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#16 ROBGROTTO

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:13 AM

What altitude was the Shout Out at??

Remember you loose 3% h.p. per 1,000 feet of elevation for a non turbo engine....
That is a law of phyisics and there is no way around it.




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I am sea level and its not even close to 163.9 hp . I had an 07 Mach Z X 1000 SDI it had 165-170 and it ripped.this 2012 MXZ X 800 etec is supposed to be the fastest baddest "edit for bad language" thing out there but its a turd ! A COMPLETE LET DOWN. WHAT A JOKE ! $12,000 SCAM !

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:19 AM

I sure hope my third ETEC is good. Perhaps having owned two gives me a different perspective since I just ordered my third so that being said I must be nuts for buying these things based on this thread?

Ski-doo sleds from the last 17 years

1999 MXZ 600 Perfect sled
2000 MXZ 700 Perfect sled
2001 MXZ 800 Blew one piston
2001 Grand Touring 500 perfect sled
2002 MXZ 800 Blew one piston
2003 MXZ 800 Perfect sled
2004 MXZ 800 Blew crank and 2 pistons
2005 MXZ 800 Perfect sled
2006 MXZ 800 The best 800 up to that point
2006 MXZ 500 Perfect sled
2007 MXZ 800 Perfect sled
2008 MXZ 800 Perfect sled
2009 MXZ 800 Perfect sled
2010 MXZ 800 Perfect sled best one to date
2011 MXZ 800 ETEC Perfect sled best one to date by far
2012 MXZ 800 ETEC X black on black some RPM issues
2013 MXZ 800 ETEC X Orange on black much better sled than last year never missed a beat
2014 MXZ 800 ETEC X Orange on black
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:52 AM

Yeah, let's get a lawsuit going!

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 09:31 AM

Exactly robgrotto
they actually made the power they said in fact I put the mid altitude kit in the 05 1000 and it was a little over 180 and runs great. Hopefully Doo gets it fixed it is a simple solution all they need to do is reflash the whole system and let this motor run like it should.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 09:34 AM

Yeah, let's get a lawsuit going!

good luck with that 1!

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 09:39 AM

They must be taming the 163 hp beast electronically to minimize warranty claims!!! They are getting tired of replacing piston pins and crankshafts. It is probably because of you northern Maine riders, you know!! :roll

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 09:46 AM

Barometric Pressure / Air Density is huge and a factor we always looked/ watched while we were drag racing cars ...

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:09 AM

Man, I just can't afford to buy the latest, greatest, just to get beat by an 800r? It hurts!

As the O.P. stated, "what a disappointment!" He's right! For sure.....


I used to have your exact same sled, a 09 XP 800R Adrenaline. The only difference was mine was black. Don't get me wrong, I really liked that sled and it will probably go down as one of the best I've owned. I was definitely sad to see it go. All that being said my 2012 is a nice improvement. The big difference is the new R-Motion rear susp. It rides night & day plusher over the stutter bumps compared to the SC-5. It makes shelled out sections of trail that haven't seen a groomer all year somewhat tolerable and on everything else you hardly feel a thing. Other nice little improvements include the taller / more comfortable seat, lighter steering effort, hooked bars, and handwarmers that actually work. As for the E-Tec portion the improved mileage / range is nice as is the lighter throttle effort. For me it about doubled my range. I had my needles shimmed on my 09 so I only got about 11 - 12 mpg. With my E-Tec on my last ride I got 18 mpg and that was part in and part out of break-in mode. So I expect to be in the 19-20 range next year for darn near a 200 mile range. On my 09 I used to start getting nervous when the tripmeter approached the century mark. In other words, worrying about gas stops is now a thing of the past. The other stuff like easier starts and the self summerization feature are just icing on the cake.


I sure hope my third ETEC is good. Perhaps having owned two gives me a different perspective since I just ordered my third so that being said I must be nuts for buying these things based on this thread?


Don't worry, I was happy with mine to. Coming off a P-Tek 800R the E-Tec 800R acutally feels a little stronger in the upper mid-range (60-70) mph range. The only guys that seem to be dissapointed are the guys that spend all day on the lake drag racing back-n-forth. They're the same type of guys that like to " tinker " and mess with the clutching etc... And they may be at least partially responsible for their own problems. As for me, I very rarely operate my sleds at WOT / with the the valves fully opened so it hasn't been a problem for me. It's like once in a blue moon if I'm doing a radar run or if I get a wild hair or something. As for the low end and mid-range the E-Tec seems to pull just as hard if not harder than the P-Tek 800R. All that thick 800R torque / pull is still alive and well in the E-Tec. As for the top end I don't really care as much, I spend maybe 1% of my time there. Besides my 09 P-Tek only did 106 mph on the GPS so the XPs have never really been much of a top end sled anyways. The Rev 800 HOs were faster up top...


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:13 AM

I am just happy I did not blow mine up this year......It is nice to go a season with the same motor. Of course, I only rode 1600 miles, but still can't complain except getting beat by my friends Pro Cross 800.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:21 AM

Love my 2011 and more power than my 08 800r when I got it set up right.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 11:57 AM

Have a 2011 gade etec and i even beat the 800r shorties with it...the top end on my etec is where the biggest differences are. I have posted on here about bringing in my gade for the recall work. I beleive they put new pistons in because of some of the locating pins were failing. After i got it back it seems to be a bit slower on top end. I used to see over 120 on the speedo now i see 115 on a good day. im thinking they down tuned it or something. I hear the 2011s are faster. I here alot of bad stuff on here about the 800etec my mine has always been really strong and never gets beat by an 800r(except after i brought it in!) I cant say the same about my 600etec its a great running sled but my old 03 i have sitting around kills it.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:37 PM

There are members on the forum that have convinced themselves that the 8etec is the baddest. Also the marketing hype drew you in deeper! I don't blame you guys!

I'm just not convinced! I actually want one, just can't take the chance of possibly taking a step backwards. When my 8r runs this sweet!

I'm also sorry to the 8etec riders that have stepped up, and have been disappointed.......Joe........it is what it is.


Hey, if your 8r is the balls in your book, then you would be crazy to replace her.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:46 PM

Have a 2011 gade etec and i even beat the 800r shorties with it...the top end on my etec is where the biggest differences are. I have posted on here about bringing in my gade for the recall work. I beleive they put new pistons in because of some of the locating pins were failing. After i got it back it seems to be a bit slower on top end. I used to see over 120 on the speedo now i see 115 on a good day. im thinking they down tuned it or something. I hear the 2011s are faster. I here alot of bad stuff on here about the 800etec my mine has always been really strong and never gets beat by an 800r(except after i brought it in!) I cant say the same about my 600etec its a great running sled but my old 03 i have sitting around kills it.

Those E-Tecs are just finicky. On my 2011 and my buddies 2012 800E-Tec, there was the same dead spot when cruising in the 80-90 mph range that just took a lot of throttle to get out of. My engine was just rebuilt because my crankshaft bearings cut loose on me, and now that dead spot is gone and my throttle is MUCH more linear up to about 90-100 mph. But now, when I let off the throttle at 90mph it feels like I mashed the brake. Fortunately no obvious differences in top speed. Each one seems to have their own idiosyncrasies, but I am not seeing any top speeds that suggests I am sitting on a 163 hp engine.

Regardless the 800 E-tec is a blast to ride. It will just take BRP some time to fine-tune it. Maybe the lower oil consumption comes at the price of having to put in more protections.

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:58 PM

There are members on the forum that have convinced themselves that the 8etec is the baddest. Also the marketing hype drew you in deeper! I don't blame you guys!

I'm just not convinced! I actually want one, just can't take the chance of possibly taking a step backwards. When my 8r runs this sweet!

I'm also sorry to the 8etec riders that have stepped up, and have been disappointed.......Joe........it is what it is.


That's all fine and dandy but stop calling it a dissapointment when you don't own one and don't know what you're talking about....


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 01:18 PM

I have loved my 2011 800 e-tec so far. Couldn't be more happier with the power, mileage, smooth running, easy starting, etc. Sorry to here some guys have been disappointed with the 2012s.

By the way, at the Old Forge Shootout, the past two years, the engines they put on the dyno were new and not broken in. The 2011 800 e-tec had 157 hp and the 2012 had 152 hp. I think those hp figures are pretty good considering they were still in the computer controlled break-in mode. Mine rocked from day 1 and woke up even more after 300 or 400 miles and the mileage really improved. After riding a 800 Polaris Pro RMK compared to my Backcountry, I could definitely notice mine have more power (as an example). I hope the 2013s are as strong as the 2011s. Seems a lot of folks have been happy with their 2012s also but clearly a few who are dissappointed.




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