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[YamaDooPolCat]

BRP YOU GOT BALLS!

That's why I buy Doo!

If BRP watches the DooTalk you know I don't cut anyone, or anything, any slack. I'm old.

This year I will turn 60, and before the REV came along I thought I was done riding 10 years ago.

People tell me the new stuff is even better, but hey! I'm 60 and still running the nasty big stuff, so how bad can the 2007 REV be? The best sled ever!

Anyway keep up the good work, but PLEASE, can you swallow that big BRP pride and chit-can the Elan TRA? Drop in a P-85 style clutch for us old mountain people that have seen it all and know what a good clutch can pull? Biggeest improvement BRP can make. Maybe not to BRP's bottom line, but best for the mountain sled people.

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[YamaDooPolCat]

Come play with me.

Eveyone else in my group rides a Turbo Yamaha.

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[YamaDooPolCat]

So, if BRP wants to ride with us, the trail ride in is 80 km one way. But the club cabin is nice, sleeps 13, shower, hot tub, propane stove and BBQ, 3200 watt gen set, flat screen TV, groomer at cabin.

You bring the beer, we'll provide the testing grounds. heeeehhee!

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[JohnnyNeedsASled]

The title states, WE WANT YOUR IDEAS? but the "BRP" post says "MARKETING IDEAS" anyone else have a problem with this?

Many people have a problem reading the original post, that's for sure.

BRP simply asked what information we wanted to get from them, and how. The majority of responses were "I want a sled with this/that/the other thing".

Although they may be legitimate requests and or concerns, this wasn't the post for those comments.

Not once did they ask what we wanted on our next sled, so I don't know why everyone's getting so angry, haha.

[cdn sled dog]

BRP-ask the marketing question on each of the social media sites. The people that use those sites will respond.

Communication-I see a lot of people posting here that have simple set up issues. How too doo videos from BRP may help with some of the frustration. A lot of people have no clue how to even adjust TRA clickers or when! Forums help but maybe factory guidance would be more attractive to some. Post them in all media or links to them.

BRP Thank you for the following:

TRA primary-best tuner clutch in the industry
QRS-The best secondary to date
E-TEC technology-the best in the business
SC-36 front end-game changer in arguably the best chassis to date
Seat storage-finally
Heated glove/goggle storage-finally
Summit X 800 ETEC 163-fuel economy/performance/track/ergonomics/clutching/gearing

BRP-looking forward to the XM. Thanks for developing the sport even further for all to enjoy!

[YamaDooPolCat]

BRP-ask the marketing question on each of the social media sites. The people that use those sites will respond.

Communication-I see a lot of people posting here that have simple set up issues. How too doo videos from BRP may help with some of the frustration. A lot of people have no clue how to even adjust TRA clickers or when! Forums help but maybe factory guidance would be more attractive to some. Post them in all media or links to them.

BRP Thank you for the following:

TRA primary-best tuner clutch in the industry
QRS-The best secondary to date
E-TEC technology-the best in the business
SC-36 front end-game changer in arguably the best chassis to date
Seat storage-finally
Heated glove/goggle storage-finally
Summit X 800 ETEC 163-fuel economy/performance/track/ergonomics/clutching/gearing

BRP-looking forward to the XM. Thanks for developing the sport even further for all to enjoy!

LUND:
WHat was this?

"Posted 17 February 2012 - 09:11 AM

Is BRP actualy out of idea's on how to build sled's for the mountian's, it is a mountian site your posting on so i suspect this is for us mountian guy's.
Hahaha.....TOO FUNNY, i guess them other 3 are realy better then what you thought at this mountian game.

Here's an idea, how about an R&D department here in BC, in Revy or Pemberton to be exact. You guy's want to get back in the game, get real mountian rider's to help develop your sled's and give them free reign to do so.

Maybe this thread is not about that and more about social media but that my 2cent's."

I think the race gas in your Yammie has fried your brain! Sorry buddy-really?!?!?!

All that trash talk from a sledder from Central Alberta, sigh...
Lund must be laughing.

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[Maize]

There is a lot of great Ski-Doo stuff out there. Just not in one sled. That is pretty much why I custom build my own mountain sleds from a lot of different years.

I still use Ski-Doo parts.

A couple of summers back, I spoke with Rick Goodwin (who is no longer with Ski-Doo). He was at the Wauconda, IL grass drags when Troy (Racine Extreme) featured my sleds at the event.

We spoke about an hour about some of the modifications I did, and why I did them.

It is good to see BRP looking for feedback. The new mountain sled is going to be a step in the right direction with the set-back skid.

I think the old bellypan style sleds worked better in deep powder. They may want to look at a skid plate, or some addition to "float" the front end better in powder.

Maybe a wider ski in combination with a skid plate to give more surface area on the front end to keep the front end above (or at least higher) on the snow.

Perhaps a little more rearward body position to avoid putting so much weight forward.

I would also recommend more cooling in the form of venting on the panels and hood.

Something to expell underhood temps. Perhaps an upper vent that directs fresh air onto the clutching area, much like a NASCAR brake vent tube.

I do think that BRP dealers should be sent to some sort of customer service type schooling.

I work for Corp Toyota. We are always having training on how to handle customer concerns, how to keep our customers. I think BRP could learn from the Toyota model on how to build customer satisfaction. There is a reason Toyota has a very loyal customer base, even with all the bad publicity. We take care of our customers.

The dealers are representing the BRP company. How they handle customers is a direct reflection on how your company is perceived by your customers. How BRP handles customers concerns should also a top priority.

You asked.......

[2dtop]

A few more ideas:

1. BRP started being proactive on the need for avalanche training, especially in the midwestern states where there are many casual mountain riders that regularly make the trip west for fun. They need this training. I hope you don't drop the ball on this important program and as a marketing department will realize that this is just as important as doing a video showing your product blasting through the powder. Related to this, why does BRP no longer offer an avalanche beacon in your accessory catalog? You offer shovels, probes and even the ABS packs but no beacon? You used to have one.

2. Each year, the International Snowmobile Manufacturers Association designates a 'Take a Friend Snowmobiling' program which you could be more involved in. This is a great program if handled properly to get new people involved in the activity and maybe sell a few sleds. One difficulty getting this program going is lack of sleds to use. This could be an area that you could help more with.

3. Your Platinum Owner's Club needs work. The t-shirt and pin are just an insult. A certificate to be used at the dealer for accessories would be a much better token of appreciation. (I'd like one of the new carbon lite helmets but $500 is a bit steep.). Or maybe include a jug or 2 of oil with your purchase to maybe insure buyers they will use your products. Remember Club Ski-Doo? That was truly an owner appreciation program that should be brought back.

4. You need to redirect your marketing efforts to the people that actually have disposable income to spend on a snowmobile, not the people that are capable of doing whips and flips on a sled but cannot afford to buy one. There is a big hole in your lineup in the GSX area for trail sleds that are not the MXZ or Freeride variety but are more trail friendly for people that may not be the mogul pounders they used to be. They want a capable, reliable sled that they can spend all day on that is, shall we say, a little more reserved and upscale than the MXZ variety. The GSX SE does this quite well but the marketing of this segment seems like an afterthought and needs to be improved. A more affordable sled in this segment would be a good addition.

[2dtop]

I think the old bellypan style sleds worked better in deep powder. They may want to look at a skid plate, or some addition to "float" the front end better in powder.

Maybe a wider ski in combination with a skid plate to give more surface area on the front end to keep the front end above (or at least higher) on the snow.

Maize, you might want to take a look at the front end of the Tundra Extreme. No a-arms to destroy and a belly pan that resembles a boat. Though heavier, this sled is just as capable as a boondocking sled as a Summit. It goes through deep snow quite well. Truly a sleeper in the Ski-Doo lineup.

[fredw]

well for you that is, i have not had the issues most complain about it, p85 is a clutch for low hp sleds, had one and never again

BRP YOU GOT BALLS!

That's why I buy Doo!

If BRP watches the DooTalk you know I don't cut anyone, or anything, any slack. I'm old.

This year I will turn 60, and before the REV came along I thought I was done riding 10 years ago.

People tell me the new stuff is even better, but hey! I'm 60 and still running the nasty big stuff, so how bad can the 2007 REV be? The best sled ever!

Anyway keep up the good work, but PLEASE, can you swallow that big BRP pride and chit-can the Elan TRA? Drop in a P-85 style clutch for us old mountain people that have seen it all and know what a good clutch can pull? Biggeest improvement BRP can make. Maybe not to BRP's bottom line, but best for the mountain sled people.

[fredw]

if i had to see brp change a few things what would they be....

you finnally got rid of that puss of a skid, hope the tmotion is better and does not colapse like the xps did, imbarsement..... your warrenty had many hidden secrets till 2012

you should have a return policy for your stock mufflers, i have a shed full of them over the years and we should be able to send back and be reimbursed for mountain riders. save enviroment resouces

keep the foam off the engine compartments, just another job to remove, and give a guy more options to order spring sled the way he wants, rissers, tracks bars, bags and ect

get rid of the dumb y pipe with dents, easy 2 hp gain, and port your motors better, could gain 10 easy hp

might want to make a extemem mountain model with titanium front end and skid, carbon fiber body, belt drive, and charge accordingly similar to freeride

need to align clutches better, last two sleds i had to add shims to secondary, that far out

add a turbo800 to you engine line

[brutus503]

A few more ideas:

1. BRP started being proactive on the need for avalanche training, especially in the midwestern states where there are many casual mountain riders that regularly make the trip west for fun. They need this training. I hope you don't drop the ball on this important program and as a marketing department will realize that this is just as important as doing a video showing your product blasting through the powder. Related to this, why does BRP no longer offer an avalanche beacon in your accessory catalog? You offer shovels, probes and even the ABS packs but no beacon? You used to have one.

2. Each year, the International Snowmobile Manufacturers Association designates a 'Take a Friend Snowmobiling' program which you could be more involved in. This is a great program if handled properly to get new people involved in the activity and maybe sell a few sleds. One difficulty getting this program going is lack of sleds to use. This could be an area that you could help more with.

3. Your Platinum Owner's Club needs work. The t-shirt and pin are just an insult. A certificate to be used at the dealer for accessories would be a much better token of appreciation. (I'd like one of the new carbon lite helmets but $500 is a bit steep.). Or maybe include a jug or 2 of oil with your purchase to maybe insure buyers they will use your products. Remember Club Ski-Doo? That was truly an owner appreciation program that should be brought back.

4. You need to redirect your marketing efforts to the people that actually have disposable income to spend on a snowmobile, not the people that are capable of doing whips and flips on a sled but cannot afford to buy one. There is a big hole in your lineup in the GSX area for trail sleds that are not the MXZ or Freeride variety but are more trail friendly for people that may not be the mogul pounders they used to be. They want a capable, reliable sled that they can spend all day on that is, shall we say, a little more reserved and upscale than the MXZ variety. The GSX SE does this quite well but the marketing of this segment seems like an afterthought and needs to be improved. A more affordable sled in this segment would be a good addition.

x2 Can't believe they don't have a 600 ACE model in the GSX line-up! There are a ton of older GSX models on the trails (saw lots and rode with a few others this past season) but BRP seems to be shrugging this line-up off to the corner with only a few uber-$$$ top end offerings available. I chose my '10 GSX 550f over the TNT version because it was the better "bang for the buck" for what I wanted (i.e. e-start, mirrors, mid-height windshield were already included and didn't need to be added). Now your only option for an entry level trail tourer is to buy a (yellow) MXZ sport model and then spend more to add all those features.

Speaking of entry level, BRP is really missing out when it comes to young sledders. You can get your snowmobile operator's license at 12 years of age but then there are no new offerings safe enough to ride. You have to ride old iron that is not necessarily as reliable and is old technology...if you can find it, that is. The 250-380cc offerings were perfect for learning the ropes. There is no way I'd ever put a kid on a 550f (the smallest displacement engine currently available). If you don't keep the kids interested, you're going to lose out on a new generation of sledders. Riding as a passenger behind mom and dad is only fun for so long...

One other comment/suggestion I have is regarding the spring tour stops. They are very few and far between now. The nearest stop to me is Ottawa which is a 2-hour drive each way (= $80 in gas!). Add to that the shows are often scheduled on week nights, it just makes it not feasible for people to go check out the new stuff and I know I personally can't be bothered. Back in '06 or so, there were many stops on the tour, some even in the smaller towns along the way. We attended one of these stops in one of the smaller towns as it was hosted by our local dealer and my dad spring-ordered a sled as a result. Even if it's just for one night instead of a 2 or 3 day event, more stops = more exposure to the new product.

[Never Summer]

With all due respect, I hope you high-light your notes regarding BRP gouging Canadians.

I fully support BRP ripping off Canadians as long as it keeps the price in the US down!

Seriously though - I got sent a BRP flyer of shows around the US and Canada where we could go check out the XM...Not one site in BC. Seriously? Thought that would be mountain testing zone heaven.

[Maize]

I just read an article in Forbes about the very thing I was talking about.

BRP should use Toyota as a model of how to combat what is happening right now.

I see BRP as in a similar situation with accused unintended acceleration claims against Toyota.

I see more, and more people complaining about the new products here on Dootalk than ever before.

I hate to see that kind of trend happening.

http://www.forbes.co...ation-and-cars/

[tbeaton]

make x package sleds available as in season models. all new mnt chassis from ground up. better shocks, not a huge fan of the kyb. lighter/smaller exhaust can. better bulkhead design, i shouldn't have to spend $300 + , and 3 hours of my time to brace the front end.