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#1 Dman800

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Posted 21 September 2020 - 02:17 PM

I have a chance to pick up a used system from Force Turbos for pretty cheap. I do all my own work and have the capability to install it, I think. From what I gather, everything is there besides clutching my. Owner used it up to 12 psi boost on AV gas. Obviously, I’m not running it at that amount around Wi. I rarely ride trails either. Probably running 3-4 psi on pump gas according to the owner. I have a fresh motor to put it on.

I can’t imagine there are too many of these around anymore or were ever even made. Now I have include a disclaimer: I don’t care to hear “don’t do it” or “it’s gonna blow”. My sled seems to blow even without the turbo but I have that all worked out. Please respond if you have actual FIRST hand knowledge of these kits and advice, tips, or things to check are always appreciated.

It will going on my 2010 XRS extended to 146/2.25” track.

I’ve emailed Force to get some of their insight. I’ve read the basics that apply to the Etec turbo but can’t find anything PTek specific.

Thanks all.

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Posted 21 September 2020 - 09:39 PM

What will you do for fuel? Carbs work off of engine vacuum pulling fuel through the jets. Turbos will obviously create pressure, lowering the amount of fuel going in. As far as I'm aware, the only way to get at und this is to build a box to pressure the entire carb, or put the carb before the turbo.

Either way I'm excited for this and expect pictures!

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Posted 22 September 2020 - 12:37 AM

Can’t comment on the Force setup or running a turbo on a Ptek. But have run plenty of turbos in other sleds. In the low elevation of the Midwest good luck running Straight pump gas at 3-4 PSI. It will run better and be safer with a 50/50 mix of pump and race fuels.

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Posted 22 September 2020 - 07:27 AM

I am in luck. Force Turbos actually responded to my email! Awesome. They are getting me installation instructions and are will to help along the way.
The current owner removed the entire kit from his sled to sell the turbo separate. I am hoping all the components are there. Force will be reviewing the pics in order to see what is exactly there, making sure nothing is gone.

As for fuel, the owner is the one who said it will run pump gas and had some seat time around here with low boost, but primarily out west. Force actually seemed genuine that it will work well in low elevation. I asked some family pointed questions about how this will perform for flatlanders. If not, I’ll have weigh the costs and hassle of high octane gas in to the equation.
Things are looking better and better. Even yesterday I was on the fence about this project.

Edited by Dman800, 22 September 2020 - 07:28 AM.


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Posted 26 September 2020 - 06:04 PM

Here’s a couple pics of the complete setup. If someone is an expert, let me know if it appears everything is there.
I do not have it in my possession yet.

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 10:03 PM

Looks awesome! I'm still curious how fueling will work. Will you be running a wide band o2 sensor?

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Posted 03 October 2020 - 08:21 AM

In the first picture I see the gauge and sensor for a Wideband. From the other two gauges, I would guess one for the boost and the other for fuel pressure.


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Posted 03 October 2020 - 10:22 AM

Ya I just zoomed in more and see it. I'm excited for this. I wouldn't mind building a turbo setup for a sled in the future

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Posted 03 October 2020 - 09:25 PM

I bought the kit today!
Here’s couple pics. It has a boost, air/fuel ratio, and fuel pressure gauges. There are a couple things I need to figure out with vents and hoses. Things are coming along at least.

A coupe questions, forgive me if I am a rookie. It needs a 3 psi wastegate for sure. So what does a boost controller do or can that be added in place of the spring? Would be nice if I was able to adjust easier. Maybe this is too old for the fancy stuff.
On the carbs, what is hooked up to the small vents close to the top of the carbs. There’s 2 open ports.

There is a fuel pressure regulator that has the intake and exit, but has a 3rd hose from the top. It appears it’s a vacuum or vent. There’s is vent off the end of the BOV also. That may be the line coming from the fuel pump regulator.

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Posted 04 October 2020 - 05:51 AM

Basically I was told to follow all Bryce’s instruction and it will turn out really well. From all the reading I’ve done on snowest, there’s many more positive results than negative.

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Posted 04 October 2020 - 08:29 AM

Turbo carbs were a hot ticket item in the 90s.

Have you gotten all of the instructions?

Is it using the P-TEK components?


Air/Fuel Ratio for two and four strokes
Air/Fuel Ratio for 1200 with boost
Air/Fuel Ratio is measured through emissions
Wideband and EGT
Wideband readings of Air/Fuel Ratio on a two stroke
600 SDI MY2004 Lean/Hot spot running 6900-7000 rpm @ 40-45% Throttle Opening
800R Cranking Compression
800R Oil Injection / Premix combo
800R Turbo?
850 Cente Oil line for coolant pump melted
850 Main Oil line caught fire #1 and #2
900 ACE Turbo - muffler turning red hot
1200 4-TEC Mapping
1200 4-TEC MY 2009 to 2011 Fuel Line issues that could cause a fire
Batteries
Belt Blowers: Overview of UPMICHIGANDER's experience
BUDS 3.3.0 won't connect to SDI
BUDS not connecting to HO or SDI - Try a CanDoo
CVT efficiency - BlueMax
Deep snow intake for XP chassis
Diagnoses
E-TEC 600HO Clutching
E-TEC Oil Pump
E-TEC Dial-A-Jet
E-TEC Electric Start troubleshooting
E-TEC Engine Management
E-TEC Stator fault codes P1562 or P1563
E-TEC Capacitor Charge Hold Test and Residual Voltage Test
E-TEC Voltage Rectifier Regulator troubleshooting
Fuel Issues: Could new Ester type oxygenated additives be deteriorating the Fuel Sender Grommet?
Fuel pump and regulator replacement for ACE, E-TEC and SDI
Gasoline quality and storage
Bad Gas for a Two Stroke - Is it a Myth ?
G4 Clutch Alignment, Engine Movement, Sheave Runout and Clutching
GNR CVT Alignment for the G4
Grip N Rip Clutch Alignment testing
G4 850 Throttle Jerkiness solved with clutching
G4 850 Snappy throttle/clutch engagement
G4 850 pDrive tech - A question of Engineering
G4 Steering
G4 850 Tuned Pipe @ 12.6 lbs and Muffler @ 15.4 lbs vs 800R and 800RE muffler weight
Pictures - How to resize and upload to DooTalk
Pictures - How to post with the correct orientation
Pipe Pressure testing on a dyno
Pipe Pressure testing from LRD (#1) and (#2)
Pipe Pressure testing results from BRP
Oil versus Fuel consumption
Power Loss - How to diagnose in the field
Power at the Crankshaft vs Track - BlueMax
Power Curves: 600 HOE (E-TEC)
Power Curves: 600 vs 800 vs 850 vs 1000 vs 1200
Power Curves: 1000 vs 800 vs 600
Power curves: 800RE 2010.5 to 2016 vs 2016.5 850
Quebec/NY State border crossing
REV Gen1 Gauge Display stuck on "SCALE"
REV Gen1 Volt and Temp Gauge install
REV Gen1 electrical connectors for sensors and MPEM (Multi Purpose Engine Module)
Seafoam for E-TEC injectors
Shortblock or Rebuild?
Ski-Doo Snowmobile Tech Training
Stator testing for E-TEC using a T harness/Bridge
Stator testing for 1200 4-TEC
Stator replacement for a 1200 4-TEC
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Y-Pipe bolts loosening fix


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Posted 04 October 2020 - 08:48 AM

Nope. No instructions. Bryce can’t find them. Between here, snowest, the Turbos Only Facebook group, should be plenty of ideas and knowledge on how to get it to run right. Lots of old info on snowest.Yes, all Ptek components.

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Posted 04 October 2020 - 11:58 AM

A couple more pics.
The power jets are hooked up to the Carb bowl.

Included is a fuel pressure regulator to run 3 psi over boost level so I’m told.

As for No fitting on the top of the carb, there’s been some discussion about run-on but I’m just going on how the previous owner used it.

For the Rave, there is also some back and forth on them, either pinning the rave up, or not. A lot seem to be bypassing the electronics and just using pressure. People sometimes drill a hole in the base of the valve mount and calling it the Rave Valve mod for use without the hooked up to the solenoid. (I think)

Since I don’t have my sled yet, I’ve just been reading and reading about fuel ratios, fuel pressures, and other settings. Maybe I should jot down some notes.

I was told to punch another vent hole in the gas tank to manage the fuel system venting since it flows out at a higher pace with the fuel pump.

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Posted 04 October 2020 - 03:38 PM

I appreciate the fact you are doing your own research for me. You sure don’t have to do that! Once I get my sled, things will come together.

Can’t find a 3 psi wastegate anywhere unless I go adjustable right off the bat for $75. Found a 4 psi but that’s the smallest. Probably just get the adjustable in case I want to go to higher boost if I splurge on some 110.

I also saw some intake mods to keep the intake filter inside the sled rather than hanging out the top panel and susceptible to clogging with snow. Without the big factory air box, and additional venting, I can’t imagine the under hood temp being too warm. A few guys have done it with success, others swear it has to be on the outside. So many different ways to skin a cat I guess.

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Posted 04 October 2020 - 04:47 PM

More info: the actual make and model of the turbo is:

Garrett M24, AR .6. Has some other numbers stamped in it that appear to be part or serial numbers.




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