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#61 Ski Dog

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Posted 25 October 2020 - 07:27 PM

I'm not 100% sure on this but l think Russ Lemke (RLE Enterprises) took a Rotax 800 triple and put it in a Rev chassis around 2005.

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Posted 25 October 2020 - 08:05 PM

Yes, he did. Believe Chris Bondi made a kit also. Saw one on display at haydays a number of years ago.

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Posted 25 October 2020 - 10:28 PM

No reason a 900 etec couldn't fit where a 900 ace goes. Maybe blister the hood like the 98+ srx for the pipes.

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Posted 26 October 2020 - 04:19 AM

There are high HP, heavy, three cylinder sleds available, they are called Cataha ThunderWinders or something like that.

 

Especially for those promoting the longevity of the triples should just stop whining and go get one of those...

 

I wouldn't hesitate a second if I just wanted a fast sled for groomed trails and lakes, I would get a turbo Yamaha immediately! Or perhaps just as new a stock Apex I could find, they are excellent smooth trail sleds with plenty of power and speed.

 

I have had one triple sled in my life, a -96 Polaris Ultra, and I wouldn't take one of those if it was given to me. Ridiculous fuel consumption, twin 600 class power and always something going wrong.... I probably changed more pistons and spark plugs on that crapomobile than I have on all the other sleds I have owned since put together. And I had friends with Mach Zs that also bought spark plugs by the box just to be certain they could ride the entire weekend.


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Posted 26 October 2020 - 08:21 AM

There are high HP, heavy, three cylinder sleds available, they are called Cataha ThunderWinders or something like that.

Especially for those promoting the longevity of the triples should just stop whining and go get one of those...

I wouldn't hesitate a second if I just wanted a fast sled for groomed trails and lakes, I would get a turbo Yamaha immediately! Or perhaps just as new a stock Apex I could find, they are excellent smooth trail sleds with plenty of power and speed.

I have had one triple sled in my life, a -96 Polaris Ultra, and I wouldn't take one of those if it was given to me. Ridiculous fuel consumption, twin 600 class power and always something going wrong.... I probably changed more pistons and spark plugs on that crapomobile than I have on all the other sleds I have owned since put together. And I had friends with Mach Zs that also bought spark plugs by the box just to be certain they could ride the entire weekend.

All easy fixes tho

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Posted 26 October 2020 - 09:34 PM

There are high HP, heavy, three cylinder sleds available, they are called Cataha ThunderWinders or something like that.

 

Especially for those promoting the longevity of the triples should just stop whining and go get one of those...

 

I wouldn't hesitate a second if I just wanted a fast sled for groomed trails and lakes, I would get a turbo Yamaha immediately! Or perhaps just as new a stock Apex I could find, they are excellent smooth trail sleds with plenty of power and speed.

 

I have had one triple sled in my life, a -96 Polaris Ultra, and I wouldn't take one of those if it was given to me. Ridiculous fuel consumption, twin 600 class power and always something going wrong.... I probably changed more pistons and spark plugs on that crapomobile than I have on all the other sleds I have owned since put together. And I had friends with Mach Zs that also bought spark plugs by the box just to be certain they could ride the entire weekend.

a twin of that era could have been just as lousy as your Ultra. a 670 made maybe 5hp more than the Ultra, so it performed acceptably by the standards of the day. A twin pipe 700 cat wasn't much more. the Redhead triple that came out in 97 was also in the same hp range. Real 700 hp started to enter the market in 98 with the XC 700, SRX700. I think 99 was the 670 HO and the reintroduction of the ZR700, now a single pipe. 
My point is, in 96, there wasn't much better to be had.

Chewing through spark-plugs is a weak ignition. It has nothing to do with the number of spark-plugs beyond that you have 50% more to foul.
I also found Champion Powers-ports plugs cured my plug muncher before a replacing the engine with one that had a properly functioning ignition cured it the proper way.



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Posted 26 October 2020 - 10:30 PM

I loved my triple triple xcr 600, it had a wicked top end speed, my buddies 670 was no slouch, but it could not keep up.

IMO the extra weight of the triple contributed to a much better handling at high speed.


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Posted 27 October 2020 - 03:57 AM

Hmm, interesting.
I've had many many twins and triples right up to the newer Rev rider forward sleds.
Of course the latest are great in all trail conditions and easy on the back but the new stuff have no personality and all look the same even from brand to brand. You used to be able to tell what brand and model your looking at from a 1/4 mile away.
There's nothing interesting enough to make me buy another new one and I was kinda waiting for a 1200 HO that never came so I acquired several triple triples. I only ride groomed trails, the rivers and lakes near me.
I don't ride sleds on their tail like I'm on a SEA-DOO TRIX unfortunately that's the trend lol.

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Posted 27 October 2020 - 06:22 AM

I agree with you and it's no different in today's auto industry, all of the cars today look like a bar of soap and if they didn't have emblems on them nobody would know what brand they were looking at. Geesh, l'm starting to sound just like my dad, LOL!!

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Edited by Ski Dog, 27 October 2020 - 06:25 AM.

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Posted 27 October 2020 - 07:30 AM

a twin of that era could have been just as lousy as your Ultra. a 670 made maybe 5hp more than the Ultra, so it performed acceptably by the standards of the day. A twin pipe 700 cat wasn't much more. the Redhead triple that came out in 97 was also in the same hp range. Real 700 hp started to enter the market in 98 with the XC 700, SRX700. I think 99 was the 670 HO and the reintroduction of the ZR700, now a single pipe.
My point is, in 96, there wasn't much better to be had.
Chewing through spark-plugs is a weak ignition. It has nothing to do with the number of spark-plugs beyond that you have 50% more to foul.
I also found Champion Powers-ports plugs cured my plug muncher before a replacing the engine with one that had a properly functioning ignition cured it the proper way.

My buddy picked up a 98 xc 700 with some engine work. That sled really boggies an has 0 trouble keeping up with the news sleds.

I remember when my cousin had a mid 90s polaris storm 800 with after market exhaust. That was one fast sled an kept pulling hard. The only draw back was you had to jet the thing every time you took it out.

The coolest triple iv seen is 250 hp all motor arctic cat thunder cat 900. The owner of this sled brother works for speed werks an has alot of reaching an development done to this sled.

My dream sled still is a 2001 mach z 800 i think they are one of the best looking sleds ever.

I dont see why doo dosent do a limited edition mach z build . The most expensive part would be designing the engine an development but really they could take the 850 ( a very well proven an solid engine i might add) an work off that platform. I dont think weight would be an issue an mpg should be pretty good since the engine has to work much less harder vs a twin lol well until you open them up lol. Now a turbo triple would be really hard to beat lol.

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Posted 27 October 2020 - 07:51 AM

I agree with you and it's no different in today's auto industry, all of the cars today look like a bar of soap and if they didn't have emblems on them nobody would know what brand they were looking at. Geesh, l'm starting to sound just like my dad, LOL!!

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Posted 27 October 2020 - 10:53 PM

My buddy picked up a 98 xc 700 with some engine work. That sled really boggies an has 0 trouble keeping up with the news sleds.

I remember when my cousin had a mid 90s polaris storm 800 with after market exhaust. That was one fast sled an kept pulling hard. The only draw back was you had to jet the thing every time you took it out.

The coolest triple iv seen is 250 hp all motor arctic cat thunder cat 900. The owner of this sled brother works for speed werks an has alot of reaching an development done to this sled.

My dream sled still is a 2001 mach z 800 i think they are one of the best looking sleds ever.

I dont see why doo dosent do a limited edition mach z build . The most expensive part would be designing the engine an development but really they could take the 850 ( a very well proven an solid engine i might add) an work off that platform. I dont think weight would be an issue an mpg should be pretty good since the engine has to work much less harder vs a twin lol well until you open them up lol. Now a turbo triple would be really hard to beat lol.

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I've often thought while riding my sled with my buddies that there would be no way any of us would be keeping up with my SRX 600. Newer sleds aren't faster. They are just more comfortable. My knees will gladly take that 10mph hit through the twisties.

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Posted 28 October 2020 - 01:55 PM

Please let me know when there is a new triple triple in the market. Meanwhile, I keep enjoying this...

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Posted 28 October 2020 - 04:26 PM

Doo sure isnt going to feel the need to compete with the sidewinder when it can't be sold in Canada. I do think they'd sell more than a couple 900etec 3x3s.





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