Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: 2 windshields, 1 trail pass - what to do?
DOOTalk Forums > General Information > Canadian Regional Forums > Ontario
snowball236
I have two windshields for my 2005 rev and I need to mount a trail pass on. I would like to switch between them throughout the winter depending on conditions. I know that I can mount the sticker on the hood, but there's not really any great place to mount it there that would look good. I believe my options are:

1) Get a second trail pass for the second windshield. Is this possible, can they both be active?
2) Mount the trail pass UNDER the windshield on the console. Is this allowed?

Any other ideas?

Thx!
mfennell
QUOTE (snowball236 @ Nov 8 2009, 10:16 PM) *
I have two windshields for my 2005 rev and I need to mount a trail pass on. I would like to switch between them throughout the winter depending on conditions. I know that I can mount the sticker on the hood, but there's not really any great place to mount it there that would look good. I believe my options are:

1) Get a second trail pass for the second windshield. Is this possible, can they both be active?
2) Mount the trail pass UNDER the windshield on the console. Is this allowed?

Any other ideas?

Thx!


Flat aluminum or thin lightwieght stock, use the mounting for the windshield through a hole in the stock plate. And it goes sled to sled to sled
Basically like amini plate
Snow-Balls
QUOTE (snowball236 @ Nov 8 2009, 09:16 PM) *
I have two windshields for my 2005 rev and I need to mount a trail pass on. I would like to switch between them throughout the winter depending on conditions. I know that I can mount the sticker on the hood, but there's not really any great place to mount it there that would look good. I believe my options are:

1) Get a second trail pass for the second windshield. Is this possible, can they both be active?
2) Mount the trail pass UNDER the windshield on the console. Is this allowed?

Any other ideas?

Thx!

As a trail patrol member in Ontario, I can tell you, as long as your windshield isn't too dark and the permit can be seen through it, placing the sticker on the dash behind the shield is perfectly acceptable. My nephew does it every year and it works great. This topic was dealt with at one of our recent meetings and was deemed to be fine. BTW I would never hassle a guy who buys a permit. Anybody who's out there giving permit buyers a hard time about exact permit placement is a jerk. Reminds me of "Mall Cop". lol
canadoo
just mount it on the hood? someone can steal your windshield easily also.
wileo
I got nailed for it being removable from my sled $130 fine so I put it on my hood down by the brp sticker
Snnowaterdude
QUOTE (snowball236 @ Nov 8 2009, 09:16 PM) *
I have two windshields for my 2005 rev and I need to mount a trail pass on. I would like to switch between them throughout the winter depending on conditions. I know that I can mount the sticker on the hood, but there's not really any great place to mount it there that would look good. I believe my options are:

1) Get a second trail pass for the second windshield. Is this possible, can they both be active?
2) Mount the trail pass UNDER the windshield on the console. Is this allowed?

Any other ideas?

Thx!

On the hood near the headlight.....must be visible from the front.....
gmiller
what about up at the front on the belly pan or on the rear part of the tunnel where you can see around you feet.
Snow-Balls
QUOTE (wileo @ Nov 9 2009, 12:19 PM) *
I got nailed for it being removable from my sled $130 fine so I put it on my hood down by the brp sticker

Ya, I was kind of thinking that might not fly. The sticker is suppose to be permanently affixed. I guess it depends on who stops you.
gmiller, anywhere other than the windshield area or upper hood area might cause problems.
wileo
heres a pick of mine. didnt have a problem with it there
canadoo
the MTO/OFSC has to address the permit placement issue in the next few years.

they're using a 1960s sled as a template for the placement & with all the new sleds having less and less cowling and different/removable windscreens, somethings gotta give..

but I'd suggest not putting it on the tunnel. it must be facing forward so they can see it when you come up to the checkpoint. I've put mine in a number of spots, never had trouble behind the windscreen on my zx sleds, but have solid shield now.

I do see a lot more people running it off the bars or riser, where I'd like to run mine, but also know people have been ticketed for that. more than a bit ridiculous but still its not in the "rules"

Click to view attachment
Sledslapper
Stick it on your helmet
A7M266D
I got a ticket last year in Holland Landing for having my permit stuck behind my windshield on the dash. Crock of BS if you ask me most of us have 2 windshields for very cold days up north.
Snow-Balls
QUOTE (A7M266D @ Nov 10 2009, 09:02 AM) *
I got a ticket last year in Holland Landing for having my permit stuck behind my windshield on the dash. Crock of BS if you ask me most of us have 2 windshields for very cold days up north.

That's unreal. Never heard of that one.
brutus503
I was gonna ask the same thing. The new mid-height windshield on my XP has the molded in "triangle" reinforcement at the bottom where the pass would normally go. The windshield is smooth above the triangle, but then the pass is starting to encroach on my field of vision. Would also be nice to be able to swap out windshields if I was going out playing in the gravel pits, ditches, etc. and needed to run the trails to get there. The hood on the XP is just as removable as the windshield, and there's not a lot of room on there either. I suppose the pass could go on the side shield beside the main windshield, but then if I swapped to a low windshield the side flares would come off too.

I like the idea of a permanent mounting plate for the pass on the front side of the handlebars. The handlebars are way less removable than any of the body panels on the newer machines!

Then again, the licensing regulations are probably controlled by some city slicker in Toronto or Ottawa who has never been on a sled before and is more interested in making sure their Starbucks mocca latte isn't getting cold! dry.gif
Revs Up
Not sure how often you plan on changing windshields. I picked up some clear 3M stone guard from a decal place.....(Usually this stuff is on the front of car hoods..lower rocker panels...etc where the paint is chip prone)

I stick my trail pass onto this clear 3M stone guard stuff. Then I trim the 3M to match the trail pass. I did this to make things easier every season when time to remove the old one. However, I believe with a little heat on the back side of the windshield, the 3M will come off easily, without damaging the trail pass....and it most likely will go back onto another windshield without an issue.
A7M266D
I went for 3 winters with laminated passes, that I used the windwhield dart to hold on. Never had any hassle until 08 got a ticket for that and was forced to get another permit on the spot, I guess they figured it was stolen / copied or something.

IMO the wardens need to be less anal about how the pass is on the sled and be happy there is a pass on the sled instead of hassling or giving their opinion on where / how it should be placed.
spikedbat
i cant believe they gave tickets for wrong mounting $130 bucks.
thats totally "edit for bad language".
permits should be tied to the riders in my opinion not even directly tied to the sled.

ie. you ride and have more than one machine, you still only need one permit. might be hard to figure out be able to move from one machine to the other but i'm sure its possible.

i dont think its fair if you have 3 sleds and have to buy 3 permits. you can only ride one at a time. obviously its different if you are lending out to friends, then they'd need there own permit.

if people are handing out tickets for non proper mounting of permits for $130, and then forcing you to shell out another $250 on the spot makes you wonder how many people will be stopping the next time.
A7M266D
QUOTE (spikedbat @ Nov 11 2009, 12:08 PM) *
i cant believe they gave tickets for wrong mounting $130 bucks.
thats totally "edit for bad language".
permits should be tied to the riders in my opinion not even directly tied to the sled.

ie. you ride and have more than one machine, you still only need one permit. might be hard to figure out be able to move from one machine to the other but i'm sure its possible.

i dont think its fair if you have 3 sleds and have to buy 3 permits. you can only ride one at a time. obviously its different if you are lending out to friends, then they'd need there own permit.

if people are handing out tickets for non proper mounting of permits for $130, and then forcing you to shell out another $250 on the spot makes you wonder how many people will be stopping the next time.


Exactly! Tag the permit to the driver or the drivers license. I totally agree with this! I also agree you think I will be stopping in Holland Landing again if the trail boss tries to pull me over?
wileo
ya i dont understand why its per sled not the driver. on the good side its only $10 if u crash aand need a new permint.
FreezerBurnt
QUOTE (spikedbat @ Nov 11 2009, 12:08 PM) *
i cant believe they gave tickets for wrong mounting $130 bucks.
thats totally "edit for bad language".
permits should be tied to the riders in my opinion not even directly tied to the sled.

ie. you ride and have more than one machine, you still only need one permit. might be hard to figure out be able to move from one machine to the other but i'm sure its possible.

i dont think its fair if you have 3 sleds and have to buy 3 permits. you can only ride one at a time. obviously its different if you are lending out to friends, then they'd need there own permit.

if people are handing out tickets for non proper mounting of permits for $130, and then forcing you to shell out another $250 on the spot makes you wonder how many people will be stopping the next time.



QUOTE (A7M266D @ Nov 11 2009, 01:55 PM) *
Exactly! Tag the permit to the driver or the drivers license. I totally agree with this! I also agree you think I will be stopping in Holland Landing again if the trail boss tries to pull me over?



QUOTE (wileo @ Nov 11 2009, 07:08 PM) *
ya i dont understand why its per sled not the driver. on the good side its only $10 if u crash aand need a new permint.


Simple, you have a Family of 4 , you have one sled, your son and wife ride too,or your Bros inlaw wants to borrow the sled one day

Do ya think they should have to get permits also if they are just using the one sled???

Do you plate both your truck and car if you have both or do you switch plates back and forth?

As for running away from Trail patrol, good luck and I hope you get caught




trailblazer295
My dad stuck is on back of the gauge cluster behind his clear windshield, no problem seeing it when passing. Got stopped by OPP last year and they never mentioned it. If they see you can remove it then you might have issues even though its for the same sled.
snowball236
QUOTE (Revs Up @ Nov 10 2009, 05:07 PM) *
Not sure how often you plan on changing windshields. I picked up some clear 3M stone guard from a decal place.....(Usually this stuff is on the front of car hoods..lower rocker panels...etc where the paint is chip prone)

I stick my trail pass onto this clear 3M stone guard stuff. Then I trim the 3M to match the trail pass. I did this to make things easier every season when time to remove the old one. However, I believe with a little heat on the back side of the windshield, the 3M will come off easily, without damaging the trail pass....and it most likely will go back onto another windshield without an issue.


I guess that the key verbiage is really the "PERMANENTLY affixed in the approved areas so that it is FULLY visible to a person standing 10 meters in front of the machine on its CENTERLINE."

So to me, it can be on the console, as long as it's PERMANENT... and the windshield isn't too dark. I guess that permanent would mean, if you were to remove it from the sled it would leave the little void marks on it...

Although hey, mounting on the windshield seems fine although windshields are easily removed... (I guess tthat's the gap in all of this).

Thanks for the input everyone, I guess that I will be mounting on the hood, or console... although I had a really nifty setup on plastic behind the windshield... oh well.
Snow-Balls
QUOTE (FreezerBurnt @ Nov 12 2009, 09:33 AM) *
As for running away from Trail patrol, good luck and I hope you get caught

Nobody's out running my cell phone. If I pull you over, I just want to make sure you bought a permit. Stick it to your forehead for all I care, but be a dick and try to roost me, and i'm on the phone to someone up ahead. I buy two permits per year and smile, worry free, all season long.
gmiller
QUOTE (Snow-Balls @ Nov 9 2009, 05:04 PM) *
Ya, I was kind of thinking that might not fly. The sticker is suppose to be permanently affixed. I guess it depends on who stops you.
gmiller, anywhere other than the windshield area or upper hood area might cause problems.

My issue is that i have 2 windshields, I use one for the really cold days or the trips up the lake. I also have a black hood counsle and a white hood counsle and im not sure which one im going to use this year and im probibly going to swap back a forth throughout the year. So im kinda lost on where to put it.
FreezerBurnt
QUOTE (Snow-Balls @ Nov 12 2009, 09:55 PM) *
Nobody's out running my cell phone. If I pull you over, I just want to make sure you bought a permit. Stick it to your forehead for all I care, but be a dick and try to roost me, and i'm on the phone to someone up ahead. I buy two permits per year and smile, worry free, all season long.


Couple yrs ago on patrol, 2 sleds come up to us and one stops we approach the fellow his buddy runs off like a bat out of hell,does not stop at the road and is gone. We give the other fellow a warning. Well after that we are heading back to the garage which is off the trail behind some farms,and guess who has his hood up and sled not running???? Yup the fellow that took off,kinda ironic he would follow our chief Patrollers private trail to his place and break down, we tried helping him but he got his buddy to tow him. The poor fellow thought it was the end of the world. We are just there to make sure they have a permit and that is it. Both did not have permits and had the excuse they just bought the sleds
Snow-Balls
QUOTE (FreezerBurnt @ Nov 12 2009, 11:24 PM) *
Couple yrs ago on patrol, 2 sleds come up to us and one stops we approach the fellow his buddy runs off like a bat out of hell,does not stop at the road and is gone. We give the other fellow a warning. Well after that we are heading back to the garage which is off the trail behind some farms,and guess who has his hood up and sled not running???? Yup the fellow that took off,kinda ironic he would follow our chief Patrollers private trail to his place and break down, we tried helping him but he got his buddy to tow him. The poor fellow thought it was the end of the world. We are just there to make sure they have a permit and that is it. Both did not have permits and had the excuse they just bought the sleds

Funny the way things work out sometimes. Nice of you guys to help him out. Have a safe season FreezerBurnt.

gmiller. Hey buddy. If you're going to be changing your windshield alot, my only suggestion is try to pick a hood and find a spot on it. I know it sucks, but the fine would suck more.
lindasledgirl
QUOTE (spikedbat @ Nov 11 2009, 12:08 PM) *
i cant believe they gave tickets for wrong mounting $130 bucks.
thats totally "edit for bad language".
permits should be tied to the riders in my opinion not even directly tied to the sled.

ie. you ride and have more than one machine, you still only need one permit. might be hard to figure out be able to move from one machine to the other but i'm sure its possible.

i dont think its fair if you have 3 sleds and have to buy 3 permits. you can only ride one at a time. obviously its different if you are lending out to friends, then they'd need there own permit.

if people are handing out tickets for non proper mounting of permits for $130, and then forcing you to shell out another $250 on the spot makes you wonder how many people will be stopping the next time.



I agree 100%%!!!! That makes good sense!
TNT8000
QUOTE (lindasledgirl @ Nov 13 2009, 08:34 AM) *
I agree 100%%!!!! That makes good sense!

shzzz if you can afford to have extra windshields, extra consoles and hoods why don't you just buy 2 permits for the sled. PROBLEM SOLVED!
Snow-Balls
The money's got to come from somewhere guys. I'm not justifying $200/$250, but if they offer a vintage discount, multi-sled discount, family discount, and who knows what else discount, they're still going to want the same amount of total money coming in. Guess who will make up the difference. Average Joe with one sled with one windshield.
"Hey Stanley, enjoy your $100 permit, mine cost me $300!" Just saying... TgC_emoticon142.gif
windsurfnut
QUOTE (snowball236 @ Nov 8 2009, 09:16 PM) *
I have two windshields for my 2005 rev and I need to mount a trail pass on. I would like to switch between them throughout the winter depending on conditions. I know that I can mount the sticker on the hood, but there's not really any great place to mount it there that would look good. I believe my options are:

1) Get a second trail pass for the second windshield. Is this possible, can they both be active?
2) Mount the trail pass UNDER the windshield on the console. Is this allowed?

Any other ideas?

Thx!


I put mine under the windshield here in Ontario as well, and never was hassled. Did it for the same reason.

Snow-Balls
QUOTE (windsurfnut @ Nov 13 2009, 06:59 PM) *
I put mine under the windshield here in Ontario as well, and never was hassled. Did it for the same reason.

I'm going to suggest that very thing to our club president. I'll ask that he table a motion at the next OFSC convention. IMO There's nothing wrong with doing that very thing. If we gang up on our clubs, maybe we can have it added as an official acceptable location. Talk to your clubs. Spread the word. We are the OFSC.
snowball236
QUOTE (Snow-Balls @ Nov 13 2009, 10:42 PM) *
I'm going to suggest that very thing to our club president. I'll ask that he table a motion at the next OFSC convention. IMO There's nothing wrong with doing that very thing. If we gang up on our clubs, maybe we can have it added as an official acceptable location. Talk to your clubs. Spread the word. We are the OFSC.



Got my pass today and I tried it on the console with my two windshields, and my larger one is too dark for the pass to be easily visible through it... So I guess that the inevitable is that I will have to place it on the hood. What a shame, but I am not ready to accept a >$100 fine when I just dropped $200 today. Oh well. Thanks for all the help and input.

And it's a great point made here, let's lobby the OSFC from the ground up to make some much needed changes and clarifications to this policy.
A7M266D
I do own and ride two sleds, I have always purchased two permits for the different sleds but do not agree with having to do so. I can only ride one at a time and use one at a time.

Back to me getting a ticket in Holland Landing for having it behind my windshield is ridiculous I can see the patrolers that post here have more sense then that. I think they need to update from 1970 on proper permit placement.
newdoo
QUOTE (A7M266D @ Nov 16 2009, 09:43 AM) *
I do own and ride two sleds, I have always purchased two permits for the different sleds but do not agree with having to do so. I can only ride one at a time and use one at a time.

Back to me getting a ticket in Holland Landing for having it behind my windshield is ridiculous I can see the patrolers that post here have more sense then that. I think they need to update from 1970 on proper permit placement.

Wow! U own 2 sleds, and thus pay for 2 insurance, trailer (assume so ?), tow vehicle, etc, and you disagree with having to buy two permit? I could only wish I was in your position......
I have two vehicles, but can only drive one at a time, and have to pay for two vehicle licence plates, insurances, etc. If you're going to play, you're gonna pay!
Who said a "hobby" or sport MUST be inexpensive? Try minor hockey these days. biggrin.gif
FreezerBurnt
Or you can have the Manitoba pass + ugly plate

look in the top corner that is the pass(red) here about the size of a stamp, they don't have patrols here like Ontario if they did it would be a PIA to verify everyones passes
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2010 Invision Power Services, Inc.