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#16 worm250r

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 08:46 PM

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 08:56 PM

 
I'm not following the Sport being detuned from the 500ss, in the sense that I thought a 500ss was a 500ss, unless you are referring to when the designation changed to a 600 carb or in 2012 when it got the E-TEC head? Either way I think they are both good engines, the 500SS/600Carb Short Stroke, and 600HO Carb/SDI/E-TEC Long Stroke.
 
Tell me more about the 2014 600HOE. Was there any hesitation in the low rpm range like 5000-5500? I found all years of the 600HO Carb and SDI were good (preferably the 04 SDI), but the 13+ 800RE had a funny hesitation in this low part throttle range that I ride a lot in. I can always change the ramps or helix to increase the load in this range, but I would rather buy&ride and keep those things stock if it works.

 

I thought the 2008 500SS dynoed at 114hp: https://amsnow.com/n...-tnt-snowmobile  But then because of the EPA and burndowns at some point it got new jetting and ignition timing?  I've never ridden a newer one but my 08 and 09 were fun to ride.  They were both geared down 1 tooth, and one had some bolt-ons.  

 

My 2014 600E ran smoothly around 5,500 RPM.  No hesitation, and that would be 50mph or so.  I wouldn't call it snappy but it would move well after the exhaust valves opened up.  I figured it was tuned for max mpg because at a steady 5,500 RPM the economy gauge would often read over 25mpg.  It's hard for me to ride faster when I see 25 MPG flashing on the screen, that's far better than most 4-strokes do.



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Posted 31 July 2020 - 11:48 PM

I thought the 2008 500SS dynoed at 114hp: https://amsnow.com/n...-tnt-snowmobile  But then because of the EPA and burndowns at some point it got new jetting and ignition timing?  I've never ridden a newer one but my 08 and 09 were fun to ride.  They were both geared down 1 tooth, and one had some bolt-ons.  
 
My 2014 600E ran smoothly around 5,500 RPM.  No hesitation, and that would be 50mph or so.  I wouldn't call it snappy but it would move well after the exhaust valves opened up.  I figured it was tuned for max mpg because at a steady 5,500 RPM the economy gauge would often read over 25mpg.  It's hard for me to ride faster when I see 25 MPG flashing on the screen, that's far better than most 4-strokes do.

 
I would guess if a 500SS measured 114Hp, then a 2009 600HOE would be near 120-125Hp. I think it's closer to 105. The max power out of the 600s (Cat, Doo, Poo) gets interesting from 2015 and on where they eventually reach the same power as the 600R. Pretty cool to see the FI 600s started at 115 and creep-ed up to 125. 10 ponies is a large increase for a 600, so you can see why BRP never sold the later years as a higher performers until the 600R was released. It made perfect marketing sense. For the 600HOE this seems to happen with MY2018 (600HOE) which would make for an interesting competition with MY2018.5 (G4 600R). My guess is the 600HOE would loose until it was fitted with even clutching.
 
It's good to hear there was no hesitation at 5500 rpm. I should have said 5000 instead of giving a range, because that's where the hesitation was on the 800. Is there any power fade? I heard the stars need to be aligned to keep max power.
 
25 mpg is impressive. Would it translate to an average of 18 mpg? I wouldn't mind making 200-300 miles per quart. I could go for a 3 day ride and still have over a 1/4 tank to spare.


Edited by Daag44, 01 August 2020 - 12:23 AM.


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Posted 01 August 2020 - 12:00 AM

I thought the 2008 500SS dynoed at 114hp: https://amsnow.com/n...-tnt-snowmobile  But then because of the EPA and burndowns at some point it got new jetting and ignition timing?  I've never ridden a newer one but my 08 and 09 were fun to ride.  They were both geared down 1 tooth, and one had some bolt-ons.  

 

My 2014 600E ran smoothly around 5,500 RPM.  No hesitation, and that would be 50mph or so.  I wouldn't call it snappy but it would move well after the exhaust valves opened up.  I figured it was tuned for max mpg because at a steady 5,500 RPM the economy gauge would often read over 25mpg.  It's hard for me to ride faster when I see 25 MPG flashing on the screen, that's far better than most 4-strokes do.

 

Ha ha... I don't remember that article.. but Rich's dyno must have been on Steroid for that run.   Have you ever looked at the ports on a 500ss or have you ported one?  A ported one with a cut head and V-Force Reeds could hit 114/115 hp with the timing bumped.  There is no way a stock 500ss would make that kind of horsepower.   It is not happening.. 



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Posted 01 August 2020 - 05:02 PM

I've had a bunch of the so called 500SS engines sine 1999. Loved them. But, they detuned them around 2012,  I bought a '13 and hated it. No longer a crisp throttle response and about a 25% cut in mpg.

 

As for the rear shocks in the Renegade, the non re build high pressure HPG's.   I can only give my experience.   13,000 miles on my 19 Renegade and 16,000 miles on my '16 Renegade. Zero shock problems.  Near the end of last season I swapped with someone with the same '19 Rene with 800 miles on his. We could not tell any difference in ride between mine over his, though mine had 12,200 more miles than his.


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