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#16 smurfy71

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Posted 18 June 2020 - 08:55 AM

The guy said the engine was long blocked by the dealer two years ago so I would assume they would have done the crank update. And its within that price range.

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#17 Shak92

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Posted 18 June 2020 - 07:32 PM

Maybe I should wait for a bit until I see a renegade or something with a 600 SDI. Obviously I wouldn't be able to ride it for a few months.

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Posted 18 June 2020 - 10:57 PM

From the type of riding you plan to do, I think a 600 renegade would be a good pick. The 600 sdi HO is very noticeably faster than the formula 500. My brother used to have a 583 and I would totally leave him in the dust. I have a 1.75 inch track on mine, but the 1.25 should be fine around edmonton. If you think you might be taking the sled to the mountains, then you might consider an 800 summit with a 2"+ track, but for around your area I feel a renegade would be a better choice.

 

If you're patient and keep looking something should come up. Look for something with low km if possible. As said earlier in this thread, a sled with 7,000 km on it may need some work unless it has been meticulously maintained. Shocks would be ready for replacement or rebuilding if they haven't already been replaced ( and they're not cheap). 

 

In 2015 I picked up a 2005 Renegade X with about 700 km on it for $5,000. a guy bought it for his wife and she hardly put any miles on it. it's been a fantastic sled. I have about 4,000 km on it now and plan to keep it as a spare when I get my new one this fall. 

 

I've seen these types of sleds with low km (3,500 km or less) come up for $3,500. 

 

Keep looking and good luck!



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Posted 18 June 2020 - 10:58 PM

From the type of riding you plan to do, I think a 600 renegade would be a good pick. The 600 sdi HO is very noticeably faster than the formula 500. My brother used to have a 583 and I would totally leave him in the dust. I have a 1.75 inch track on mine, but the 1.25 should be fine around edmonton. If you think you might be taking the sled to the mountains, then you might consider an 800 summit with a 2"+ track, but for around your area I feel a renegade would be a better choice.

If you're patient and keep looking something should come up. Look for something with low km if possible. As said earlier in this thread, a sled with 7,000 km on it may need some work unless it has been meticulously maintained. Shocks would be ready for replacement or rebuilding if they haven't already been replaced ( and they're not cheap).

In 2015 I picked up a 2005 Renegade X with about 700 km on it for $5,000. a guy bought it for his wife and she hardly put any miles on it. it's been a fantastic sled. I have about 4,000 km on it now and plan to keep it as a spare when I get my new one this fall.

I've seen these types of sleds with low km (3,500 km or less) come up for $3,500.

Keep looking and good luck!

True i have seen renegades with a 600 sdi pop up in that price range.

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Posted 20 June 2020 - 12:22 PM

Correction; I have 6,400 km on the sled now. The odometer is in miles (4,000). Just sent the shocks out to get rebuilt this spring. They were getting pretty rough. I couldn't keep up with the others. This sled still looks pretty close to showroom condition. The previous owner kept it inside an enclosed trailer. I don't have an enclosed trailer but I always keep a cover on it when not in use. 

 

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Posted 25 June 2020 - 10:07 PM

Decided against looking at any summits and to hold off until a renegade came up on Kijiji.

That paid off as today I came across a 2007 Renegade X with a 600 SDI on Kijiji. They are asking $4500. Might try to take a look next chance I get.

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Posted 25 June 2020 - 10:15 PM

Decided against looking at any summits and to hold off until a renegade came up on Kijiji.

That paid off as today I came across a 2007 Renegade X with a 600 SDI on Kijiji. They are asking $4500. Might try to take a look next chance I get.

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Decided against looking at any summits and to hold off until a renegade came up on Kijiji.

That paid off as today I came across a 2007 Renegade X with a 600 SDI on Kijiji. They are asking $4500. Might try to take a look next chance I get.

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Why would you want a Gade over a Summit? Alberta has some prime mountain riding. Guarantee you will want to hit the mountains in a few years after you get board. 141 or 151 summit with 2 inch paddles will do everything. Most of the gung ho Gade dudes are flatlanders.


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Posted 27 June 2020 - 09:59 PM

I live in Alberta too. I had an 800 renegade for riding at home and a summit for when I went to the mountains, both rev chassis. My first trip to the mountains was on my renegade actually. Both sleds work in both situations but each have their advantages.

 

I really loved the renegade for an all around sled with a 136 X 1.75 track. It did decent in the mountains for what it was. Having it the bar most of the time to try and keep ground speed up was key. At 260lbs plus gear it wasn't a fan of going slow without trenching till it was stuck. It worked awesome in the ditches and fields and would still hit 160 KPH in the right conditions. Easily do 100 KPH in fields, rivers and down the ditches.  Could ride 99% of the year with no issues of over heating. Handled trails very well with the wider stance and good through the bumps with the rear suspension and jumping approaches. After Ian at Monster Performance did the shocks it was incredible the difference.

 

The summit does fine if there is decent snow or it will overheat because of the short cooler on them. Scratchers help but still have to have decent speed behind you to work. When the wife would ride my summit at home she would normally make it about 10-15 minutes before she would get close to over heating because of her slower riding pace. Gotta love the added temp gauge for that. The narrow stance does make it more playful in the snow for carving and getting on one ski. Due to my size I find the summit suspension very soft, the renegade did fade too as I beat on it but better out of the box. With some mods the summit will shine in the mountains and will be right with the XP/XM sleds. A couple more mods and they will be there with the G4 sleds too but then they start loosing their Alberta abilities. 

 

It sounds weird to most but I find that the full length renegade cooler works better even with a track extension than a summit with the proper cooler. So an extended renegade with a summit skid and a-arms might be the perfect combo for you. My triple swapped rev renegade (stock renegade cooler with a 174") runs cooler down the trail than my 2007 880 bigbore with stock cooler (159 tunnel with a 162" track) and that both with scratchers. It works noticeably better that I have considered putting a spare renegade cooler into the summit.

 

I also have a set of new summit a-arms, 162 X 2.5" challenger extreme track and a 159 summit xrs skid with a big wheel kit if you decide to go that way. Probably would want the 800 engine for that tho. 600CC engine may give different results tho, all my sleds have been the 800.

 

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 11:00 PM

If you find a summit in your price range-buy it.

I have a renegade 600 with a few mods including a 1.75” track but honestly a summit would be better. I thought the do it all nature of the renegade would be perfect, but out west, we don’t do trails. It’s fields, tree lines and blown in ditches and trips to the mountains when time and $$ allow. Even in blown in fields and ditches you will ride the sled like Summit-steer with your body-not the bars.

Trust me, once you start learning to lean that thing over there’s no going back! It’s the extra wide MXZ ski stance that holds you back on a renegade and the inability to go with a bigger lug track. A 600 Summit is a blast and usually much cheaper than an 800 but your weight might be a factor. I’m 145 lbs. which helps my hang with the 800’s to about 90% when hp takes over. But, the 600 lower power makes it more forgiving and easier to learn on. More power is always nice but sounds like your just learning and more isn’t always better.

The extra tippy nature of a summit sucks on trails and the lack of skid wheels means use your scratchers, but if that’s the 10% of riding that gets you into a play area don’t sweat it. Bottom line, I think I ride where and how you intend to and I would buy a Summit the next time.


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Posted 06 August 2020 - 07:12 PM

I’d go for the 600 summit still plenty of fun and more reliable 🤘
My 800 went pretty fast compared to the 600’s

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Posted 06 August 2020 - 10:41 PM

If you find a summit in your price range-buy it.

I have a renegade 600 with a few mods including a 1.75” track but honestly a summit would be better. I thought the do it all nature of the renegade would be perfect, but out west, we don’t do trails. It’s fields, tree lines and blown in ditches and trips to the mountains when time and $$ allow. Even in blown in fields and ditches you will ride the sled like Summit-steer with your body-not the bars.

Trust me, once you start learning to lean that thing over there’s no going back! It’s the extra wide MXZ ski stance that holds you back on a renegade and the inability to go with a bigger lug track. A 600 Summit is a blast and usually much cheaper than an 800 but your weight might be a factor. I’m 145 lbs. which helps my hang with the 800’s to about 90% when hp takes over. But, the 600 lower power makes it more forgiving and easier to learn on. More power is always nice but sounds like your just learning and more isn’t always better.

The extra tippy nature of a summit sucks on trails and the lack of skid wheels means use your scratchers, but if that’s the 10% of riding that gets you into a play area don’t sweat it. Bottom line, I think I ride where and how you intend to and I would buy a Summit the next time.


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Precisely. Ski stance has everything to do with trail vs off-trail. I learned it the same way you did, but out East lol  Funny thing about off-trail, it typically conjures the riding in Colorado or Alberta, yet there is an enormous amount of off-trail riding all along the snow belt from the Pacific to Atlantic shores. The same rules apply form the Rockies to the Saskatchewan plains or the Chic-Choc mountains.


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Posted 07 August 2020 - 11:38 AM

It all depends on how you use it. Coming from the guy who had a short track 121" then went to a 137" then a 146" then a 154", I am a big fan of Summits. What you loose on the trail, you gain back tenfold when riding in technical and deep snow. I also had a 600 HO SDI 2007 XRS that was a blast and very reliable. I had it for about 7 years. Wouldn't hesitate to take it north ever. I would get the track long enough to get you through your deepest day and work backwards. My vote would be the Summit 600 144" or a similar one with fewer miles. Great power plant and nice mid length sled. I don't think I'll ever have a sled with <2" lug again. Here is me trying to do Summit things on a 2007 XRS with race valved shocks and a 1.75" snocross track. It worked but so did I.  :D

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