I'm buying a new backcountry renegade and I would like to stud the track. It comes with a 16"x 137" x 13/4" Powdermax track. Has anybody studded this track, and if so what did you use and how did the track hold up?

saw one in jackman last winter. believe they were snowcross studs made for the 1.75 trach with tall nuts

this is a off-trail track,why would you want to put studs in it.as soft as the lugs are on the powdermax track,i think you would bend or break studs very easily.the 1.75" ripsaw would be a better canidite for studs because of the firmer lugs.

I'd like to stud the track because I frequently have to travel the lakes in western Maine to get to the good riding spots. The lake tend to be ice skating rink and the studding is a must. Also trail riding to get to the good spots can tend to be hard and icy.

If it was on an 06 Gade X that was me

& yes, I used Woody's 1.86" snowcross studs... if you're going to use them on a single-ply track, stud in pairs with double backers & use the x-tra tall nuts... the snow-X studs only have a 15/16" head.

02mxz - There's a lot of places over here where studs are a necessary evil... especially late-season... unless you enjoy tree bark for lunch... ask anyone that's come off ITS-82 down into Dixfield in mid March... that stretch is littered every season with bumper pieces, mirrors, etc.


kkfree - We'll be at Snodeo this season, Thurs thru Sunday... at the Town & Lake.

Thanks Dix. We run the lakes up to Bosebucks and beyond and studs are a must. We have a place on Mooselook so we always go to Snowdeo. Lots of fun. Is the track you studded a powdermax and how many studs did you use? Thanks again.

sorry to hijack but I am waiting for a sample stud from SnowStuds which is a 1.875 stud for a single ply. I run a summit 146 and am changing my track to either a Ripsaw lite 1.75 or a Challanger lite 2". I might stud the 2" track as the softer lugs may bend a bit and allow a bit of purchase with the 1.875's. I figure these should dig in a little bit for traction althought the 1.75 would get the best bite. You should be fine with either track as I would think the studs would also help support the track on your sled. We deffinately need them here in Maine. See you on the trails

Mooslicmaguntic (sp?)

Hey, I'm right off RT.17 just passed Coo's Canyon but before Houghton. There is a trail ya know that will keep you off the lakes that goes to Bosebuc.

I'd ride that before picking my track.

For us the fastest way is riding the lakes, and I found studs in the spring are a must on the trails. I've been on Mooselook in the spring and if you didn't have studs it was near imposible to run safely. Which trail are you talking about to Bosebuck?

The one that heads out of Oquosic across the swinging bridge. Lots of wildlife to see or watch out for that way, not to mention it's also the same way to the "boarder cut". There is the most challenging off trail I have ever ridden with steep and deep mostly after fresh snow, and talk about spring ridding that has to be one place that has the latest.

We'll have to meet up. I'm on the hill in Byron right behind angel falls.

I know the trails out of Oquossoc it's 10 miles quicker for us if we run the lakes. Our camp is on the far end of Mooselook by Bemis stream. Your right the border cut it some of the best riding in the area. In the spring we trailer to tim pond road and go in from there. We met a bunch of guys from Wallingfords equipment up at the cut last year and they are the ones that sold us on the new gade e-tecs. My cousin bought a left over 09 from them and I bought a 2010 backcountry from Oquossoc Marine because they would take my trade. So if you see two nuts on new gades this winter that will be us. I'm going to try the track without the studs for the winter but I know come spring time I'll miss them.

The track I use is a 16x137x1.75 single-ply Camoplast Challenger 2.86" (XP) pitch... I put 2.86" pitch drivers on from the 06-07 440 race sled.

I used a 2-3-2-3 pattern (120 on a 137" XP Track)... next time I'll use a 2-2-2 or 4-0-4 pattern with double-backers as I've had a couple pullouts with the single-ply track & 15/16" head studs... double backers would likely have prevented that... either that or a stud with a larger head.

If the studs ME-renegade mentioned have larger heads (bigger than 1" - I would assume they would) I'd go with those... I was going to use FastTrac's Top Gun II as they have 1-1/32" heads, but I got a steal on the Woody's so I took a chance.

SnowStuds Warthog XZP has a 1" head.

http://www.snowstuds.com/studs_bigshot.html

These seem like they would work. I have asked them to send me a sample of 1.875 so I can take a look at it and see how its actuall measure is from the surface of the track so I can get actual length. I hope I can run these with the Camo Challanger Lite track 15x2" vs the Rip Lite 15x1.75". I will post back when I get this and let you guys know what I think of length and quality.

I'll probably run into you guys up that way as well this winter. I ride mostly around The Loaf but try to ride your area from time to time. Bowsbuck (sp) is awesome.

Yea, let us know what you find when you can lay eyes on 'em... most interesting measurement for me would be the diameter of the head... I'd like to see around 1-1/8".

These studs look interesting. Any idea what the diference is between a single bull and double system?

single or double backers

Has anybody tried the big shots yet?

Thought I would give you guys an update as it seems not many people have used the Snow Stud 1.87's yet. I am in the process of installing these on a 146x15x1.75 ripsaw ..... which they are only producing as a Polaris/Skidoo track so it is center punched.

These studs are 1.25 at the base and have a great profile. They seem like they will sit about 1 7/8" and the backer plate looks bomber. I am also impressed with the weight as they seem light. They also have a warranty. I got these and the track from Johnmaster.net and he was awesome to deal with.

Hope this info helps. Now we just need some snow here in Maine.

Just ordered 98 from him yesterday. Great to deal with. Now all I need is a sled to put them on. Still waiting for my Backcountry.

what do you mean center punched

The middle of the track is ported for the Polaris drive system.... there are three windows instead of two. Some dealers may have the other version. I was a little disappointed with this but I will live with it. I am just going to have to change the stud locations a little.

i got the 1.75 ripsaw for my summit from tracks usa its not punched

thats the only reason i switched tracks the porting on the stock track was horrible

They changed the part number last week. Im a little late to the dance. I didn't want it but there are no other deep lug options in a 146 that you can sink a stud in. Pretty limiting.

Thanks for the info on the studs... if I have any more pullouts this season I'll be putting a new track in next summer... wish those had been available last year.

We'll finally got a chance to install Accord racing Big Shot studs. Here's a picture of them installed. These are the 1.87 studs. They seem like well made studs I'll report on how they hold up.

Here's another picture.

same studs but on the Ripsaw Lite 1.75. This is the 146x15x1.75 track for both Doo and the Poo Assualt. I hope I like it.

Hey guys, I also ride Maine back country but up in the Churchill Dam area. I have never run studs before, and I usually just deal with the glare ice situations as they come. It does seem like studs would be nice but I always thought there would be no way that a stud big enough to clear a 1.75" lug would stay in? It just seems like they would be really heavy and have too much leverage on the track? Is this not the case?

I am running the Challenger with Woody's 1.86 Gold Diggers.

102 studs for my set up and weight is about 10lbs. They should be fine unless you are ripping across roads and railroad tracks. Nature of the beast that you will eventually tear through with some but I had 96 on my 04 renegade 600 and they held up great until last year.... It would have been a great excuse to upgrade the track anyways but I wrecked the sled. Better to have a little extra protection in my mind.. I like to be able to stop when necessary. I wish I trusted ice screws as they are less expensive and save weight but not sure how they would work out. They do look like they would site well in the 1.75 ripsaw track but not sure if the lugs break off or if the screws pull out easy. Sorry to ramble, work sucks, need snow... and beer.

there is a reason these studs are hard to find .... doesn't make sense .. like whiping before you S#$T..... I have a camp in the area, I ride 3k a year I have very rarely seen the lakes dangerous to cross because of glare ice, maybe once or twice a year, I just slow down..... I have a 1.75 track and I think Studs are dumb (my opinion). you prob should just bend half of them now and pull the other half out so your not "edit for bad language" when it happens half way through this season

These studs are not hard to find, they are sno cross studs. Guys have been studding 1.75 tracks for years. It makes sense if you want good powder and trail riding on ice, which as you know is constant early and late season. Lots of ice in Maine. Dependability can be verified with guys in Maine that ride them. I'm going this set up soon.

I guess Snow-X racers are dumb then.

If you think studding (even a 1.75" track) is dumb in Maine, try coming down off ITS-82 into Dixfield to gas up in mid-late March... once you've finished hiking back up the ridge to pick up the pieces of your sled & picked all the tree bark out of your teeth, THEN get back to me on that one

Going up it without being studded at that time of year???..... Rotsa Ruck!!!!!




With a single-ply track, I'd say the new "Big Shot" studs from Accord Racing (snowstuds.com) with the 1-1/4" head are the ticket... or a snowcross pattern & double-backers with a standard head stud.

I used a modified "120" pattern with standard head studs on my single-ply last season (Woody's 1.86" racing) and I did end up with 2 pullouts.... also, I know where & when that happened & I'm not 100% certain that it wouldn't have happened even with a 2-ply track... trying to impersonate a wood chipper/stump grinder can get kinda tough on 'em.

Still... the 1-1/4" head on the Big Shots or double backers would likely hold up better.

137"x16" single-ply 1-3/4" Camoplast Challenger (2.86" pitch) - 120 1.86" Woody's Snow-X race studs

They are only hard to find if you look towards our local dealers. Most don't carry an inventory of "ANYTHING" and have limited knowledge of stuff outside of the doo catalog. Try adding performance shocks and studs to a summit and see what kind of response you get when you look for input. The Snowstud 1.87's are made for single ply tracks... snowcrosser or not.

Studs are a personal preference and stupid is as stupid does. Don't worry, I'll help you get back into town after your wreck on that ONE corner. Had 3200 miles on a 1.25" track with pics, several "thank god I have studs situations" and only three pull throughts. Seemed worth it to me but what do I know.

Hey Dix, ya didn't have to take the track off to show us did ya? Happy holidays everyone.

Of course... always ready to go the "extra mile"


Naa... actually that's an old pic from when I installed it last season.... studding is SOOOO much easier when you can just thread the track around a couple boards layed across a pair of sawhorses.

Picking up a Challanger 1.75 this evening for the gade.

Going with the 1.6 backers and the Big Shot in a 1.87 length. Going with a standard 2-2-2 pattern up the middle.

Not bad getting it all shipped for 263.00 total.

http://www.sabertraction.com/studs_bigshot.html

I guess these come with their own version of the tall nuts.

I have about 250 mile on these studs and so far so good. They hookup well on the lake and give great traction on packed trails. We'll see how they last over the whole season.

KK, do you have an update for us? I'm going to be spring ordering a Backcountry X and will most likely stud it.
I think I might have seen you on 2/20 leaving Oquossoc. Do you ride 2 up on your Backcountry?

Greg

Around here a lot of huys are running 1.95 roetin's in there 1.25". mind you there doing it for the hook up factor to launch from the pack. no problems on the trail. and with the 3/4" nuts the seem to be holding up fine. once you get it to hook coming out, you'll never go back.

Anyone try th3 1.625 studs in their 1.75" track. My thought is that they would still bie as the track tips flex. Not a set up for pure traction, but might help in some of those icy chutes and steep grades. Maybe be less likely to pull thru too, as they would not be pounding as hard constantly????