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#46 Daag44

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 10:53 PM

*UPDATE

I texted the service manager and asked him how he reset the TPS if he couldn’t get BUDS to communicate with the sled.

He replied: “Dave, I spoke out of turn I apologize. Still trying to get communication with unit. We have BUDS 3.3.0 which is all units prior to 2007. We've checked it for updates and re-installed it with no success.”

Earlier he had told me that they DID reset the TPS in a text.

I’m really starting to think the worst here.....

 

I find encouraging! I've been trying to find a way to say exactly that without making it appear he was lying. I must of written it a dozen times and could never make it sound right, so I quit lol  This is the honesty that I was looking for. As far as I am concerned, nothing is burnt, he just needs to find a way to get an older version of BUDS or whatever to get it connected and the sled will be idling in no time. At this point I seriously doubt it is a sensor and only needs a TPS reset. I expect a slam dunk on this one.


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600 SDI MY2004 Lean/Hot spot running 6900-7000 rpm @ 40-45% Throttle Opening
800R Cranking Compression
800R Oil Injection / Premix combo
800R P-TEK Electrical Troubleshooting #1 and #2 
800R Turbo
850 Center Oil line for coolant pump melted
850 Main Oil line caught fire #1 and #2
900 ACE Turbo - muffler turning red hot
1200 4-TEC Mapping
1200 4-TEC MY 2009 to 2011 Fuel Line issues that could cause a fire
Batteries
Belt Blowers: Overview of UPMICHIGANDER's and Ronn's experience
BUDS 3.3.0 won't connect to SDI
BUDS not connecting to HO or SDI - Try a CanDoo
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Deep snow intake for XP chassis
Diagnoses of a failed ECM
Electrical - Solder vs Crimp
Electrical Diagram for Fanners on page 3
E-TEC 600HO Clutching
E-TEC Oil Pump
E-TEC Dial-A-Jet
E-TEC Electric Start troubleshooting
E-TEC Engine Management
E-TEC eRAVE position code recurring
E-TEC Stator fault codes P1562 or P1563
E-TEC Capacitor Charge Hold Test and Residual Voltage Test
E-TEC Voltage Rectifier Regulator troubleshooting
E-TEC Power Fades are not normal and can be fixed
Fuel Issues: Could new Ester type oxygenated additives be deteriorating the Fuel Sender Grommet?
Fuel pump and regulator replacement for ACE, E-TEC and SDI
Gasoline quality and storage
Bad Gas for a Two Stroke - Is it a Myth ?
G4 Clutch Alignment, Engine Movement, Sheave Runout and Clutching
GNR CVT Alignment for the G4
Grip N Rip Clutch Alignment testing
G4 850 Throttle Jerkiness solved with clutching
G4 850 Snappy throttle/clutch engagement
G4 850 pDrive tech - A question of Engineering
G4 Steering
G4 850 Tuned Pipe @ 12.6 lbs and Muffler @ 15.4 lbs vs 800R and 800RE muffler weight
Longevity - 800R E-TEC 
Mikuni o-ring for carb float assembly - Arctic Cat part# 6505-875 or from Amazon and eBay
Muffler Red Hot
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Pictures - How to post with the correct orientation
Pipe Pressure testing on a dyno
Pipe Pressure testing from LRD (#1) and (#2)
Pipe Pressure testing results from BRP
Power Loss - How to diagnose in the field
Power at the Crankshaft vs Track - BlueMax
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Power Curves: 600 vs 800 vs 850 vs 1000 vs 1200
Power Curves: 1000 vs 800 vs 600
Power curves: 800RE 2010.5 to 2016 vs 2016.5 850
Quebec/NY State border crossing
REV Gen1 Gauge Display stuck on "SCALE"
REV Gen1 Volt and Temp Gauge install
REV Gen1 electrical connectors for sensors and MPEM (Multi Purpose Engine Module)
Seafoam for E-TEC injectors
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Ski-Doo Snowmobile Tech Training
Spark Plugs cracked
Stator testing for E-TEC using a T harness/Bridge
Stator testing for 1200 4-TEC
Stator Removal on page 3
Stator replacement for a 1200 4-TEC
Suspension Adjustment
Triples - Coolant Pump Assembly
Y-Pipe bolts loosening fix


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Posted 01 April 2019 - 10:56 PM

By the way they have the means to perform an injector flow test of the injectors. BUDS is the only one that can do this, so it is worth having it done by the dealer. Of course you could also have them send them out to get flow tested and cleaned.


Air/Fuel Ratio for two and four strokes
Air/Fuel Ratio for 1200 with boost
Air/Fuel Ratio is measured through emissions
Wideband and EGT
Wideband readings of Air/Fuel Ratio on a two stroke
600 SDI MY2004 Lean/Hot spot running 6900-7000 rpm @ 40-45% Throttle Opening
800R Cranking Compression
800R Oil Injection / Premix combo
800R P-TEK Electrical Troubleshooting #1 and #2 
800R Turbo
850 Center Oil line for coolant pump melted
850 Main Oil line caught fire #1 and #2
900 ACE Turbo - muffler turning red hot
1200 4-TEC Mapping
1200 4-TEC MY 2009 to 2011 Fuel Line issues that could cause a fire
Batteries
Belt Blowers: Overview of UPMICHIGANDER's and Ronn's experience
BUDS 3.3.0 won't connect to SDI
BUDS not connecting to HO or SDI - Try a CanDoo
CVT efficiency - BlueMax
Deep snow intake for XP chassis
Diagnoses of a failed ECM
Electrical - Solder vs Crimp
Electrical Diagram for Fanners on page 3
E-TEC 600HO Clutching
E-TEC Oil Pump
E-TEC Dial-A-Jet
E-TEC Electric Start troubleshooting
E-TEC Engine Management
E-TEC eRAVE position code recurring
E-TEC Stator fault codes P1562 or P1563
E-TEC Capacitor Charge Hold Test and Residual Voltage Test
E-TEC Voltage Rectifier Regulator troubleshooting
E-TEC Power Fades are not normal and can be fixed
Fuel Issues: Could new Ester type oxygenated additives be deteriorating the Fuel Sender Grommet?
Fuel pump and regulator replacement for ACE, E-TEC and SDI
Gasoline quality and storage
Bad Gas for a Two Stroke - Is it a Myth ?
G4 Clutch Alignment, Engine Movement, Sheave Runout and Clutching
GNR CVT Alignment for the G4
Grip N Rip Clutch Alignment testing
G4 850 Throttle Jerkiness solved with clutching
G4 850 Snappy throttle/clutch engagement
G4 850 pDrive tech - A question of Engineering
G4 Steering
G4 850 Tuned Pipe @ 12.6 lbs and Muffler @ 15.4 lbs vs 800R and 800RE muffler weight
Longevity - 800R E-TEC 
Mikuni o-ring for carb float assembly - Arctic Cat part# 6505-875 or from Amazon and eBay
Muffler Red Hot
Oil versus Fuel consumption
Pictures - How to resize and upload to DooTalk
Pictures - How to post with the correct orientation
Pipe Pressure testing on a dyno
Pipe Pressure testing from LRD (#1) and (#2)
Pipe Pressure testing results from BRP
Power Loss - How to diagnose in the field
Power at the Crankshaft vs Track - BlueMax
Power Curves: 600 HOE (E-TEC)
Power Curves: 600 vs 800 vs 850 vs 1000 vs 1200
Power Curves: 1000 vs 800 vs 600
Power curves: 800RE 2010.5 to 2016 vs 2016.5 850
Quebec/NY State border crossing
REV Gen1 Gauge Display stuck on "SCALE"
REV Gen1 Volt and Temp Gauge install
REV Gen1 electrical connectors for sensors and MPEM (Multi Purpose Engine Module)
Seafoam for E-TEC injectors
Shortblock or Rebuild?
Ski-Doo Snowmobile Tech Training
Spark Plugs cracked
Stator testing for E-TEC using a T harness/Bridge
Stator testing for 1200 4-TEC
Stator Removal on page 3
Stator replacement for a 1200 4-TEC
Suspension Adjustment
Triples - Coolant Pump Assembly
Y-Pipe bolts loosening fix


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Posted 01 April 2019 - 11:09 PM

Great info to have. Thanks.
Wait, the SDI has an EGR??




Probably a victim of spell check the sdi does not have egr sensor but it does have a egt sensor.

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 11:53 PM

I find encouraging! I've been trying to find a way to say exactly that without making it appear he was lying. I must of written it a dozen times and could never make it sound right, so I quit lol This is the honesty that I was looking for. As far as I am concerned, nothing is burnt, he just needs to find a way to get an older version of BUDS or whatever to get it connected and the sled will be idling in no time. At this point I seriously doubt it is a sensor and only needs a TPS reset. I expect a slam dunk on this one.


Thanks for your optimism. I hope you’re right. I even offered to take my wife’s sled up there so they can see if they can hook up to it with BUDS. Haven’t heard back from them.

I’m already into this for $3200 parts and labor. I hope they aren’t planning to charge me further for chasing this issue with BUDS. The sled ran when I dropped it off, albeit on one cylinder.

A larger concern I have is regarding the new 2020 sleds I just ordered. Are they even more electronically dependent? Am I even going to be able to service and repair them myself without BUDS? Technology has improved our lives in many ways, but it sure has complicated things for those of us who prefer to wrench on our own vehicles. Which is probably what I should have done with this SDI.

Thank goodness for the folks on this forum. It’s the only thing keeping me sane right now....

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Posted 01 April 2019 - 11:55 PM

Probably a victim of spell check the sdi does not have egr sensor but it does have a egt sensor.


LOL... I kinda figured. Who ever heard of an EGR on a two-stroke??

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 12:02 AM

Anticipation of an expense is a killer. I know the feeling!

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 12:08 AM

Another FYI on the SDI if the egr sensor needs replacing, you can get a ac Delco GM sensor for $40 that is the same sensor.



Ohhhhhhhh ya I paid 175 for mine. Doooooohhhhhhh

#53 Daag44

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 01:09 AM

Thanks for your optimism. I hope you’re right. I even offered to take my wife’s sled up there so they can see if they can hook up to it with BUDS. Haven’t heard back from them.

I’m already into this for $3200 parts and labor. I hope they aren’t planning to charge me further for chasing this issue with BUDS. The sled ran when I dropped it off, albeit on one cylinder.

A larger concern I have is regarding the new 2020 sleds I just ordered. Are they even more electronically dependent? Am I even going to be able to service and repair them myself without BUDS? Technology has improved our lives in many ways, but it sure has complicated things for those of us who prefer to wrench on our own vehicles. Which is probably what I should have done with this SDI.

Thank goodness for the folks on this forum. It’s the only thing keeping me sane right now....


I have seen folks on DooTalk get a reasonable labour cost when it took far too long to repair. I do the same and learn from it like everyone else. You should see how short the warranty time given for some of this work. It is very short. Hopefully it won't go passed a few hours especially considering your sled has been in the shop for a good part of the season :blink:

 

For the BUDS, you shouldn't need it. I own a CanDoo that I can plug to any sled and I would rather not if I don't have to. The 2020 sleds will have a new gauge so that should be interesting. If it has been the old I would have said don't skimp and get the Premium Gauge. I'm not familiar with new stuff, but I would think best to get the full package, and also don't skimp on the warranty to save a few bucks to pay for a fancy track or accessories. That's craziness. The reason is right in the name, it's a PowerSport... lol

 

As for working on your sleds, if it's a two stroke then there are so many things that can be done on a new sled to ensure it will never need serious repairs that it should keep you busy. Storage, consumption, electrical and heat are all big subjects. The majority of my attention is on these things regardless of the age of the sled. Overall the new ETECs - assuming this is what you are getting - are really cool problem free engines. Still there is work to keep them running well and knowing how to address any problems early. That reminds me of this one 2017 8050 ETEC owner who carefully went around his sled and found a long list of troubles that he documented with pictures and shared on the French Quebec forum CIMIQ. This was in mid season and the only one I saw of the season. It wasn't until late summer that BRP came out with a Warranty Bulletin covering most things he mentioned, but not all. It goes to show how much you can do on a new sled.

 

As for the SDI, it isn't too late. There is a whole new season ahead and 3 seasons to prepare ;)


Air/Fuel Ratio for two and four strokes
Air/Fuel Ratio for 1200 with boost
Air/Fuel Ratio is measured through emissions
Wideband and EGT
Wideband readings of Air/Fuel Ratio on a two stroke
600 SDI MY2004 Lean/Hot spot running 6900-7000 rpm @ 40-45% Throttle Opening
800R Cranking Compression
800R Oil Injection / Premix combo
800R P-TEK Electrical Troubleshooting #1 and #2 
800R Turbo
850 Center Oil line for coolant pump melted
850 Main Oil line caught fire #1 and #2
900 ACE Turbo - muffler turning red hot
1200 4-TEC Mapping
1200 4-TEC MY 2009 to 2011 Fuel Line issues that could cause a fire
Batteries
Belt Blowers: Overview of UPMICHIGANDER's and Ronn's experience
BUDS 3.3.0 won't connect to SDI
BUDS not connecting to HO or SDI - Try a CanDoo
CVT efficiency - BlueMax
Deep snow intake for XP chassis
Diagnoses of a failed ECM
Electrical - Solder vs Crimp
Electrical Diagram for Fanners on page 3
E-TEC 600HO Clutching
E-TEC Oil Pump
E-TEC Dial-A-Jet
E-TEC Electric Start troubleshooting
E-TEC Engine Management
E-TEC eRAVE position code recurring
E-TEC Stator fault codes P1562 or P1563
E-TEC Capacitor Charge Hold Test and Residual Voltage Test
E-TEC Voltage Rectifier Regulator troubleshooting
E-TEC Power Fades are not normal and can be fixed
Fuel Issues: Could new Ester type oxygenated additives be deteriorating the Fuel Sender Grommet?
Fuel pump and regulator replacement for ACE, E-TEC and SDI
Gasoline quality and storage
Bad Gas for a Two Stroke - Is it a Myth ?
G4 Clutch Alignment, Engine Movement, Sheave Runout and Clutching
GNR CVT Alignment for the G4
Grip N Rip Clutch Alignment testing
G4 850 Throttle Jerkiness solved with clutching
G4 850 Snappy throttle/clutch engagement
G4 850 pDrive tech - A question of Engineering
G4 Steering
G4 850 Tuned Pipe @ 12.6 lbs and Muffler @ 15.4 lbs vs 800R and 800RE muffler weight
Longevity - 800R E-TEC 
Mikuni o-ring for carb float assembly - Arctic Cat part# 6505-875 or from Amazon and eBay
Muffler Red Hot
Oil versus Fuel consumption
Pictures - How to resize and upload to DooTalk
Pictures - How to post with the correct orientation
Pipe Pressure testing on a dyno
Pipe Pressure testing from LRD (#1) and (#2)
Pipe Pressure testing results from BRP
Power Loss - How to diagnose in the field
Power at the Crankshaft vs Track - BlueMax
Power Curves: 600 HOE (E-TEC)
Power Curves: 600 vs 800 vs 850 vs 1000 vs 1200
Power Curves: 1000 vs 800 vs 600
Power curves: 800RE 2010.5 to 2016 vs 2016.5 850
Quebec/NY State border crossing
REV Gen1 Gauge Display stuck on "SCALE"
REV Gen1 Volt and Temp Gauge install
REV Gen1 electrical connectors for sensors and MPEM (Multi Purpose Engine Module)
Seafoam for E-TEC injectors
Shortblock or Rebuild?
Ski-Doo Snowmobile Tech Training
Spark Plugs cracked
Stator testing for E-TEC using a T harness/Bridge
Stator testing for 1200 4-TEC
Stator Removal on page 3
Stator replacement for a 1200 4-TEC
Suspension Adjustment
Triples - Coolant Pump Assembly
Y-Pipe bolts loosening fix


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Posted 02 April 2019 - 07:10 AM

EGT yeah, for some reason my phone changed it.



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Posted 02 April 2019 - 07:46 AM

maybe it possible to reset the tps manually, as i did to my 900ace, i was cleaning the soot on engine side on the body without really removing it, after that i started the engine and it was not running right and i said to myself what did i do, oh  as i was cleaning i move the butterfly so i push back, and i could hear the little motor or servue closing, i'm not sure for the sdi since it's not itc trottle but it's worth a try before going to dealer.



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Posted 02 April 2019 - 08:25 AM

tps setups fail, oem are expensive, the stock one for my truck failed, intermittantly at first, and was an ey opener, thought of stuck on the side of the road with an idling truck.   fortunately there was aftermarket that was 1/3rd the price, doubt there is an aftermarket one for sleds, but worth a look, or used if that is the issue.



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Posted 02 April 2019 - 08:29 AM

I have seen folks on DooTalk get a reasonable labour cost when it took far too long to repair. I do the same and learn from it like everyone else. You should see how short the warranty time given for some of this work. It is very short. Hopefully it won't go passed a few hours especially considering your sled has been in the shop for a good part of the season :blink:

For the BUDS, you shouldn't need it. I own a CanDoo that I can plug to any sled and I would rather not if I don't have to. The 2020 sleds will have a new gauge so that should be interesting. If it has been the old I would have said don't skimp and get the Premium Gauge. I'm not familiar with new stuff, but I would think best to get the full package, and also don't skimp on the warranty to save a few bucks to pay for a fancy track or accessories. That's craziness. The reason is right in the name, it's a PowerSport... lol

As for working on your sleds, if it's a two stroke then there are so many things that can be done on a new sled to ensure it will never need serious repairs that it should keep you busy. Storage, consumption, electrical and heat are all big subjects. The majority of my attention is on these things regardless of the age of the sled. Overall the new ETECs - assuming this is what you are getting - are really cool problem free engines. Still there is work to keep them running well and knowing how to address any problems early. That reminds me of this one 2017 8050 ETEC owner who carefully went around his sled and found a long list of troubles that he documented with pictures and shared on the French Quebec forum CIMIQ. This was in mid season and the only one I saw of the season. It wasn't until late summer that BRP came out with a Warranty Bulletin covering most things he mentioned, but not all. It goes to show how much you can do on a new sled.

As for the SDI, it isn't too late. There is a whole new season ahead and 3 seasons to prepare ;)


We ended up ordering the Enduros. 850 for me, 600R for the wife. I might just pick up the CanDoo now. Will it handle the 2020s AND the 2006s?

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Posted 02 April 2019 - 09:57 AM

FlavorDave,

Where are you located?  I have a fleet of 600 SDIs and a candoo at my disposal as well as spare ECUs and every sensor on the sled.  I'd be happy to help a dootalker out.



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Posted 02 April 2019 - 11:34 AM

We ended up ordering the Enduros. 850 for me, 600R for the wife. I might just pick up the CanDoo now. Will it handle the 2020s AND the 2006s?

 

The 2020's haven't even come out yet. Best to contact [email protected]

 

I see that you have a generous offer on the table. That is a priceless one that I would jump on in a heartbeat!


Edited by Daag44, 02 April 2019 - 11:35 AM.

Air/Fuel Ratio for two and four strokes
Air/Fuel Ratio for 1200 with boost
Air/Fuel Ratio is measured through emissions
Wideband and EGT
Wideband readings of Air/Fuel Ratio on a two stroke
600 SDI MY2004 Lean/Hot spot running 6900-7000 rpm @ 40-45% Throttle Opening
800R Cranking Compression
800R Oil Injection / Premix combo
800R P-TEK Electrical Troubleshooting #1 and #2 
800R Turbo
850 Center Oil line for coolant pump melted
850 Main Oil line caught fire #1 and #2
900 ACE Turbo - muffler turning red hot
1200 4-TEC Mapping
1200 4-TEC MY 2009 to 2011 Fuel Line issues that could cause a fire
Batteries
Belt Blowers: Overview of UPMICHIGANDER's and Ronn's experience
BUDS 3.3.0 won't connect to SDI
BUDS not connecting to HO or SDI - Try a CanDoo
CVT efficiency - BlueMax
Deep snow intake for XP chassis
Diagnoses of a failed ECM
Electrical - Solder vs Crimp
Electrical Diagram for Fanners on page 3
E-TEC 600HO Clutching
E-TEC Oil Pump
E-TEC Dial-A-Jet
E-TEC Electric Start troubleshooting
E-TEC Engine Management
E-TEC eRAVE position code recurring
E-TEC Stator fault codes P1562 or P1563
E-TEC Capacitor Charge Hold Test and Residual Voltage Test
E-TEC Voltage Rectifier Regulator troubleshooting
E-TEC Power Fades are not normal and can be fixed
Fuel Issues: Could new Ester type oxygenated additives be deteriorating the Fuel Sender Grommet?
Fuel pump and regulator replacement for ACE, E-TEC and SDI
Gasoline quality and storage
Bad Gas for a Two Stroke - Is it a Myth ?
G4 Clutch Alignment, Engine Movement, Sheave Runout and Clutching
GNR CVT Alignment for the G4
Grip N Rip Clutch Alignment testing
G4 850 Throttle Jerkiness solved with clutching
G4 850 Snappy throttle/clutch engagement
G4 850 pDrive tech - A question of Engineering
G4 Steering
G4 850 Tuned Pipe @ 12.6 lbs and Muffler @ 15.4 lbs vs 800R and 800RE muffler weight
Longevity - 800R E-TEC 
Mikuni o-ring for carb float assembly - Arctic Cat part# 6505-875 or from Amazon and eBay
Muffler Red Hot
Oil versus Fuel consumption
Pictures - How to resize and upload to DooTalk
Pictures - How to post with the correct orientation
Pipe Pressure testing on a dyno
Pipe Pressure testing from LRD (#1) and (#2)
Pipe Pressure testing results from BRP
Power Loss - How to diagnose in the field
Power at the Crankshaft vs Track - BlueMax
Power Curves: 600 HOE (E-TEC)
Power Curves: 600 vs 800 vs 850 vs 1000 vs 1200
Power Curves: 1000 vs 800 vs 600
Power curves: 800RE 2010.5 to 2016 vs 2016.5 850
Quebec/NY State border crossing
REV Gen1 Gauge Display stuck on "SCALE"
REV Gen1 Volt and Temp Gauge install
REV Gen1 electrical connectors for sensors and MPEM (Multi Purpose Engine Module)
Seafoam for E-TEC injectors
Shortblock or Rebuild?
Ski-Doo Snowmobile Tech Training
Spark Plugs cracked
Stator testing for E-TEC using a T harness/Bridge
Stator testing for 1200 4-TEC
Stator Removal on page 3
Stator replacement for a 1200 4-TEC
Suspension Adjustment
Triples - Coolant Pump Assembly
Y-Pipe bolts loosening fix


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Posted 02 April 2019 - 12:00 PM

FlavorDave,
Where are you located? I have a fleet of 600 SDIs and a candoo at my disposal as well as spare ECUs and every sensor on the sled. I'd be happy to help a dootalker out.


I’m near Salem, Oregon. Thanks so much for the offer. How close are you to Oregon?

600SDI aren’t as popular out west. Most everything I see from that era are 800Rs and PTEK.

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