I am extremely impressed with the MBRP/Cudney header for the 1200. First off, Bill had the Header to me in two days. I opened up the box and the header was either polished or ceramic coated - which I did not expect. Looked almost like chrome. Welds were done very nicely. I installed the header today and the fit/finish was very impressive. Overall extremely pleased with my purchase.

Can we see a video to hear it ?

I ordered the header, carbon fiber can and RB3 controller. Since the carbon fiber cans aren't ready yet, Bill hasn't finalized the program for the controller. So all I've received right now is the header.

Hopefully mine shows up soon. Can't wait to install it and hear it.

Did your box have instructions? Mine didn't and I found out the hard way that the stock can will NOT install after the header is installed. The can has to be in first then slide the header in place. Also mine has a bad leak at the center pipe, the clamp supplied will not tighten down tight enough. I'm not nearly as impressed as you.

There was no instructions. And I don't have my can yet so I assume I'll have the same problem - or is there a chance the small carbon fiber can will allow it to be mounted last. Also, I did not start it up because I didn't have a can so I don't know if I have an exhaust leak or not.

Not sure, i would imagine a smaller can will fit on after. I'm "edit for bad language" actually, you have to remove the entire header now to change an oil filter.

I spoke with MBRP about the fit and they said to install the header with the stock muffler in place. what I did with mine was to bend the rear tab up on the back of the stock muffler, the one that goes into the rubber at the back and the can will go off and on no problem and there is no problem with the tab not being in the rubber. As for the calmp I have let them know about it and all you have to do is to remove the nut and put a spacer on the thread and it will tighten fine. With an after market muffler there is no issue.- Bill

Thanks Bill, I will try that tonight with the clamp.

Tried the spacer and tightened down as much as the clamp would go and still have a major exhaust leak. I think it will need a proper exhaust clamp rather than the hose type clamp. Surely I am not the only person with a leak. Now question is where do I find a stainless 1 3/4" pipe clamp with a small enough thread to fit between the pipes. Thank goodness theres no snow...

Not sure why you are having problems we have installed 6 of them now and they all worked fine with the spacer, email me your address and I will send you a clamp in the mail that we have here from an original header. - Bill

Has any one weighted the new header and weighted the oem pipe my numbers come up the header is 2lbs heavyier.What is the claim for HP with this header.

I'm a little concerned w/ having to pull the header every time you want to change your oil (filter).

Just bend the tab on the muffler to get it in and out like Bill suggested earlier or use an aftermarket muffler. From what I understand the header itself will not be in the way you just have to remove the muffler to change oil filter.

Ahhh....so its NOT the "header" that is the problem......gotcha I havnt ordered ANYTHING yet. I am still watching,listening,and learning.....ha ha


Will the stock clutching work with the header?

Huh? What he is telling us is... after spending $700.00 on a quality product, you will need to bend the metal support bracket and render it useless on your new 13,000.00 sled. With the stock setup you can easily remove and replace the can for access to your filter, with the 700.00 header installed you have to bend the bracket and your 20lb can is held in place by four springs with no bracket. IMO this is not acceptable for such an expensive piece of equipment.

Diesel93 you can send it back to us for a full refund seeing as how you aren't happy. - Bill

Thanks Bill, I will see how the new clamp works and go from there. Might seem like i'm stirring the pot but i'm not, i'm calling it as it is.

You guys are unbielevable! This is a quality header and people are whining that a tab has to be bent to allow easy installation/removal of the stock muffler - which few people will probably run. I for one am glad Bill has made the header available even though the can and controller aren't ready. What is important is the quality (304 ss, welds look terrific, design doesn't interfer with anything under the hood, doesn't cost $1200, etc). That comment about the product not being "ready" and "I'll watch the R&D unfold" is ridiculous. What I don't know is will this produce the HP that was stated. But so far so good.

Bill, I would imagine the majority of people appreciate the effort but unfortunately, it's only the whiners that post.

You couldn't be more wrong dude. Re read your original post. You have not even fired your sled yet nor have you fitted a can to it and your praising its fit and finish?? I agree the header looks fantastic and its quality looks to be top notch when its sitting on my work bench. A 700.00 aftermarket component should bolt right in, NO bending of OEM parts. What part of quality fit and finish do you not understand??

Isn't the metal tab that can be bent if needed on the stock silencer not the header?

You guys are the reason why so many of us give up building and selling parts, you want it all , at a rediculouse price and dont expect to have to modify a thing. Leave it stock whiners everyone would be greatful.

AMEN! I'm in manufacturing. Classic. Please tell me what you manufacture so I can be sure not to buy it. I've modified everything from my dodge Viper to Yamaha sport bikes to my sleds. EVERYTHING, involves a little tweaking. If you can't handle it, leave your stuff stock and go away.

Yes hes referring to the bracket on the stock can that hooks into the chain case. You know the bracket that Ski Doo engineers even though cutting weight in every nook and cranny figured was rather important enough to include?

Man you're on top of my list : The most irrational I mean you've got to re-read your posts before adding any replys on here in the future. You say it's a quality product and that the comment about its not being ''ready'' and that the ''R&D'' is unfolding is ridiculous but 2 sentences before you say the can and controler aren't ready....... couple sentences later that no one knows what HP it really does?????? Wake-up dude or go to another vendor for what you take

Oh but read his original post! Hes got a shiny new header bolted in. No can on it.... and well.... hasn't heard it run yet but HEY! stop posting crap about the header!!

Ok let's move on now this is really going south fast, ( and we all know the south has no snow ).

Some of you guys may want to RE-READ the SITE RULES.

I have deleted a few posts in this thread and edited a few.

The bashing, name calling and down right insults WILL NOT be tolerated.

Plain and simple.

~Bob

My post may have not been insightful, but it was probably the nicest one on the whole thread, must have insulted someone by saying good luck and thanks for the laughs huh??

I like reading these posts when you know alot of inside info on product availability, product testing, and how all this stuff is gonna work together, How the RB3 actually works, you all would be very surprised and humbled!

By the sounds of things, you guys must change your oil filter after every ride. Give me a brake. The oil filter is a once a year deal for most.

Can you give us a few more clues..... Are you saying that these sleds are going to kick some "edit for bad language" when all the parts are put together????

I Have not purchased the 1200 yet, but I will be putting my money down on either a 800 renegade, or the 1200 ren. in the next couple weeks.

I want more power than what is probable from the etec 600, but dont have 5,000 for turbos or superchargers on the 1200 either. I want to ride , not repair ,tweek on the side of the trail!!!

In reply to the bickering, $700 is a big chunk of money for a bolt on. But bending a tab is not that god awful. And as was said before, there is always a trade off when looking for more power. If everything worked like a charm, and bolted on in 3 minutes , skidoo would have done it that way at the factory. Think of a set of headers on a mustang or camaro, I dont know how many sets of plug wires I've gone thru, because I put equal lenght big tube headers on my various late model muscle cars.

I see both sides... and think some respect in both directions would help everybody !!

X2 Andrew.

How much can you be surprised by a 150 HP sled? Maybe in 600', but a lot of races are much longer than that.

Thats not what I meant Blue, there is alot of misleading info on this site with the mods mentioned.

I was hoping you were going to say someone was seeing 170 HP normally aspirated.

THere was one on the engine dyno today with a sponsors header, I would definetly go the turbo route!

X2

Well? your not going to just leave us hanging are you?? Just the numbers versus stock, not who made it would be fine...

I would like to be enlightened by those in the "know". you say you have info but fail to share it with us in the forums. kind of defeats the purpose of the forums or posting.

adding a header is not going to be adding tons of power to anything. they will help remove spent gasses out of the system, which can help get fresh charge in for better power. but how much?

as for misleading info, there are lots of it on many subjects, last year I remember reading how a 1000 mach was faster than the nssr record. I never got to see one do it, only claimed here in the forums.