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[razer]

I'm sure there's gonna be some issues but this is what I've been wanting, but please test thing properly before we buy it!!!!!!!

[revadict]

I'm sure there's gonna be some issues but this is what I've been wanting, but please test thing properly before we buy it!!!!!!!

agreed,plus add at least 20 more hp.

[Roamer7]

agreed,plus add at least 20 more hp.

I doubt it needs it. It'll pull like a beast down low and in the mids and still top out at or near 100 mph . If you need more I expect it'll be EZ to find with a few mods. Also I imagine the turbo kits will be coming soon....

[XP123]

I'm sure there's gonna be some issues but this is what I've been wanting, but please test thing properly before we buy it!!!!!!!

I agree I'm tired of being a test pilot for BRP! I will be looking at this sled very closely this Spring and if I like what I see I might have one in My fleet next year.

[Ultrastryk]

I like the idea of having a 4 stroke, but not when it is 100lbs heavier than my XP. I have 1900 miles on my XP with no real problems, and love the light weight. I can't imagine going back to a 510 lb sled.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.

[800REV]

If they can keep the wet weight the same as the 03-07 Revs, I think they will start selling a lot of them. If i can jump on a sled andnot worry about reliability, that is a big plus. If you need more power slap on a turbo. By the time I wear out my 08 the 4 strokes will have plenty of time on them to know If they are good or not. I would love to have the confidence that I can jump on a sled and not be thinking in the back of my head if I'm going to break down this trip.

[FreezerBurnt]

$$$$$ is going to be the big factor IMO

130hp is where the market is

[freddy2]

I like the idea of having a 4 stroke, but not when it is 100lbs heavier than my XP. I have 1900 miles on my XP with no real problems, and love the light weight. I can't imagine going back to a 510 lb sled.
Different strokes for different folks I guess.

If a 510 lb sled is 100 pounds heavier than your 800R, that means your 800R is 410 pounds. But it's not, it's 425 pounds, that is 85 pounds. And the TNT is 500 pounds, so that's than 75 pounds. Still a lot heavier, but lets not exaggerate how light the 800R is and the weight difference. Especially when you don't need to exaggerate since 75 pounds is a fair bit of weight anyway.

If you subtract 25 pounds for elec. start and another 5 for mech. reverse that is 55 pounds for motor alone. Actually the wider chassis may add 10 pounds, so lets say 45 pounds for motor alone over an 800R. Considering the 3rd cylinder, and 50% more displacement and the fact its a four stroke with more overhead stuff on it, and that is mighty impressive.

Alas, yes, different strokes for different folks (literally).

[dooit2it]

If a 510 lb sled is 100 pounds heavier than your 800R, that means your 800R is 410 pounds. But it's not, it's 425 pounds, that is 85 pounds. And the TNT is 500 pounds, so that's than 75 pounds. Still a lot heavier, but lets not exaggerate how light the 800R is and the weight difference. Especially when you don't need to exaggerate since 75 pounds is a fair bit of weight anyway.

If you subtract 25 pounds for elec. start and another 5 for mech. reverse that is 55 pounds for motor alone. Actually the wider chassis may add 10 pounds, so lets say 45 pounds for motor alone over an 800R. Considering the 3rd cylinder, and 50% more displacement and the fact its a four stroke with more overhead stuff on it, and that is mighty impressive.

Alas, yes, different strokes for different folks (literally).

MXZ x800R w/ elect start vs MXZ1200 X w/elec start: 84 lbs weight difference. Period. I've rode them both. One is light and carves up the turns, the other is right at home and ultra stable on the straight 'interstate' type trails, like we have here in Maine and in quebec and New Brunswick. Its what suits you best, four stroke smoothness or the abrupt pull of a two stroke hitting the pipe. Choice is yours.

[ToyzShopGary]

MXZ x800R w/ elect start vs MXZ1200 X w/elec start: 84 lbs weight difference. Period. I've rode them both. One is light and carves up the turns, the other is right at home and ultra stable on the straight 'interstate' type trails, like we have here in Maine and in quebec and New Brunswick. Its what suits you best, four stroke smoothness or the abrupt pull of a two stroke hitting the pipe. Choice is yours.

dooit2it you said in another post you rode the MXZ 1200 4 Tech against a radar gun on Thurs, Feb 1st? Where did this happen? I find it hard to believe that BRP would let consumers run a proto like the MXZ 1200 on a radar gun the the day after the sales meeting to all the sales staff riding tuesday, the media wednesday and a few select dealers from across north america on thurs.......the day you say you ran one on radar?

This is what went down in Ontario up in the Muskokas this past week at Deerhurst Resort. So how could you be riding one on radar Thurs? No public people outside the groups above would have ridden those sleds till Friday at the earliest?

Care to explain please?

[rengade x]

dooit2it you said in another post you rode the MXZ 1200 4 Tech against a radar gun on Thurs, Feb 1st? Where did this happen? I find it hard to believe that BRP would let consumers run a proto like the MXZ 1200 on a radar gun the the day after the sales meeting to all the sales staff riding tuesday, the media wednesday and a few select dealers from across north america on thurs.......the day you say you ran one on radar?

This is what went down in Ontario up in the Muskokas this past week at Deerhurst Resort. So how could you be riding one on radar Thurs? No public people outside the groups above would have ridden those sleds till Friday at the earliest?

Care to explain please?

They made more than 1 of these sleds man............I cant speak on dooit2it's behalf, but my dealer has one of the new 4 strokes this weekend and im goin to give her a rip this afternoon.
And oh ya..........Thursday was January 31 not the 1st of Feb

[MX-Z Man]

I'd just add I know a few dealers who own Stalker radar guns as well, so it wouldn't need to be an official radar run. A backyard side-by-side would be a good comparison.

[MX-Z Man]

If you subtract 25 pounds for elec. start and another 5 for mech. reverse that is 55 pounds for motor alone. Actually the wider chassis may add 10 pounds, so lets say 45 pounds for motor alone over an 800R. Considering the 3rd cylinder, and 50% more displacement and the fact its a four stroke with more overhead stuff on it, and that is mighty impressive.

Alas, yes, different strokes for different folks (literally).

Thats all good, comparing with and without mech reverse and e-start, but the reality is a 2 stroke can still go without e-start, saving that 25 lbs (actually it's 23 lbs, or was in '07) and the 2 stroke reverse weighs virtually nothing. A 4 stroke MUST HAVE e-start and a mechanical reverse.

dooit2it says 84 lb difference when comparing e-start sleds, and I'd 100% believe that number. Now subtract the e-start from the 2 stroke and we're back to 107 lb difference.

I certainly am glad Doo has this sled, and I won't say I'd never buy one, but a 4 stroke is and always will be heavier than a 2 stroke. Thats not a slam on anything, it's simply how their made.

For now I still want a lightweight 2 stroke, but I can see me in the not-to-distant future taking a good look at a 4 stroke. 5 years ago I used to live for 2'-3' mogals, all day every day, today I'll take them is small doses. The new sleds are better at sucking them up, I am not. I'm getting older and yes, I'm slowing down a little.

[Doo Beedazzled]

Thats all good, comparing with and without mech reverse and e-start, but the reality is a 2 stroke can still go without e-start, saving that 25 lbs (actually it's 23 lbs, or was in '07) and the 2 stroke reverse weighs virtually nothing. A 4 stroke MUST HAVE e-start and a mechanical reverse.

dooit2it says 84 lb difference when comparing e-start sleds, and I'd 100% believe that number. Now subtract the e-start from the 2 stroke and we're back to 107 lb difference.

I certainly am glad Doo has this sled, and I won't say I'd never buy one, but a 4 stroke is and always will be heavier than a 2 stroke. Thats not a slam on anything, it's simply how their made.

For now I still want a lightweight 2 stroke, but I can see me in the not-to-distant future taking a good look at a 4 stroke. 5 years ago I used to live for 2'-3' mogals, all day every day, today I'll take them is small doses. The new sleds are better at sucking them up, I am not. I'm getting older and yes, I'm slowing down a little.

Great post! My sentiments exactly.

I want lightweight first and foremost!!!!!!!!! I dont want to carry any more weight around than I have to. No e start, no bags unless absolutely necessary, no mech reverse, none of that IMO. And of course no 4 stroke weight with all it's other current detriments either. But that torque sure is nice though. Not a slam here at all but those who say they "cannot feel the weight" are not riding as hard as even I do, or are in denial. My XP is light and there isn't a jump, a set of moguls, an in air attitude adjustment, a corner, powder carve, or a point and shoot scenario where I don't realise that. IMO light is right and the smaller agressive riders, like me, really appreciate how much more nimble a lightweight sled really is. And then there is the whole getting unstuck thing. I'm usually back on the snow now before anyone realises that I was stuck.

I as well am glad that Doo has come out with this 4 stroke. The more options and competition we have in all areas the better our sleds will get in the future. Sure, right now 2 strokes are lighter and smaller, but who knows what the future will hold. Someday a 4 stroke may better a 2 for power to weight, and that is when I will switch. But for now Doo has to start somewhere and if you don't try you won't know what is possible, and will likely be left eating snowdust.

Different strokes for different folks is so appropriate here I just could not resist another repeat. Thanks Ultrastryk

Les

[revcatkiller12]

of course the 4stroke is going to be heavier but look at all the other brands, i think the yamajunk is like 560 pounds.