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#1 1Evil55

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Posted 13 January 2021 - 02:11 PM

I have a set of RZ's on my Rev.  I am mostly trail riding in N. Wisconsin.  I love the ski when moving, less when going slow.  My question is what carbide everyone is using?  I know this is a bit like an oil thread but hoping for some common responses..  I don't know what is on currently as I bought them used with the carbides already on them.  After inspecting them last night I noticed chunks missing so time for replacement.  TIA



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Posted 13 January 2021 - 03:29 PM

I've owned a few different models of C&A's including Razors and have always used Shapers with them.

7.5" on the Razors and 6" on the last pair which were XCS's. 

I agree, they're great when moving forward at a decent pace but not so great when going slow, especially on hardpack. My biggest gripe was trying to turn while backing up from a stop, say in a gas station parking lot. Always felt like the like the bars or steering post were going to snap



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Posted 13 January 2021 - 03:31 PM

Thanks Z7.  Reverse is no joke.  Appreciate the feedback!



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Posted 13 January 2021 - 04:12 PM

your complaints on snow at low speed are much less of the carbide, but of the profile of the ski IMO. Its just a much more aggressive keel. With razors or any other aggressive keeled (square) ski, take a look at your ski track. If its snow you will clearly see the big swath of square surface, with a little tiny carbide indentation in the very center. I think you'd have similar feel with a straight up host bar as you would with a 6" carbide , but this is just my Opinion. Especially with the outer and inner keels that are very aggressive on some C&A like the XT ski or older XTX. Razors are a little less pronounced in that they arent squared edges on the outer keels compared to the two I just mentioned.

 

 

FWIW i ran the XTX ski's (way more aggressive than razors) on the Rev chassis. Trying to turn the bars when stopped was a mute point, felt like you wre going to snap the steering post as mentioned by somebody else. But it sure did handle like a slot car when moving.



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Posted 13 January 2021 - 05:00 PM

Yup I'm well aware that they basically are good for an arm workout only when stunting the parking lot.  Fortunately I don't sit still long.  They are velcro on trail.  Just need to find the right new bar...



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Posted 13 January 2021 - 05:50 PM

I've run Razor on my sleds since my '07 Rev. I always went with 6 or 8" Woody Trail Blazers or Executives depending on the sled.

 

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Posted 13 January 2021 - 07:06 PM

I had outlaw skis with shaper bars and it was great at 80, other than that was like doing 50,000 pushups in a day on the trail. Try taking some shock off on the fronts to ease downward pressure to get it to ease up.



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Posted 13 January 2021 - 07:58 PM

your complaints on snow at low speed are much less of the carbide, but of the profile of the ski IMO. Its just a much more aggressive keel. With razors or any other aggressive keeled (square) ski, take a look at your ski track. If its snow you will clearly see the big swath of square surface, with a little tiny carbide indentation in the very center. I think you'd have similar feel with a straight up host bar as you would with a 6" carbide , but this is just my Opinion. Especially with the outer and inner keels that are very aggressive on some C&A like the XT ski or older XTX. Razors are a little less pronounced in that they arent squared edges on the outer keels compared to the two I just mentioned.


FWIW i ran the XTX ski's (way more aggressive than razors) on the Rev chassis. Trying to turn the bars when stopped was a mute point, felt like you wre going to snap the steering post as mentioned by somebody else. But it sure did handle like a slot car when moving.


I agree the keel shape plays into it but I think the rocker, or lack thereof, is just as big of a factor.

Side by side with most factory skis these things are super flat, pretty much the entire length of the ski is on the snow.




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