Jump to content

 





Photo

Help! SDI died on trail last night


  • Please log in to reply
20 replies to this topic

#1 axeman

axeman

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 304 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Adirondacks
  • Sled:2007 mxz renegade 600 sdi

Posted 31 January 2012 - 08:40 AM

My 07 600 sdi quit on the trail last night. out of nowhere it just completely shut off, no warning lights nothing. When i push the electric start it sounds like the starter is clicking, and wont stop unless i hold the start button for a few seconds. the lights on the dash flicker really fast but no codes. atleast none that i can see since it just flickers so fast. I tried pulling it over and it wont start that way either. Can somebody give me a couple ideas of where to start looking?

#2 Animal

Animal

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 456 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Plymouth New Hampshire, Hellertown PA
  • Interests:Sleds, being in the shop, boating, waterskiing, guitar, ice hockey.
  • Sled:09 TNT 600etec, 09 50th mxz, 72 Oly 399

Posted 31 January 2012 - 08:45 AM

Start with the obvious first:

Do you have gas?
Interested in air tool racks? PM for details...

#3 axeman

axeman

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 304 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Adirondacks
  • Sled:2007 mxz renegade 600 sdi

Posted 31 January 2012 - 08:46 AM

Start with the obvious first:

Do you have gas?


yes, also running out of gas doesn't cause those issues. thanks

#4 poffjos1

poffjos1

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 106 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:MI
  • Sled:2005 MXZ X 600 HO SDI

Posted 31 January 2012 - 09:04 AM

I kinda had the same thing happen to me.. change your relays out, change your plugs, charge you battery, and spray some kind of lube on the shaft of your starter.... That's all the steps I had to do and she's running great now. Relays is Prolly #1 tho.
Ski-doo

V force 3, MBRP

#5 Swervin

Swervin

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 131 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Mattawa, ON
  • Sled:2005 Renegade 600 SDI

Posted 31 January 2012 - 09:20 AM

I kinda had the same thing happen to me.. change your relays out, change your plugs, charge you battery, and spray some kind of lube on the shaft of your starter.... That's all the steps I had to do and she's running great now. Relays is Prolly #1 tho.


Checks the relays and check the 30 AMP Fuse that sits on top of the battery.

#6 phart_2005

phart_2005

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 808 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Houghton Lake, Michigan
  • Interests:Bikes, Sleds, Trucks
  • Sled:2004 MX-Z Renegade X 600HO SDI

Posted 31 January 2012 - 09:28 AM

My 07 600 sdi quit on the trail last night. out of nowhere it just completely shut off, no warning lights nothing. When i push the electric start it sounds like the starter is clicking, and wont stop unless i hold the start button for a few seconds. the lights on the dash flicker really fast but no codes. atleast none that i can see since it just flickers so fast. I tried pulling it over and it wont start that way either. Can somebody give me a couple ideas of where to start looking?


It sounds like the battery went dead. An SDI will not start without it.

The battery could have died from age, and stopped taking a charge...but I would think the stator would have kept the sled going, and you wouldn't have had an issue until you shut it off and went to restart. This makes me think that it stopped charging and the sled ran off the battery until it died.

Recharge the battery and try to start it. If it starts, check the voltage at the battery with a volt meter. Fully charged should be 12.6, and when running it should show 14 or so. It will go up some when the RPM increases. If the sled starts after being charged, and the voltage drops when running, this indicates that the sled is not charging and just running off the battery and you have a bigger issue.

If the battery is a few years old, just replace it and go from there. You still need to verify that it is charging. My suspicions are that it is not.

Post back when you have done this and let us know what you find.
2004 Renegade X 600 SDI
Sly Dog Race Skis, Studboy 6" Shaper bars
vForce 3 Reeds
Wiseco Pro-Lite Forged Pistons (3 seasons, 2000+ Miles)
JT Can
1.75 x 136" OEM Summit track
Dynamo Joe Kit - (Testing Cal: 412 Ramps, BRP 230/320 @ 25G, BRP Purple) SMT2 Helix
RSI Riser, RSI Long Hooks, RSI Hi-Power grip heaters, RSI Long Grips
1 1/8 Pro Taper 'KTM Bend' bars
440x Windshield
19/45 gears

#7 GADE X

GADE X

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 133 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:NH
  • Sled:06 Renegade X

Posted 31 January 2012 - 09:49 AM

I had the same thing happen to me before. Turned out to be a chaffed wire going to the tps sensor. It rubbed through the wire insulator and was going to ground

#8 axeman

axeman

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 304 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Adirondacks
  • Sled:2007 mxz renegade 600 sdi

Posted 31 January 2012 - 09:50 AM

thanks for the replys. I have had dead batteries before and the sled still runs but not very well, backfires and sputters. In this case it never had that issue, just completely shut off while riding and was dead. I'm not saying that isn't the issue just playing devils advocate and giving more information to see if that helps. I'll play with it tonight and let you know what i figure out. Also the starter just clicking by itself is weird. I could pull out the dess and it still just clicked. Had to hold down the start button for a few secons to get it to stop.

#9 axeman

axeman

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 304 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Adirondacks
  • Sled:2007 mxz renegade 600 sdi

Posted 31 January 2012 - 09:52 AM

I had the same thing happen to me before. Turned out to be a chaffed wire going to the tps sensor. It rubbed through the wire insulator and was going to ground


awesome, i'll check that out.

#10 BlizzardMXZ07

BlizzardMXZ07

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 103 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Toronto/Muskoka
  • Sled:MXZ Blizzard 2007 600 SDI

Posted 31 January 2012 - 04:36 PM

Any luck? I would check relays as mentioned above I've had similar problems where it would just shut off and sometimes not start up again, battery was charged, connections tight no loose wires etc. Sounded like a starter on mine, but I swapped out relays from my dad's sled into mine and fired up no problem. Bought a set of relays last weekend and didn't have anymore issues. Mine is also a 2007 600SDI. Now if that happens again on the trail, swop the relays see if the sled will fire up so you can get out of the bush.

Here's the PN of relay if you go that route #410113604 round $38.00 CDN at the dealer.
1973 TnT 440CC Silver Bullet
1993 Mariah Diablo w/ 135 Mercury Blackmax
1995 Lexus ES300
1995 Polaris Indy Lite 340cc
1996.5 MXZ 670CC
1999 Formula DLX 670CC
2003 MXZ 800
2005 Acura MDX TECH
2006 GSX Sport 600 HO SDI
2007 Triton 12' Enclosed
2007 Chevy Silverado LT 1500 Z-71 Offroad Pkg
2007 MXZ Blizzard 600 HO SDI
2008 BMW 335I
2009 FX Crusier High Output 1800cc Waverunner

#11 bdschuch

bdschuch

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 346 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:ELk Mound, Wi
  • Sled:2004 600 sdi




  •    

Posted 31 January 2012 - 04:45 PM

Any luck? I would check relays as mentioned above I've had similar problems where it would just shut off and sometimes not start up again, battery was charged, connections tight no loose wires etc. Sounded like a starter on mine, but I swapped out relays from my dad's sled into mine and fired up no problem. Bought a set of relays last weekend and didn't have anymore issues. Mine is also a 2007 600SDI. Now if that happens again on the trail, swop the relays see if the sled will fire up so you can get out of the bush.

Here's the PN of relay if you go that route #410113604 round $38.00 CDN at the dealer.

you can get the relays much cheaper from any auto parts store, just take one in with you
BRING ME SNOW AND I SHALL SHOW YOU HAPPINESS!

#12 wecker20

wecker20

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 637 posts
  • Location:Reed City Mi.
  • Interests:Sleds, hunting, fishing, habitat improvement
  • Sled:2006 MXZ X 600 SDI

Posted 31 January 2012 - 05:02 PM

Has it ever cut out on you while riding? That's how mine went, then died. Was the relay.
2006 600SDI 136X
2005 500ss, backup

#13 thumbdoctor

thumbdoctor

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,000 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:St-Lazare Quebec.
  • Interests:All things mechanical
  • Sled:2006 MXz 800HO, 1999 MXZ 670HO


Posted 31 January 2012 - 05:07 PM

Sounds like the battery ground is loose or corroded.
C'est moi le grand fou !

#14 BlizzardMXZ07

BlizzardMXZ07

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 103 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Toronto/Muskoka
  • Sled:MXZ Blizzard 2007 600 SDI

Posted 31 January 2012 - 06:08 PM

Has it ever cut out on you while riding? That's how mine went, then died. Was the relay.


Relay, end of story!

but yes, clean up connections check wires, fuse on top of solonoid etc while you are at it.
1973 TnT 440CC Silver Bullet
1993 Mariah Diablo w/ 135 Mercury Blackmax
1995 Lexus ES300
1995 Polaris Indy Lite 340cc
1996.5 MXZ 670CC
1999 Formula DLX 670CC
2003 MXZ 800
2005 Acura MDX TECH
2006 GSX Sport 600 HO SDI
2007 Triton 12' Enclosed
2007 Chevy Silverado LT 1500 Z-71 Offroad Pkg
2007 MXZ Blizzard 600 HO SDI
2008 BMW 335I
2009 FX Crusier High Output 1800cc Waverunner

#15 axeman

axeman

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 304 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Adirondacks
  • Sled:2007 mxz renegade 600 sdi

Posted 01 February 2012 - 09:06 AM

ok, well i checked the fuse on top of the solonoid and wiggled the wires around there on the battery and it started right up. so i'm thinking something was loose there. Good because it was easy but bad because now i dont know exactly what it was. It did cut out just before it completely died. I didnt think anything of it because it was so quick, thought it was my imaginiation. Is it possible for the relay to be bad but the sled will start back up and run fine?




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users