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#31 TSFishGuyNL

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Posted 26 October 2020 - 09:43 AM

Let's back that up a bit.

So they will cruise around on their green machines becoming one with nature so peaceful and quiet. Maybe even feed a deer. Then when they get to their cabin they will fire up a few gas powered generators to charge the green machines.

Think about that.

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There has to be a huge fuel saving when charging an electric vehicle with a generator though, so it actually does make sense.

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Posted 26 October 2020 - 10:11 AM

Tech is improving rapidly for electric batteries but still will take years to perfect and build an acceptable charging and power infrastructure to handle large numbers of these vehicles. The pricing will also have to come on par with gasoline/diesel vehicles. Don't know if electric will be the answer for everything, think airliners, ocean freighters, heavy construction equipment and large tractor/trailers. It's coming but it will take probably like I said before, 10-20 years or more to become commonplace. At my age, I don't anticipate owning any electric rec or road vehicles before I depart this earth.



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Posted 26 October 2020 - 11:14 AM

I enjoy seeing it happen in my lifetime. I see a visible increase in the suburbs with cars plugged into homes, and charging stations showing up in small towns. I know someone personally who is working on building public charging stations all across Quebec. Maine is in the works to getting a new DC power lines from Quebec. Things are changing.


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Posted 26 October 2020 - 12:35 PM

I do not see electric snowmobiles being viable with the current level of battery tech available.  While a battery powered vehicle may work well in warm climates, battery capacity drops dramatically in cold weather.  The opposite happens with internal combustion engines - they develop more power with colder air.  

 

Electric snowmobiles would need to have a heated battery pack.  Which means it would have to be plugged in whenever not in use.

 

A 150hp electric motor & inverter would weigh more than a comparable output 2 stroke engine.  A large battery pack would weigh much more than 9-12 gallons of gasoline.



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Posted 26 October 2020 - 03:58 PM

I do not see electric snowmobiles being viable with the current level of battery tech available. While a battery powered vehicle may work well in warm climates, battery capacity drops dramatically in cold weather. The opposite happens with internal combustion engines - they develop more power with colder air.

Electric snowmobiles would need to have a heated battery pack. Which means it would have to be plugged in whenever not in use.

A 150hp electric motor & inverter would weigh more than a comparable output 2 stroke engine. A large battery pack would weigh much more than 9-12 gallons of gasoline.

Electric cars drop so much range from gasoline in the winter in the most part because electric needs battery power for heat instead of waste heat from an IC engine. And electrics sled probably wouldn't need to kick out near as much heat since the heaters heat the cold areas directly.

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Posted 26 October 2020 - 04:09 PM

    from my point of view...if there is a will of doing something....human being can do it.  the whole statement stands for :  IF !!! . that involves a lot of breaking some unwritten law's that would affect fuel factories lobbying,oil factories lobbying and lot of others. as for cars...it took an outsider that decided to shake the car business with his vision about electrification of cars to make the " big Gamer's " react . the had already built one that was amassing back then ...but due to lobbying and other outside pressure ,decided to destroy them all even if all the person's that had them for a while loved those car's. ( ev1 project ).  if i can have in my backyard,as every one has, some little garden light that works with a AA battery recharged by a thin solar panel, i feel it is possible to produce a sled that would be electrified and running big miles. just thinking out loud here....how about having cab panels build with a material that would have the ability of catching solar energy that would recharge a battery, and two small alternator/generator on the front shaft of the track and one in the back shaft of the track that would recharge the battery while you ride....   :rolleyes:  :rolleyes: . i think i am to much of a dreamer....it would in my mind take an outsider,just like it did with car business,that would shake the trees so things move on. who knows...as one posted before...i don't think i will be riding one before i breath my last puff of air and goes ridding with missing friend's that have already left so i will keep enjoying the sled's i have and try to be less polluting the environment that bring me so much joy...for me and follower's that will keep going !!!             so "  LET IT SNOW and enjoy great riding all dootalk member's "       :righton  :dance:


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Posted 26 October 2020 - 04:14 PM

I would not hold your breathe, while waiting for these sleds to be in full production. Taiga is a tech company. Shows lots of prototypes and renderings. They that way try to get some funding and keep that hype going on. Same thing like in many kickstarter projects, that never get to see the daylight in the end. 

Oh I am not holding my breathe for them, I prefer gas powered.


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Posted 26 October 2020 - 04:17 PM

Electric snowmobiles will be here, be it in my lifetime or my sons lifetime. Technology will need a breakthrough to get the range but 

Isn't it Yellowstone that says "you can ride any sled you want here...as long as it's a 4 stroke and on our list of acceptable snowmobiles? :)

I will not be surprised if Yellowstone, or other areas during my lifetime, change to say "You can ride any sled you want here...as long as it's an electric and it's on our list of acceptable snowmobiles."

Maybe it starts with hybrid snowmobiles, who knows?

 

Electric vehicles don't fit my needs yet but if they offered a 4wd pick up that got 500+ miles per charge that would (and will) get my attention.

If I go through 2,000 gallons of diesel annually that's 10,000 gallons over 5 yrs. If over the next 5 yrs the avg cost/gal is $3 that equates to $30,000 in fuel not having to be spent along with the associated maintenance of a fuel vehicle.

 

Maybe not my lifetime, but in my son's lifetime I believe electric will be the norm. Moore's law was generally accurate for 50+ years (give or take) for computers, whose to say the same can't happen for electric vehicles going forward?


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Posted 26 October 2020 - 05:09 PM

People were building their own EV cars and pickups 20 years ago. Guy from Vaudreuil, QC build his own EV with his Sunfire beater for daily commute to downtown Montreal. The cost for the conversion was $10K CND.


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Posted 26 October 2020 - 06:17 PM

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I enjoy seeing it happen in my lifetime. I see a visible increase in the suburbs with cars plugged into homes, and charging stations showing up in small towns. I know someone personally who is working on building public charging stations all across Quebec. Maine is in the works to getting a new DC power lines from Quebec. Things are changing.[/quote. Quebec cant really be part of an electrical vehicle conversation daag. No province has or will have the kind of cheap power produced by damming 5 major rivers and altering an area the size of New York State. But that was almost 50 years ago, and Quebec is nearing 80% of they’re reserve capacity. Electricity is an amazing power source, but it takes another form of energy to produce it, it has very high transmission losses, is temperature sensitive and can’t really be stored. Ontario pays New York State to take excess power produced by the failed green energy project, because wind turbines on Lake Ontario make lots of power during the night when demand is low. And a lot of those turbines will never be even break even in carbon cost, because they were built with massive amounts of fossil fuels. How are we going to change over without the capacity? How will enough power be produced? Maybe the 35 million tons of coal Canada exports a year should be kept here to make power. Right.

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Posted 26 October 2020 - 06:42 PM

There enough waste to power NA for a century.


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Air/Fuel Ratio for 1200 with boost
Air/Fuel Ratio is measured through emissions
Wideband and EGT
Wideband readings of Air/Fuel Ratio on a two stroke
600 SDI MY2004 Lean/Hot spot running 6900-7000 rpm @ 40-45% Throttle Opening
800R Cranking Compression
800R Oil Injection / Premix combo
800R Turbo?
850 Cente Oil line for coolant pump melted
850 Main Oil line caught fire #1 and #2
900 ACE Turbo - muffler turning red hot
1200 4-TEC Mapping
1200 4-TEC MY 2009 to 2011 Fuel Line issues that could cause a fire
Batteries
Belt Blowers: Overview of UPMICHIGANDER's experience
BUDS 3.3.0 won't connect to SDI
BUDS not connecting to HO or SDI - Try a CanDoo
CVT efficiency - BlueMax
Deep snow intake for XP chassis
Diagnoses
E-TEC 600HO Clutching
E-TEC Oil Pump
E-TEC Dial-A-Jet
E-TEC Electric Start troubleshooting
E-TEC Engine Management
E-TEC Stator fault codes P1562 or P1563
E-TEC Capacitor Charge Hold Test and Residual Voltage Test
E-TEC Voltage Rectifier Regulator troubleshooting
Fuel Issues: Could new Ester type oxygenated additives be deteriorating the Fuel Sender Grommet?
Fuel pump and regulator replacement for ACE, E-TEC and SDI
Gasoline quality and storage
Bad Gas for a Two Stroke - Is it a Myth ?
G4 Clutch Alignment, Engine Movement, Sheave Runout and Clutching
GNR CVT Alignment for the G4
Grip N Rip Clutch Alignment testing
G4 850 Throttle Jerkiness solved with clutching
G4 850 Snappy throttle/clutch engagement
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G4 850 Tuned Pipe @ 12.6 lbs and Muffler @ 15.4 lbs vs 800R and 800RE muffler weight
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Pipe Pressure testing on a dyno
Pipe Pressure testing from LRD (#1) and (#2)
Pipe Pressure testing results from BRP
Oil versus Fuel consumption
Power Loss - How to diagnose in the field
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Power Curves: 600 HOE (E-TEC)
Power Curves: 600 vs 800 vs 850 vs 1000 vs 1200
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Stator testing for E-TEC using a T harness/Bridge
Stator testing for 1200 4-TEC
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Posted 26 October 2020 - 07:16 PM

Lots of great points in here. It is always about profit for energy companies. They could care less about the environment unless it costs them money. My take would be to build 10 Nuclear power plants in N Dak. Build all new infrastructure on tax payer money. Give everyone cheap or free electricity in NA.

I just watched a documentary on Tar Creek. Lithium is kind of the same way in its mining techniques. That precious Tesla battery was probably mined in Afghanistan. And we all know that story. Shame.

Battery tech will make great leaps but right now it is a very crude and destructive process.

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Posted 26 October 2020 - 09:28 PM

My neighbour has 2 Tesla’s. They are fairly well off, living on the waterfront and being empty nesters.both have good jobs. Those two Tesla’s cost around $140k beaver bucks. He swells with pride when he talks about zero emissions and the great rebate he got from the government, about $25,000 roughly. But he doesn’t get the whole picture at all. Some of that rebate came from taxes on people that can barely afford food and hydro, let alone an new car. A diesel powered car carrier delivered it to him, diesel powered equipment mined the materials and powered the factory to build it. Diesel powered equipment builds all the infrastructure.The batteries in it used about 200,000 litres of water to make them, they’re charging system uses fossil fuels to produce the power, the range on them in good weather will only get them to Toronto, and then they will sat in a restaurant while it charged up enough to get to there friends place to give it a full charge. With the heat and defrost on they couldn’t get there. The worst part is that women and children and the most vulnerable in the world are mining,often 15 hours a day. The water table is being destroyed in some South American countries forever to make batteries. And then I see these people burning wood to heat there house. You know, the ambiance and comfort. And because of they’re astronomical hydro bills likely. The elephant in the room is where the country is going to get the hydro power to electrify our society. Energy is like horsepower, there is no free lunch. It will make the tar sands look like a pimple.


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Posted 26 October 2020 - 10:11 PM

Are you against mining rare earth minerals in general, or just the abuse of women and children in mining ?

What if the U.S. significantly increases rare earth mining ?

Not against mining at all, but most of the worlds cobalt is in the Congo. There aren’t much in the way of rules there, so yes, I think it’s abhorrent that the most vulnerable are doing practically slave labor so China and a few other countries can get the raw materials to make batteries. Wasn’t very long ago people boycotted companies that used cheap third world labour to make clothes and shoes. Then it was water that was the issue. Now people don’t care as long as they can get a shirt for $10 and post about they’re low carbon lifestyle on Facebook. Electrification will just be a different way to wreck the environment.

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Posted 26 October 2020 - 10:14 PM

Not against mining at all, but most of the worlds cobalt is in the Congo. There aren’t much in the way of rules there, so yes, I think it’s abhorrent that the most vulnerable are doing practically slave labor so China and a few other countries can get the raw materials to make batteries. Wasn’t very long ago people boycotted companies that used cheap third world labour to make clothes and shoes. Then it was water that was the issue. Now people don’t care as long as they can get a shirt for $10 and post about they’re low carbon lifestyle on Facebook. Electrification will just be a different way to wreck the environment.


I believe mining rare earths in the USA is going to expand greatly very soon. And I’m in favor of that




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