator testing for E-TEC using a T harness/Bridge
Stator testing for 1200 4-TEC
Stator Removal on page 3
Stator replacement for a 1200 4-TEC
Suspension Adjustment
Triples - Coolant Pump Assembly
Y-Pipe bolts loosening fix


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Posted 06 February 2021 - 01:14 AM

Thanks for the reply! It did burn up the fuse last year. I did check the fuse again while i was checking the sled over and found it had no spark. I flipped the fuse upside down and reinserted it and it didnt seem to make a difference. Although that doesnt mean the holder that its going into is good. i'll check for power going in and out of it in the morning. The fuel pump is cycling when i hit the start button though, would the fuel pumps still cycle if the run relay wasn't getting power? I cant remember if the check engine light was flashing last year when the fuse blew. In the morning if it doesnt start and run, which i think it will, i'll pull the run relay and test power. 



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Posted 06 February 2021 - 01:51 AM

You are right, the fuel pumps won't prime if there is no power through the 30A fuse and Run Relay, but with enough draw on the fuse it can cut-out. The ignition coils consumer a lot of current. Take a close look at the terminals for fuse socket.
 
The thread below is specifically for the 30A fuse socket and how to unlock/remove the terminals from the socket so that you inspect and clean them. There 19 posts dedicated to working this part of the sled that includes videos for cleaning, crimping and proper solder technique. Post #2 is my own crimper and the 30A socket I spoke about.
 
Pick whatever temporary measure is needed to go riding. Heck I have no trouble twisting wires, and in a bind I would delete it trailside if it meant not walking home. So I will support whatever you choose. But I strongly suggest getting a volt gauge installed as soon as you can. The SDI will eat you alive when things start going wrong. It's actually no different than any other sled, but its reputation instills fear like no other sled.
 

How remove wire from SDI capacitor 30A fuse holder?
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Air/Fuel Ratio for 1200 with boost
Air/Fuel Ratio is measured through emissions
Wideband and EGT
Wideband readings of Air/Fuel Ratio on a two stroke
600 SDI MY2004 Lean/Hot spot running 6900-7000 rpm @ 40-45% Throttle Opening
800R Cranking Compression
800R Oil Injection / Premix combo
800R P-TEK Electrical Troubleshooting #1 and #2 
800R Turbo
850 Center Oil line for coolant pump melted
850 Main Oil line caught fire #1 and #2
900 ACE Turbo - muffler turning red hot
1200 4-TEC Mapping
1200 4-TEC MY 2009 to 2011 Fuel Line issues that could cause a fire
Batteries
Belt Blowers: Overview of UPMICHIGANDER's and Ronn's experience
BUDS 3.3.0 won't connect to SDI
BUDS not connecting to HO or SDI - Try a CanDoo
Crankshaft runout - maximum allowable specs 
CVT efficiency - BlueMax
Deep snow intake for XP chassis
Electrical - ECM drivers for Ignition Coils and E-TEC injectors 
Electrical - Diagnoses of a failed ECM
Electrical - 30A Battery Charging Fuse Socket Diagnoses and Relay
Electrical - Relay Coil Wine
Electrical - Relay Testing
Electrical - Battery Charging Relay Diagnostic 
Electrical - Troubleshooting with BRP video 
Electrical - Solder vs Crimp
Electrical - Diagram for Fanners on page 3
Engine Break-In 
Engine Weight 
E-TEC 600HO Clutching
E-TEC Oil Pump
E-TEC Dial-A-Jet
E-TEC Electric Start troubleshooting
E-TEC Engine Management
E-TEC eRAVE position code recurring
E-TEC Stator fault codes P1562 or P1563
E-TEC Capacitor Charge Hold Test and Residual Voltage Test
E-TEC Voltage Rectifier Regulator troubleshooting
E-TEC Power Fades are not normal and can be fixed
Fuel Issues: Could new Ester type oxygenated additives be deteriorating the Fuel Sender Grommet?
Fuel pump and regulator replacement for ACE, E-TEC and SDI
Gasoline quality and storage
Bad Gas for a Two Stroke - Is it a Myth ?
GNR CVT Alignment for the G4
Grip N Rip Clutch Alignment testing
G4 Clutch Alignment, Engine Movement, Sheave Runout and Clutching
G4 850 Throttle Jerkiness solved with clutching
G4 850 Snappy throttle/clutch engagement
G4 850 pDrive tech - A question of Engineering
G4 Steering
G4 850 Tuned Pipe @ 12.6 lbs and Muffler @ 15.4 lbs vs 800R and 800RE muffler weight
Longevity - 800R E-TEC 
Mikuni o-ring for carb float assembly - Arctic Cat part# 6505-875 or from Amazon and eBay
Muffler Red Hot
Off-trail riding for flatlanders
Oil versus Fuel consumption
Pictures - How to resize and upload to DooTalk
Pictures - How to post with the correct orientation
Pipe Pressure testing on a dyno
Pipe Pressure testing from LRD (#1) and (#2)
Pipe Pressure testing results from BRP
Power Loss - How to diagnose in the field
Power at the Crankshaft vs Track - BlueMax
Power Curves: 600 HOE (E-TEC)
Power Curves: 600 vs 800 vs 850 vs 1000 vs 1200
Power Curves: 1000 vs 800 vs 600
Power curves: 800RE 2010.5 to 2016 vs 2016.5 850
Quebec/NY State border crossing
REV Gen1 Gauge Display stuck on "SCALE"
REV Gen1 Volt and Temp Gauge install
REV Gen1 electrical connectors for sensors and MPEM (Multi Purpose Engine Module)
Seafoam for E-TEC injectors
Shortblock or Rebuild?
Ski-Doo Snowmobile Tech Training
Spark Plugs cracked
Squish - The limit
Squish - A discussion on head design
Stator and Relay Diagnostic 
Stator testing for E-TEC using a T harness/Bridge
Stator testing for 1200 4-TEC
Stator Removal on page 3
Stator replacement for a 1200 4-TEC
Suspension Adjustment
Triples - Coolant Pump Assembly
Y-Pipe bolts loosening fix


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Posted 06 February 2021 - 02:08 AM

Assuming it is not the 30A, then that leaves the ignition coil wires/plugs and engine ground. The kill switch is usually a problem to shut the engine, but to take it out of the circuit, simply unplug the RH connected at the center of the handlebar, and use the DESS key to kill the engine. The ignition coils are not a typical problem, so that leaves a bad wire/cap and ground. Other than that it will be testing the input voltage to the coil Violet/Grey wire.


Air/Fuel Ratio for two and four strokes
Air/Fuel Ratio for 1200 with boost
Air/Fuel Ratio is measured through emissions
Wideband and EGT
Wideband readings of Air/Fuel Ratio on a two stroke
600 SDI MY2004 Lean/Hot spot running 6900-7000 rpm @ 40-45% Throttle Opening
800R Cranking Compression
800R Oil Injection / Premix combo
800R P-TEK Electrical Troubleshooting #1 and #2 
800R Turbo
850 Center Oil line for coolant pump melted
850 Main Oil line caught fire #1 and #2
900 ACE Turbo - muffler turning red hot
1200 4-TEC Mapping
1200 4-TEC MY 2009 to 2011 Fuel Line issues that could cause a fire
Batteries
Belt Blowers: Overview of UPMICHIGANDER's and Ronn's experience
BUDS 3.3.0 won't connect to SDI
BUDS not connecting to HO or SDI - Try a CanDoo
Crankshaft runout - maximum allowable specs 
CVT efficiency - BlueMax
Deep snow intake for XP chassis
Electrical - ECM drivers for Ignition Coils and E-TEC injectors 
Electrical - Diagnoses of a failed ECM
Electrical - 30A Battery Charging Fuse Socket Diagnoses and Relay
Electrical - Relay Coil Wine
Electrical - Relay Testing
Electrical - Battery Charging Relay Diagnostic 
Electrical - Troubleshooting with BRP video 
Electrical - Solder vs Crimp
Electrical - Diagram for Fanners on page 3
Engine Break-In 
Engine Weight 
E-TEC 600HO Clutching
E-TEC Oil Pump
E-TEC Dial-A-Jet
E-TEC Electric Start troubleshooting
E-TEC Engine Management
E-TEC eRAVE position code recurring
E-TEC Stator fault codes P1562 or P1563
E-TEC Capacitor Charge Hold Test and Residual Voltage Test
E-TEC Voltage Rectifier Regulator troubleshooting
E-TEC Power Fades are not normal and can be fixed
Fuel Issues: Could new Ester type oxygenated additives be deteriorating the Fuel Sender Grommet?
Fuel pump and regulator replacement for ACE, E-TEC and SDI
Gasoline quality and storage
Bad Gas for a Two Stroke - Is it a Myth ?
GNR CVT Alignment for the G4
Grip N Rip Clutch Alignment testing
G4 Clutch Alignment, Engine Movement, Sheave Runout and Clutching
G4 850 Throttle Jerkiness solved with clutching
G4 850 Snappy throttle/clutch engagement
G4 850 pDrive tech - A question of Engineering
G4 Steering
G4 850 Tuned Pipe @ 12.6 lbs and Muffler @ 15.4 lbs vs 800R and 800RE muffler weight
Longevity - 800R E-TEC 
Mikuni o-ring for carb float assembly - Arctic Cat part# 6505-875 or from Amazon and eBay
Muffler Red Hot
Off-trail riding for flatlanders
Oil versus Fuel consumption
Pictures - How to resize and upload to DooTalk
Pictures - How to post with the correct orientation
Pipe Pressure testing on a dyno
Pipe Pressure testing from LRD (#1) and (#2)
Pipe Pressure testing results from BRP
Power Loss - How to diagnose in the field
Power at the Crankshaft vs Track - BlueMax
Power Curves: 600 HOE (E-TEC)
Power Curves: 600 vs 800 vs 850 vs 1000 vs 1200
Power Curves: 1000 vs 800 vs 600
Power curves: 800RE 2010.5 to 2016 vs 2016.5 850
Quebec/NY State border crossing
REV Gen1 Gauge Display stuck on "SCALE"
REV Gen1 Volt and Temp Gauge install
REV Gen1 electrical connectors for sensors and MPEM (Multi Purpose Engine Module)
Seafoam for E-TEC injectors
Shortblock or Rebuild?
Ski-Doo Snowmobile Tech Training
Spark Plugs cracked
Squish - The limit
Squish - A discussion on head design
Stator and Relay Diagnostic 
Stator testing for E-TEC using a T harness/Bridge
Stator testing for 1200 4-TEC
Stator Removal on page 3
Stator replacement for a 1200 4-TEC
Suspension Adjustment
Triples - Coolant Pump Assembly
Y-Pipe bolts loosening fix


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Posted 06 February 2021 - 06:35 AM

Well thank you very much for the information, i really do appreciate it. I'll go through and test the 30 amp fuse holder first. If that the doesn't cure it i'll unplug the kill switch and try that. I suppose a ground could be an issue but i tried to make sure the ones that i came acrossed were tight. Is there a print out of all the locations of the grounds? And one last question lol, where would this violet/grey wire be? going into the coil itself? and what should the input voltage be on the wire that i'm looking for? battery voltage or a lower voltage? Thank you for everything.



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Posted 06 February 2021 - 06:46 AM

The first thing is to check if both plugs are not firing or only one.


#1 The SDI uses a dual ignition coil like the E-TEC, so you need to check spark on both plugs.

#2 The ignition coil pack is robust.

#3 There is no known power connection issue with the Ignition Coil that I am aware of.

#4 If there is spark on one plug and not the other, then it is likely a connection issue, hopefully with a corroded/rotted plug wire or boot. Another possibility is arc'ing which is visible in the dark. The two other possibilities are an open in the ignition coil or an unseated wire at the ECM A plug. A problem with the last two will eventually cause the ignition coil driver in the ECM to fail. Any of the problems listed in #4 can be rooted out by swapping the coils at the connector. Sine there are two drivers in the ECM, and two ignition coils, one switch of the igntion coil wires will determine what component has failed, the driver or ignition coil.

#5 If there is no spark on both plugs, the CPS or wires to/from the CPS is likely at fault. Disconnect the CPS plug and test for 190-300 ohm at rest, and 1-2 Vac while cranking over the engine with the pull cord. If both results are good, then plug the CPS, disconnect the ECM A plug and repeat the two tests. Also make sure there is no sign of the two ECM A terminals being unseated. It will be pin #5 Yellow/White wire, and pin# 19 Blue/Yellow.

If the resistance test passes, but the voltage test fails, then there is something obstructing the CPS sensor. Remove the Magneto Flywheel for a visual inspection. Broken flywheel magnets are a real possibility, and it has happened that a piece of shattered earth magnet was caught on the CPS and no longer provided voltage.

In another case I troubleshooted with good resistance, the voltage and spark were sporadic/intermittent. The magneto flywheel was removed with no visible problem, leaving the crankshaft runout as the only possible cause. It is easy to diagnose by turning the engine over and looking at the distance between the CPS and triggers. Spec is ~ 0.028" +/-  which is not in any SDI or E-TEC shop manual. Spec is found by measuring different sleds and looking into older shop manuals. Note that I did not provide a specific +/- . This is because it is not that important. Closer is no problem as long a it does not touch the triggers. Farther is ok as long as the sensor still reads the

#6 This diagnostic list works for the 600/800/1000 SDI as they all work the same. The 600 has an inherent issue with the CPS due to the location of the  plug. The 1000 has a slightly different harness configuration for the CPS plug and seem less prone to failure, but it is a possibility to keep in mind.

#7 The 30A fuse socket I covered in one of my previous replies. The last time before I applied a permanent fix, it generated a Relay Coil Wine. Getting that kind of resonance is rare and probably be difficult to reproduce. I have only seen it one other time, years later on DooTalk and knew right away by the owner's description of a buzzing sound (click here for the case). Twice in 9 years with the first one being my own, so I doubt anyone will hear about this again for some time. However, this type of problem, even if it does not cause a coil wine, affects the relays which in turn creates radicals/surges in the ECM and other components. If a relay keeps burning, the voltage at the relay coil needs to be measured/monitored to find what is causing the power issue.

Also use a sealed relay for a permanent repair. Click here for a thread on where to acquire quality oem relays.
 
For Relay Troubleshooting, click here. This was for a 2011 800R E-TEC which had only one relay before BRP integrated the Battery Charging Relay into the ECM. BRP did this to eliminate failure points. BRP even deleted the fuse box with the fist MY2009 of the E-TEC, only to return with a sealed fuse box with the first G4 850 for MY2017. it is not something we need to change, buy rather to keep in mind. For example using dielectric grease for connections and applying a sealant for the splices will accomplish the same goal.

Edited by Daag44, 06 February 2021 - 06:47 AM.

Air/Fuel Ratio for two and four strokes
Air/Fuel Ratio for 1200 with boost
Air/Fuel Ratio is measured through emissions
Wideband and EGT
Wideband readings of Air/Fuel Ratio on a two stroke
600 SDI MY2004 Lean/Hot spot running 6900-7000 rpm @ 40-45% Throttle Opening
800R Cranking Compression
800R Oil Injection / Premix combo
800R P-TEK Electrical Troubleshooting #1 and #2 
800R Turbo
850 Center Oil line for coolant pump melted
850 Main Oil line caught fire #1 and #2
900 ACE Turbo - muffler turning red hot
1200 4-TEC Mapping
1200 4-TEC MY 2009 to 2011 Fuel Line issues that could cause a fire
Batteries
Belt Blowers: Overview of UPMICHIGANDER's and Ronn's experience
BUDS 3.3.0 won't connect to SDI
BUDS not connecting to HO or SDI - Try a CanDoo
Crankshaft runout - maximum allowable specs 
CVT efficiency - BlueMax
Deep snow intake for XP chassis
Electrical - ECM drivers for Ignition Coils and E-TEC injectors 
Electrical - Diagnoses of a failed ECM
Electrical - 30A Battery Charging Fuse Socket Diagnoses and Relay
Electrical - Relay Coil Wine
Electrical - Relay Testing
Electrical - Battery Charging Relay Diagnostic 
Electrical - Troubleshooting with BRP video 
Electrical - Solder vs Crimp
Electrical - Diagram for Fanners on page 3
Engine Break-In 
Engine Weight 
E-TEC 600HO Clutching
E-TEC Oil Pump
E-TEC Dial-A-Jet
E-TEC Electric Start troubleshooting
E-TEC Engine Management
E-TEC eRAVE position code recurring
E-TEC Stator fault codes P1562 or P1563
E-TEC Capacitor Charge Hold Test and Residual Voltage Test
E-TEC Voltage Rectifier Regulator troubleshooting
E-TEC Power Fades are not normal and can be fixed
Fuel Issues: Could new Ester type oxygenated additives be deteriorating the Fuel Sender Grommet?
Fuel pump and regulator replacement for ACE, E-TEC and SDI
Gasoline quality and storage
Bad Gas for a Two Stroke - Is it a Myth ?
GNR CVT Alignment for the G4
Grip N Rip Clutch Alignment testing
G4 Clutch Alignment, Engine Movement, Sheave Runout and Clutching
G4 850 Throttle Jerkiness solved with clutching
G4 850 Snappy throttle/clutch engagement
G4 850 pDrive tech - A question of Engineering
G4 Steering
G4 850 Tuned Pipe @ 12.6 lbs and Muffler @ 15.4 lbs vs 800R and 800RE muffler weight
Longevity - 800R E-TEC 
Mikuni o-ring for carb float assembly - Arctic Cat part# 6505-875 or from Amazon and eBay
Muffler Red Hot
Off-trail riding for flatlanders
Oil versus Fuel consumption
Pictures - How to resize and upload to DooTalk
Pictures - How to post with the correct orientation
Pipe Pressure testing on a dyno
Pipe Pressure testing from LRD (#1) and (#2)
Pipe Pressure testing results from BRP
Power Loss - How to diagnose in the field
Power at the Crankshaft vs Track - BlueMax
Power Curves: 600 HOE (E-TEC)
Power Curves: 600 vs 800 vs 850 vs 1000 vs 1200
Power Curves: 1000 vs 800 vs 600
Power curves: 800RE 2010.5 to 2016 vs 2016.5 850
Quebec/NY State border crossing
REV Gen1 Gauge Display stuck on "SCALE"
REV Gen1 Volt and Temp Gauge install
REV Gen1 electrical connectors for sensors and MPEM (Multi Purpose Engine Module)
Seafoam for E-TEC injectors
Shortblock or Rebuild?
Ski-Doo Snowmobile Tech Training
Spark Plugs cracked
Squish - The limit
Squish - A discussion on head design
Stator and Relay Diagnostic 
Stator testing for E-TEC using a T harness/Bridge
Stator testing for 1200 4-TEC
Stator Removal on page 3
Stator replacement for a 1200 4-TEC
Suspension Adjustment
Triples - Coolant Pump Assembly
Y-Pipe bolts loosening fix


#8 Daag44

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Posted 06 February 2021 - 07:01 AM

I see that you posted before my latest update. In hindsight I do not believe that you will need to focus on the Violet/Grey wire, but if you do it is the positive wire from the F9 fuse that feeds both fuel pumps and ignition coils. It is not a known issue and I do not even remember of one.
 
My previous reply is about everything I have on diagnosing the ignition coils with known/common issues. It is the same that I use for the E-TEC and for the most part with the carbs and vintage. I figure that anything else you need will be details on testing and how to confirm which component is at fault. It also does not serve to replace a shop manual, but rather as an appendix/guide of sorts. Let me know if you need anything else.


Edited by Daag44, 06 February 2021 - 07:02 AM.

Air/Fuel Ratio for two and four strokes
Air/Fuel Ratio for 1200 with boost
Air/Fuel Ratio is measured through emissions
Wideband and EGT
Wideband readings of Air/Fuel Ratio on a two stroke
600 SDI MY2004 Lean/Hot spot running 6900-7000 rpm @ 40-45% Throttle Opening
800R Cranking Compression
800R Oil Injection / Premix combo
800R P-TEK Electrical Troubleshooting #1 and #2 
800R Turbo
850 Center Oil line for coolant pump melted
850 Main Oil line caught fire #1 and #2
900 ACE Turbo - muffler turning red hot
1200 4-TEC Mapping
1200 4-TEC MY 2009 to 2011 Fuel Line issues that could cause a fire
Batteries
Belt Blowers: Overview of UPMICHIGANDER's and Ronn's experience
BUDS 3.3.0 won't connect to SDI
BUDS not connecting to HO or SDI - Try a CanDoo
Crankshaft runout - maximum allowable specs 
CVT efficiency - BlueMax
Deep snow intake for XP chassis
Electrical - ECM drivers for Ignition Coils and E-TEC injectors 
Electrical - Diagnoses of a failed ECM
Electrical - 30A Battery Charging Fuse Socket Diagnoses and Relay
Electrical - Relay Coil Wine
Electrical - Relay Testing
Electrical - Battery Charging Relay Diagnostic 
Electrical - Troubleshooting with BRP video 
Electrical - Solder vs Crimp
Electrical - Diagram for Fanners on page 3
Engine Break-In 
Engine Weight 
E-TEC 600HO Clutching
E-TEC Oil Pump
E-TEC Dial-A-Jet
E-TEC Electric Start troubleshooting
E-TEC Engine Management
E-TEC eRAVE position code recurring
E-TEC Stator fault codes P1562 or P1563
E-TEC Capacitor Charge Hold Test and Residual Voltage Test
E-TEC Voltage Rectifier Regulator troubleshooting
E-TEC Power Fades are not normal and can be fixed
Fuel Issues: Could new Ester type oxygenated additives be deteriorating the Fuel Sender Grommet?
Fuel pump and regulator replacement for ACE, E-TEC and SDI
Gasoline quality and storage
Bad Gas for a Two Stroke - Is it a Myth ?
GNR CVT Alignment for the G4
Grip N Rip Clutch Alignment testing
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Posted 06 February 2021 - 07:26 AM

In lieu of the encyclopedia written above, check the following:

Check the plug for the CPS between the mag cylinder and the coolant bottle. Check its wire for kinks, bends or pressure points.

Flip the fuse box over (it easily unclips) and carefully inspect all the wires and pins for corrosion or corroded off wires. (A very common issue).


An engine light comes from:

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I'd suspect the CPS due to the lack of spark. Since you didn't split the base then you had no reason to disturb the flywheel area or the CPS itself. Is the CPS wire pinched under the right rear engine mount?

Check that the TPS is actually plugged in all the way. That connection can be tricky at times to unclip or clip back into place.

Where are you located?





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Posted 06 February 2021 - 05:19 PM

Again, thank you for the plethora of knowledge and help. I got it up on the sled rack right now, pulled both plugs and it ended up having spark on both plugs. So spark has returned. I put the plugs back in and wires back on and the check engine light was still flashing and it still would not start. With that information i went ahead and just started checking connections. First thing i did was check the 30 AMP fuse we've been talking about, hit the button to power the system up and i did get an almost high pitch buzz noise from the fuse box. I'm assuming this is the noise you were talking about in your previous messages that you've only seen twice. I checked power at the fuse and on the back side of the holder going in and out and it was a good 12.8 volts. I let the system shut down and hit the button to replicate the noise but to no avail. tried to start it again, no go. So i pulled the muffler off to start checking the connections at the base of the engine and also see if i had pinched any wiring near the engine mount. The wiring seemed all plugged in and is tight but not pinched, in my opinion anyway where it all runs up near the coolant resevoir and the engine mount. For edit for bad language and giggles i hit the start button and the thing fired right up and is running like a raped ape. I am contributing that to the fact that the Exhaust Sensor is unplugged. Years ago we had it not start and took it to the dealer and that was the cause of it not starting as well and they had to replace it. Is it safe to ride it with the exhaust sensor unplugged? I'd like to ride it around the fields for a while to see if any other issues occur or act up you know? I dont see how that would cause it not to have spark and i'd like to ride it till the spark issue arises again so i can solve that too. Or can the Exhaust temp sensor cause a no spark condition? Im going to put the exhaust back on and leave it unplugged and tuck the harness out of the way for now and let it run for now. Again, thanks for all your help. And i'm located near Watertown, New York. I see your located in upstate new york. Whereabouts are you from?



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Posted 06 February 2021 - 05:38 PM

I should work with or without the muffler temp sensor plugged in. I think that you made a better connection when moving the wires around. Check to see if the connectors at the VR are well seated, then remove each plug for visual. Then check the voltage at the F11 fuse and then the Run Relay Red/White wire.  You getting close.


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#12 Dothedoo192

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Posted 06 February 2021 - 05:59 PM

Okay, will do. At this point and with your advice, i will undo, inspect and replug in all the connectors i can reach. The three at the bottom of the engine, the cps connector, and then from there i will check voltage readings at the F11 fuse and this red/white wire at the Run Relay your talking about, you mean the wire coming into the fuse block on the back side that goes into it. What voltage should i be seeing there?



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Posted 06 February 2021 - 06:11 PM

The EGT is your check engine light.

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Posted 06 February 2021 - 06:16 PM

The high pitched noise from the fuse box is probably a relay. Swap the relays around and see what happens.

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Posted 06 February 2021 - 06:18 PM

As far as the EGT Sensor goes, is oem still the best way to go? only reason i ask is because we have a close friend with an 850R i think it is, that was having egt sensor issues and he found a 30 dollar egt sensor through napa worked and got the job done for him. If thats a dumb idea i'll just order a new OEM one through ski-doo. I'm going to go check all the connections right now and voltages and will report back in an hour or so. Thank you guys!






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