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#1 worm250r

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Posted 30 July 2020 - 06:21 PM

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I’m looking to upgrade from my 2016 MXZ 600 sport to either a MXZ 600 e-Tec or Renegade 600 e-tech in the XS chassis. I know the G4 is far superior but out of price range and don’t want to finance.

Searching craigslist and FB marketplace I see at least double the amount of MXZ 600’s compared to the renegade. Do they make more MXZ’s? Are the Renegade 600’s not a popular sled or do the people that have them generally hang on to them? I’m pretty small guy at 5’6 130lbs so I think the 600 will be fine.

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Posted 30 July 2020 - 07:32 PM

The 600 Etec has good power. Easy on belts. The difference between the Z and Gade is really only 3.5 of track on the ground. For turning purposes the Z doesn't push in the corners like the Gade. It is marginal cornering difference but does exist. Most guys looked at the traction vs weight vs tunnel length for Linq bags etc. The Z is good, the Gade is good. Get what you like. Don't over think it.

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Posted 30 July 2020 - 08:25 PM

If you are comparing MXZ TNT to Renegade Adrenaline, one thing to note is that the TNT has HPG + rear shocks which are rebuildable vs the std HPGs on the Gade that are not.   

 

I personally like the 2 LINQ clips that you get on a Renegade.    Thats enough reason for me to go with the longer version.  


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Posted 30 July 2020 - 08:58 PM

In 13/14/15/16 you could get the MXZ XS with a 120" track in which case it's more like 8" of track difference on the ground vs a renegade.  Do you like your current 120" track?  I had a 14 MXZ 600 E-tec last season and never wished it had a longer track.  It always got 20+mpg, handled well, and the 4.5 gallon LinQ Sport bag I used on it had enough room for me.  My buddy (who bought that MXZ off me this Spring) also has a G4 renegade which he uses the 10.5 gallon LinQ bag on it... most of that space he stuffs with towels.  



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Posted 31 July 2020 - 06:40 AM

That is a bummer about the renegade rear shocks being standard HPG and not rebuildable? How long do they typically last? I bought the MXZ sport 600 new and have 5,200 miles on it now. I did have to replace the rear track shock once because it got moisture in it and would freeze and stick. Replaced it at 3K miles. Previous sled was adrenaline MXZ 600, I’ve never had good suspension so I don’t know what I’m missing I guess. I put around 5,400 Miles on my 08 MXZ 600 sdi and then 5,200 on my 16 MXZ sport 600. I wouldn’t mind trying something a little different and going with the Renegade because sometimes I do wish I had longer track. Probably ride trails 70% on The Hill then friend has 100 acres around Highmarket we play on off trail. I’ve found about 3 renegades for sale in what I’m looking for vs. about 6-7 MXZ’s.

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 08:23 AM

That is a bummer about the renegade rear shocks being standard HPG and not rebuildable? How long do they typically last? I bought the MXZ sport 600 new and have 5,200 miles on it now. I did have to replace the rear track shock once because it got moisture in it and would freeze and stick. Replaced it at 3K miles. Previous sled was adrenaline MXZ 600, I’ve never had good suspension so I don’t know what I’m missing I guess. I put around 5,400 Miles on my 08 MXZ 600 sdi and then 5,200 on my 16 MXZ sport 600. I wouldn’t mind trying something a little different and going with the Renegade because sometimes I do wish I had longer track. Probably ride trails 70% on The Hill then friend has 100 acres around Highmarket we play on off trail. I’ve found about 3 renegades for sale in what I’m looking for vs. about 6-7 MXZ’s.

Do yourself a favor and send all 4 shocks to Ian @ Monster.  This was hands down the best upgrade I made on my 600.



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Posted 31 July 2020 - 09:05 AM

I have 3 600 Gades in the Garage if that tells you anything.  :)



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Posted 31 July 2020 - 10:09 AM

Thanks for all feedback guys! I would like to send the fronts to Ian yes but if I get an adrenaline the rest can’t be revalved I guess. Probably always find a set on marketplace or eBay later though. Even though the renegade is heavier than my MXZ sport and longer, will it still feel slightly preppier than my 600 sport? I was fine with power of sport just wondering if I’d notice a difference is all. Thanks everyone.

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 11:48 AM

 Even though the renegade is heavier than my MXZ sport and longer, will it still feel slightly preppier than my 600 sport?

 

I don't think the E-tec feels peppier than either of the two 500ss's that I've owned.  But I hear the Sport is a bit detuned from the 500SS, so you should be happy overall. 



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Posted 31 July 2020 - 02:44 PM

I don't think the E-tec feels peppier than either of the two 500ss's that I've owned.  But I hear the Sport is a bit detuned from the 500SS, so you should be happy overall.

 
I'm not following the Sport being detuned from the 500ss, in the sense that I thought a 500ss was a 500ss, unless you are referring to when the designation changed to a 600 carb or in 2012 when it got the E-TEC head? Either way I think they are both good engines, the 500SS/600Carb Short Stroke, and 600HO Carb/SDI/E-TEC Long Stroke.
 
Tell me more about the 2014 600HOE. Was there any hesitation in the low rpm range like 5000-5500? I found all years of the 600HO Carb and SDI were good (preferably the 04 SDI), but the 13+ 800RE had a funny hesitation in this low part throttle range that I ride a lot in. I can always change the ramps or helix to increase the load in this range, but I would rather buy&ride and keep those things stock if it works.

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 03:24 PM

I think if you look at the 600 Etec from it's introduction in 2009 to now it has been pretty constant in power output at 115 to 117 horsepower. One can check Dynotek Research for that info.  The 500ss or old 600 2 stroke - non HO was always somewhere between 105 and 109 horsepower.   I suspect the slightly longer/heavier track renegade with the 600 Etec will feel about the same as your current shorty with the 500ss,  Maybe slightly better depending on clutching... but it should be similar, I would not worry about that as a few simple clutch changes will make it feel stronger if it actually isn't

 

I think if I was doing this; I would buy a 600RS race sled that had been converted to trail use.  Better shocks and more power with a deeper lug track.  You can have the good shocks valved softer if that has not already been done; And were it me, I would probably pull the TMX race carbs off and put on a set of rack TM40's on for better fuel consumption.. These sleds can be pickup for a pretty fair price one or two year old.  

 

And if I were 130 lbs I would definitely go with a shorty..   if you go with a 600RS, you could get the 128/129" track which is a good compromise.  


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Posted 31 July 2020 - 04:44 PM

I have looked at the 600RS but I’m still very hesitant even if it’s trail converted. I didn’t mind the 600 carb but it definitely didn’t start as easy as the 600 SDI did or run as smooth. I also had issues sometimes when I would pull the choke up on the first start up of the morning with the choke sticking up and having to ride the sled until it warmed up enough for the choke to drop back down.

Oh really? Every time I think I have my mind made up in what to get I read I read something and start second guessing myself. I really want to try a renegade but you is think it might to be too heavy for someone my build/size?

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 06:08 PM

I worked on the 600RS with the XP chassis to make it back to race. Really powerful in race mode, but I wouldn't consider it a trail sled like the other 600s I am used to working on. Hard to explain, but if you get one I think you'll get what I mean. Maybe the later years were different, I don't know. If I ever go back to carbs it will be one with fuel compensation, but I probably won't go back to any carb other than those with a knock sensor. The later 600HOE have a good bump in power.



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Posted 31 July 2020 - 07:23 PM

I appreciate everyone’s input. I think for some a trail converted RS maybe a good option but for me I’d rather just stick with the 600 E-tec. I don’t mind doing maintenance at all and with help of friends do all my own but I don’t want to be constantly tinkering. Just trying to decide between 129 and 137.

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Posted 31 July 2020 - 08:17 PM

I appreciate everyone’s input. I think for some a trail converted RS maybe a good option but for me I’d rather just stick with the 600 E-tec. I don’t mind doing maintenance at all and with help of friends do all my own but I don’t want to be constantly tinkering. Just trying to decide between 129 and 137.

 

I got back into sledding when I quit drag racing.  Think it was 1997 and I bought a dealer salesmans person sled which was a spring introduced 1996 670.  Then in 99 got a 99 Summit 670X and a 99 MXZ 600 (the SS50 engine) which I rode here in Michigan.  I think 1999 and 2000 were a couple of the most fun seasons I had, as about 4 or 5 of us had 99 MXZ 600 and we were racing and trail riding together... Always doing something to our sleds to one up our buddies.  Then in 2001 and 2002 we all got MXZ 800's and I don't think it was as much fun, maybe we broke too many parts, ha ha.. not sure.  Anyway got an MXZ 600 ETEC in 2009 when they first came out. They started good and were unbelievably smooth..   But felt like they were lacking a bit of power.  So it was buy a pipe, cut the head and clutch, then it after 

it because known that they ran pretty rich, we would up porting.  And it was almost ok.  Next the 600 ETEC engine and parts came out and a 600 RS crankcase with 700 ported cylinders when in with rack carbs. That was good. and ran that for a few years, when if that's good then a 770 has to be better.  So Big John put ported 800HO cylinders on the 600RS crank case and that was about nirvana... had a two XP's one shory and one mountain sled with 770's.  They were pull and go sleds.  If the choke cables are in good shape and routed right  and you are jetted correctly, these engines with a 800R Summit single pipe were bullet proof and would run or out run most 800R's.  But as mentioned, these were pull and go engines, put the choke on, one pull and they are running click the choke to half choke for about 30 seconds and no more choke required the rest of the day.  Then the hankering came for a Gen 4 so a summit x 850 it was.  But seems like we are back to more trail riding then cross country, so picked up a 200 mile 2019 Gen4 shorty.  

 

Anyway, enough of that, sounds like you know what you want - just deciding on track length..  At your weight, (wish I was even close to it ha ha) I would go with the 129.  But only you can make that decision.  Either way, I doubt you can go wrong.   

 

Daag; I think all of the 800R MPEM have knock sensor connection and all you have to do is have the correct wire harness and screw the knock sensor to the head.  Ha ha  want to know where the two on my 770's are? Tie strapped hanging in the air so they never retard the timing.. when I don't want it retarded.  Just run good fuel...add a little race gas to pump premium.. We all have different ideas, needs and wants.  

 

Worm250r, wish you all the happiness with the new sled you select.. you are going to make the correct choice... for you!  






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