The spring cup on my primary is near the wear limit and I plan to replace it soon. I figured the sheave bushing should also be replaced. The bushinings are shown individually on BRP’s website. I listed the part numbers and prices below for reference (2009 parts).

I’ve got a few questions:

1. Mine is an ’08. Are the later (’09 & ’10) bushings better and interchangeable?
   I am assuming any year's bushings will fit in an '08 TRA.
   Parts for the '10 Summit are not yet listed.
2. Are there better aftermarket bushings?
3. BRP lists LOCTITE-609 and LOCTITE 680.
   Based on the prices, those must be LARGE containers.
   Anybody know if they are available in the small 6 ml tubes?
4. Is a tight-fitting mandrel necessary to press the bushings in and out?
5. Any tips on doing this maintenance?

Thanks

For the spring cup:
Part Number Description Price
417223086 BUSHING $10.99
293370037 CIRCLIP $3.30
293800118 LOCTITE 680 $38.99

For the Sheave:
Part Number Description Price
417222759 SPRING COVER $57.49
417009204 BUSHING $19.99
413703100 LOCTITE-609 $19.99

My advice....just buy the spring cap assembly, it is only about $55 and then you aren't fighting that bushing, just install the new cap.
The movable sheave bushing is fairly easy, the hardest part is getting the goofy c-clip out, you'll need a dental pick. Tap the old bushing out around the edge with a punch, clean the area and install new bushing with loctite. We use a bushing driver the appropriate size, but it could be tapped in with a socket, piece of tubing etc...it's not a very tight fit.

I second buying the sheave with the bushing already in it. Last year could only get the bushing and pressing out the old and installing the new was a pain.

RickPDX

Hi Rick,

Winter brew suggested buying the entire spring cup, and as I understood what he said, the sheave bushing was worth replacing in the existing sheave. Are you recommending buying a whole new sheave too, or just the spring cup?

Thanks for the quick answers.

What I am trying to say is buying part #417222759 this comes with a bushing already installed #217009204 Replacing just the bushing is a real pain!!
When you are in I would also replace #417223086 BUSHING
Hope that clears up some things.

RickPDX

I also thought they came out with a more durable bearing material on the 09 bushings - or was that the roller bushings? I'd look at you rollers on the arms as well, if they have any play in them at all I would upgrade to the 09 rollers - those definitely got new bushing material in 09.

As as already stated, replace the entire spring cup and replace the bushing in the sheave. Talk to a BRP tech or mechanic, I thought there was a specific procedure to follow for replacing the bushings, heat, loctite and peening. That might just be on the larger secondary bushing on the HPV secondary though. Too many beers and brain cells ago, I've forgotten more then I've learned lately. I'll look back in my notes and see if I can find any reference.

Rick, Now I'm REALLY confused.

If I correctly looked up the parts

1. 417222759 is the SPRING COVER @ $57.49. It includes a new 417223086 BUSHING. I plan to replace my old spring cover as a complete unit.
2. 417009204 is the BUSHING for the movable sheave, @ $19.99 and you write "Replacing just the bushing is a real pain!!'"
3. You suggest, "When you are in I would also replace #417223086 BUSHING". 417223086 is part of the 417222759 SPRING COVER (item 1 above).

I am hoping that you just transposed some part numbers. That would be easy enough to doo. Maybe I did.

I think what both you and Winter Brew intend is that it is most efficient to:

• Buy and install a complete 417222759 SPRING COVER @ $57.49
• Buy a 417009204 BUSHING @ $19.99 and install it in the movable sheave.

I may be misunderstanding. Please let me know if I still have it wrong.

Best regards,
MoPow

You have it right! Entire spring cap and JUST the bushing and clip in the movable sheave. The '09 and newer spring cap is a updated material compared to '07-'08 but same part number. Make sure the new spring cap comes in a box and not a bag.
Just get some Loctite green bushing/bearing retainer at the hardware store and also get a new circlip for the movable sheave bushing, they are a PITA to get out so they will get distorted.

Just FYI dont use any of the part numbers you found. Those are not the right numbers. The sheave bushing should end in 086, and the cap should end in 143. Any other numbers will be an older part number. If you need the exact numbers I can get them tomorrow, to tired to look right now.

Even though green loctite is the accepted loctite to use for bushings and bearing races, I've used the red for years on bushings and bearings in transmissions, transfer cases, etc, works fine. Becoming the industry norm as ok.

Wow! Great information from all DooTalkers! Thanks to everyone for the tips and suggestions.

Gilg2533, I would like those exact part numbers whenever you have the time. We have a new local dealer, and the parts department may not know how to order the latest and best parts.

IronDog, thanks for the roller reminder. I did check the condition, and they are fine. They are the latest version, and have lasted very well.

FYI, I found that the rollers, pins (Fett Bros), and weight screws vary quite a bit in weight. I found a $15 gram scale on eBay that repeatably measures to 0.01 gram, and with a little part switching and some filing of the weight screws got all three pin-roller-weight-key assemblies to be exactly the same. I don't know if equal weight makes much of a difference, but it can't hurt, and lacking enough snow to ride, the time was there.

morepowder,
if you plan on replacing the bushing(which is also referred to as a cushion) in the sliding sheave, i would suggest you buy the brp tool to press it out and back in, after removing the circlip of course.

i've ordered the tool and it turned out to be under 100$ for the 2 pieces.

a friend of mine was impatient, he didn't want to wait for my tools to come in., so we took his sliding sheave to the dealership to get the bushing replaced, under warranty. i believe they used the wrong tools and chipped the sliding sheave where the circlip sits, so that sliding sheave was backordered for 3 weeks and the new sheave finally showed up a few days ago. FYI the sliding sheave is around 180$ canadian.

the locktite is only a 6 ml tube for the horriblly expensive price that brp charges, no different than their prices for the isoflex grease. find it locally if you can.

anyway the part numbers for the tools, are as follows. keep in mind you need the spring compressor to use as a press to take the old bushing out, and put the new bushing in.

529035931 is the sliding sheave bushing remover/installer.
529031200 is the mount for the sliding sheave to sit on while pressing the bushing out or in.

you should also check your slider shoes and the o-rings, not sure if others have said that already but they wear out quickly.

good luck !

chris

I'm sure you can get a loan a tool bushing driver set from an auto part store for free. Will work as good as the BRP tool. When I updated my bushings I just used a buddies snap on set, worked like a charm. The bushing is only plastic and taps right out once the c-clip is removed. Is there updated rollers for the 08's as well? At how many miles is everyone seeing excessive play in the '08's rollers?

Very few. First noticed them wearing at around 800 miles. Found a couple that had completely worn the bushing material away and were wearing the pins down.

So what is the correct part # for the updated cover assy. with bushing?

Part number is the same as what came on the '08's.....just comes from a different vendor I'm told. And comes in a box instead of a bag. Numbers can be found on the Ski-Doo website under parts catalog.

Even if they were the old part nos. they get automatically updated to the newer versions as I understand it.

Have FUN!

G MAN

I just ordered one and it came in a bag not a box. What's weird is part number for just the bushing is different from 08 to 09, but part # for cup assy. is the same for both?

I ordered the spring cover assembly complete, as suggested here. I want to be sure the one I get has the '09 bushing in that assembly. I'm guessing that the packaging could be either a bag or box for the '09. I'm also guess that BRP would like to dump the '08 spring covers with the deficient bushings.

Since BRP has chosen to carry two configurations with the same part number, is there any way to tell the improved part from the deficient part?

i saw DJ posted this info on a different post here., figured you'd like to see it.

http://www.mxzx-revzone.com/article/-162.asp

http://www.mxzx-revzone.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=326

FYI the bushing is NOT plastic. it is made of hardened steel.

mxracer,

Good stuff. Thanks. Joey is a prince! Folks like Joey help make sledding a joy.

I have passed on this information to my closest, and new, dealer, WaterWorld in Medford Oregon. I asked him to contact BRP to find how we can know that when we order an '09 Spring Cover, that we get the '09 bushing in it. While a new BRP dealer, the owner, Ted, has been a Ski-Doo rider since he was a kid, and seems to really understand and care. I'll post what I learn from Ted.

Thanks again,
MoPow