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#1 waterx

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Posted 06 September 2020 - 11:07 AM

Looking at picking up a new renegade. All ways been a 2 stroke guy but the 900ace turbo has peeked my interest a bit. Anyone have seat time on both the turbo and 850 renegades. I have an 850 summit and love the motor. Just curious the difference between the 2.
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Posted 06 September 2020 - 12:08 PM




I think it's been discussed already but should still be an interesting read

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Posted 06 September 2020 - 12:11 PM

What i have picked up reading is that if you ride wide fast trails then the turbo might be right, if the trails are more tight then go 850. A7 has owned them both so he might give he's opinion.



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Posted 06 September 2020 - 12:43 PM

Last year I was able to get some seat time on a TNT 850, an X 850 & the 900T all during the same day.

For me I liked the more planted feel of the turbo's front end.

I did purchase a 900T XRS


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Posted 06 September 2020 - 12:46 PM

850 is lighter. 900 turbo gets better mileage and should last longer. People argue back and forth about speed and quickness, but in the New York shoot outs the 900 turbo is a tiny bit faster.


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Posted 06 September 2020 - 01:24 PM

cruiser vs racer, 900 is smooth, 850 is ringy dingy, if you want to hammer bumps take an 850, if you want to fly take the 850, I prefer the 900 all day long.



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Posted 06 September 2020 - 01:29 PM

I owned both machines last winter. Simple answer is the 850 feels light and playful and the turbo is smooth and planted. If you off trail at all get the 850. Both sleds were stock and speed was almost identical. If you want a faster sled get the 900 and throw a mild tune at it and have fun. I compare the 850 to a classic muscle car from the late 60s louder and a little ratty but in a good way. The 900 Turbo is more like new Porsche smooth quiet but sneaky fast! Both are great sleds but I chose a new 900 Turbo Xrs this season and plan to tune it because I enjoyed the refined quiet smoothness of the 900Turbo.


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Posted 06 September 2020 - 02:16 PM

I owned both machines last winter. Simple answer is the 850 feels light and playful and the turbo is smooth and planted. If you off trail at all get the 850. Both sleds were stock and speed was almost identical. If you want a faster sled get the 900 and throw a mild tune at it and have fun. I compare the 850 to a classic muscle car from the late 60s louder and a little ratty but in a good way. The 900 Turbo is more like new Porsche smooth quiet but sneaky fast! Both are great sleds but I chose a new 900 Turbo Xrs this season and plan to tune it because I enjoyed the refined quiet smoothness of the 900Turbo.


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I've owned both and agree 100%. I absolutely love the 900T!!!!

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Posted 06 September 2020 - 05:55 PM

Quite a few people have voiced a disappointment with the feel of the throttle in past years. I am curious to see there are fewer complaints with the 2021. I like the sound and reliability of the four strokes. Did not care for the weight of my 1200 however. It was a hard sled to ride quickly on tight and twisty trails.

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Posted 06 September 2020 - 09:47 PM

I have never experienced much difference in the 2 throttles



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Posted 06 September 2020 - 09:56 PM

900T:
Pulls like a diesel pickup, tons of torque and is very linear. You can tell there is some extra weight up front, but it makes for a very nice trail machine.
Pro’s: no 2 stoke oil, excellent reliability, can run on 87octane without major issues, no smelly exhaust. Will run cooler in marginal snow conditions. Can put down some nice gains with a few hundred bucks in a tune.
Cons: Front of the machine is heavier, have to change engine oil, not as much snap as the 850(in stock form)

850:
Pulls like a mustang, it is very snappy. When you squeeze the flipper, it responds and will put a smile on your face.
Pro’s: Throttle response is excellent, very snappy. Sled is lighter, less engine components, no engine oil to change.
Cons: have to deal with injection oil, exhaust smell, low resale with higher miles, engine reliability is less than perfect. Seems to run hotter in marginal snow conditions.

All in all, they are both great machines, if you plan to put more than 2000 miles a year on, go 900T, the 850 won’t have much resale and your running on borrowed time after year 4.

In the end, you really need to ride both, as they are that different. The thing with the 900T is it’s sneaky fast. It pulls very linear vs the peaky 850.

My vote goes to the 900T based on reliability and not to have to worry about 2 stroke oil.

I think in the next 5-10 years we will see some if not all of the 2 strokes loose market share to the 4 strokes. Similar to what happened in the marine outboard maket.

Edited by Djetski225, 06 September 2020 - 10:03 PM.


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Posted 06 September 2020 - 10:03 PM

After a weekend of switching back and forth between the two , I’ll take the 850 . For twisty trail riding it’s a lot more responsive stock to stock when riding corner to corner. fuel mileage was the same between the two sleds, always within a dollar of each other at the pumps.(xrs renegade 850, and adrenaline 900t) . 900 is definitely more sled to through around when the trails get tight . On the lake was pretty even . 850 seemed to have a little more top end . I ordered a 21’ xrs gade 850


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Posted 07 September 2020 - 12:59 AM

I doubt the share between 2S and 4S will change much in the next 10 years. The market has already adjusted with owners that are continually  going back and forth between the two.
 
For the 850, expect to keep seeing more of them reach 15,000+ miles with next season 18,000+ . The price of an engine replacement drops as the initial R&D cost is accounted for. It has already dropped by around a couple thousand, and currently $600 more than an 800. Not bad for the added miles. It is also $1,300 less than the 900 turbo.
 
I don't see the oil being a problem, short or long term. It's currently getting 700-900 miles to a tank when ridden moderately. Once BRP gets them back to where they were, I expect around 1000 to 1200. Heck that would cover the week for the 2021 Maine DooTalk ride. Those who ride harder with only 350 to 400 miles per tank, I don't think they really care, but they would get around 500 to 550.

 

For elevation, the 850 already has a turbo.

 

The prediction for the disappearance of 2S in snowmobiles has been going on for 40 years and it still holds the greater share of the market. Maybe it will happen when Yamaha takes 50% of the market or Honda begins to build snowmobiles lol
 
BRP has a good recipe for both 2S and 4S that I don't see changing much for the next 5 years. The ones that will gain market share will be battery powered.


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Posted 07 September 2020 - 06:29 AM

The group of guys I ride with are going away from the heavy 4 stroke! Been there done that. Cat 4 stoke with 250 plus HP gets old and very heavy on Long days on ruff trails! Nobody wants to be on the 4 stroke with 3 foot chop? We have 2 guys with ski doo turbo and with tunes and they are maybe a little more top end speed? But slower out of the hole. Turbo is still around 50 lbs heavy and all on the front skis! 


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Posted 07 September 2020 - 07:11 AM

Modified suspension front and rear for 2021. It’ll be interesting to see what that does for the 900T. 






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