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#1 Joefixit

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Posted 20 August 2020 - 10:35 PM

Hello everyone
This is my first post on this forum. And while I have searched this topic a fair bit I can not come up with info on my specific situation.
I am looking to get a new machine for this coming winter. The use will be mainly for ice fishing. Most importantly getting my overly heavy (800lbs)) ice shack off the ice in March.
i have been lucky in years passed that we have not had to much snow that my quad has been able to pull my ice shack off the ice, as my only other option is a 380 fan cooled touring E that struggles greatly to pull the shack and I am sure prolonged use like that will be asking for trouble.
I live in central Saskatchewan where we do not get huge amounts of snow but there certainly can be a couple feet of snow on the ground and more banked by the shores.
Now my question to all of you is, would a swt be better suited for heavy towing then a wt in shallow snow or is a wt still a major towing beast and will pull perfectly fine? around here a utility sled with low range is a very rare unit. I do not personally know anyone with a unit to see how well they tow.
Most of the people I talk to around here (who also never rode large heavy work sleds) say that the 24 wide is way over kill and I would not be happy.
Have people bought the 24 wide and wished they gone 20?
Would the 20 be better in shallow snow vs the 24?
Am I thinking way over kill and a tundra would be fine?

Thanks to who ever made it reading this far and look forward to your comments.

#2 18000HP

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Posted 21 August 2020 - 12:21 AM

If you`re pulling a heavy ice shack and needs maximum traction, 24 inch track machine is the way to go.

 

You definitely get more traction with a 24 in. track.


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Posted 21 August 2020 - 01:35 AM

I have never been happy with the results of a wider vs longer or deeper lug track. I understand that your question is with a wide vs wider track, but in my opinion there isn't anything simple about the comparison. I recently came across what seemed to be a good explanation for both, so I would consider this carefully.
 
For an unrelated and purely anecdotal story, I once did a trail race with my 16" long track against my cousin with on his SWT 600 HOE. He outperformed me so bad that it was an embarrassment, or rather a proud win for him lol  Had I not seen it, I would never have believed a SWT could perform so well with the right driver.
 
What I can tell you from my experience, there is a big difference in application such as deep power snow, layered snow, footprint, pounds per sq inch, front end weight, overall/carrying weight, ski width, and lug height.
 
Lug height/depth is one if not the most important things for traction.
 
For footprint and traction, consider how snowshoes are selected. There is width, length and traction. The heavier the person, the wider the snowshoe. The deeper the snow, the greater the length. The greater the incline, the greater the length and traction.
 
The common paddle tracks in my region only 10 years ago was two to maybe two and half inches. Today this has changed to two to three inch paddle tracks!  I have found the change remarkable in only a decade. I have seen the same kind of change on trail with the 1 1/4 becoming standard and the studs growing ever longer to make use of the increase in power.
 
I have seen much improvements in the last 20 years with all sleds running across my yard from trail to WT, to SWT to the longer mountain sleds.


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Posted 21 August 2020 - 03:02 AM

If you use the sled for anything else, I would go with the normal WT and if you drag over ice, stud it up.

 

 

The reason I say this, is some people think the SWT gets un-comfortable to ride long distances because of the extra 4" your legs are spread.

 

But, that said, my step-son had a SWT with the etec 600 and it was a lot of fun to ride because it just floated everywhere and could pull just about anything.   I drove it for about an hour and could easily see that riding it for long distances, I would probably side-saddle once in a while just to give the hips a break.



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Posted 21 August 2020 - 05:18 AM

The SWT is not for everyone or all conditions, the wt's are more nimble, easier to handle than the sw, deeper lugs can compassionate for a wider track in deep snow but i'm not into trenching up my trails, this why it's all SWT for me


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Posted 21 August 2020 - 06:29 AM

I’d go for a 20 inch expedition with studs or studded track.
I upgraded my 2020 expo to the 1.5 ice track, could tow a house.
The track I went with....
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Posted 21 August 2020 - 08:17 AM

Wow thank you everyone for the fast responses.  I didn't think this many people would be like me thinking about snowmobiles in August.

TheBearAk, you brought up a good point about the SWT machines that does have my girlfriend concerned.  When she comes riding, (already has made it quite clear she will be on the skandic I will be on the old touring E) has expressed concerns about riding a Clydesdale.

NewfieBullet it sounds like you have a 20 wide and have no problem towing what you want with it.



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Posted 21 August 2020 - 09:20 AM

Wow thank you everyone for the fast responses.  I didn't think this many people would be like me thinking about snowmobiles in August.

 

Think again, i got one gased up on standby 24/7 12 months a year! :D


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Posted 21 August 2020 - 09:23 AM

I love my SWT, but if I didn't live in Labrador, where we do get a lot of snow with very little freeze-thaw cycles during the winter, I would definitely prefer a 20" track. 

 

Even here, a 24" is overkill for most people, and a 20" track will be more than sufficient in the majority of cases. 

 

In Sask, where you don't have a lot of snow, and for ice fishing, where you'll mostly be on a lake, I would definitely chose a 20" and put in some studs. 



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Posted 21 August 2020 - 03:57 PM

Joe, we pretty much pretend to like summer, and some of us aren't even good at that.....



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Posted 23 August 2020 - 06:32 PM

Joe, we pretty much pretend to like summer, and some of us aren't even good at that.....

True!! :lol:


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Posted 25 August 2020 - 05:52 AM

I should be getting my 2021 expo LE soon ,still have not decided if or what track to go to .I am trading in my summit ,and loved the 2.5 track ,till getting in low snow conditions then it sucked .

    Come on winter  :wub:



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Posted 27 August 2020 - 07:35 PM

I have a 2019 Expy SWT and absolutely love the machine.  Yes, it is wide and I do occasionally feel it in the hips but I keep amazing myself with how much that beast will pull.  Last fall I put cold kutters in the track and it improved everything about the machine except for a little more track noise.  I have a logging sleigh and inadvertently went through a nasty slush patch towing the sleigh with a partial load.  The SWaT just kept paddling along never really making me think I would get stuck.  After 4800km in two seasons, I am pretty sure when I am ready to replace the SWaT, it will be with another SWT.  Yes, the SWT is probably overkill for the riding I do but it is an awesome machine.

 

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Posted 28 August 2020 - 10:51 AM

Well you guys certainly are not making this an easy one sided decision. About the only thing that seems for sure is that a 16 wide tundra is a no go for that amount of weight as no one even talked about that option.
Anyways thank you again everyone for all the responses.

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Posted 28 August 2020 - 11:04 AM

I can honestly say it's been close to 20 years since i sat my arse on a 16 incher


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