Howdy
Pardon my lack of knowledge and the fact that I'm from Alaska, but I need some opions. Ski Doo is supposedly introducing in the spring of 2011 a Skandic Expedition SE model in either the 600 SDI or the 1200 4-TEC engines. My question is how do you think it would stand up to my 2003 Skandic SUV 600 carb? The 2003 is a comfortable workhorse with lots of snot and will EASILY pull 2,500 pounds (sorry I don't know the metric conversion). Has anyone heard anything about the new sled either go or bad? Thanks.
LCinAK
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QUOTE (LCinAK @ Sep 25 2009, 03:04 PM) 
Howdy
Pardon my lack of knowledge and the fact that I'm from Alaska, but I need some opions. Ski Doo is supposedly introducing in the spring of 2011 a Skandic Expedition SE model in either the 600 SDI or the 1200 4-TEC engines. My question is how do you think it would stand up to my 2003 Skandic SUV 600 carb? The 2003 is a comfortable workhorse with lots of snot and will EASILY pull 2,500 pounds (sorry I don't know the metric conversion). Has anyone heard anything about the new sled either go or bad? Thanks.
LCinAK
Pardon my lack of knowledge and the fact that I'm from Alaska, but I need some opions. Ski Doo is supposedly introducing in the spring of 2011 a Skandic Expedition SE model in either the 600 SDI or the 1200 4-TEC engines. My question is how do you think it would stand up to my 2003 Skandic SUV 600 carb? The 2003 is a comfortable workhorse with lots of snot and will EASILY pull 2,500 pounds (sorry I don't know the metric conversion). Has anyone heard anything about the new sled either go or bad? Thanks.
LCinAK
LC
Don't worry about if either can compare, they will both outperform your 600 carb. I have the 600 sdi and the thing is powerfull and a sipper on fuel which is nice. This more of a question of preference on the engines. The 600 is louder than the 1200. The 600 is stinky in comparison to the 4 stroker. The 1200 is probably going to weigh a lot more than the 600. Don't know the conditions that you ride in but you will have to weigh this against the two options. The huge reason to switch is the ergos. The new machines are so much nicer to ride and easier on your body.
Where are you in AK, I would be happy to meet you sometime this winter and let you give my 09 600 sdi XU a try. I'm in Anchorage.
Later
Matt
IMO if you often haul loads like 2500 pounds (1100-1200 kg) I would go for the 600 carb anyday and you also have the "unbreakable" steel chassi, the drivers comfort i guess arenīt an issue with that kind of hauling.
My own experience is that the 600 SDI (both in the Yeti/Skandic TUV chassies) compared to the carbed 600 are lean on fuel in light conditions but in deeper snow and hauling loads of 500 to 2-3000 pounds (wood hauling for me) the SDI becomes a monster/miser on fuel.
Normally the 600 SDI gives me about 14 mpg but with heavy loads 1000-2000 ponds it only gives about 5 mpg.
Compared to this the 600 carbed ones i haveīd earlier never gave less than 7-8 mpg in any conditions and it was also a stronger puller in real slow speed/rpm:s, the SDI needs more rpm to pull hard and heavy and it sometimes gets the track to spin.
The 1200 4 tec is a interesting piece and after seeing and lifting it in the spring shows here in scandinavia I am quite impressed, gonna have to try it this season
My own experience is that the 600 SDI (both in the Yeti/Skandic TUV chassies) compared to the carbed 600 are lean on fuel in light conditions but in deeper snow and hauling loads of 500 to 2-3000 pounds (wood hauling for me) the SDI becomes a monster/miser on fuel.
Normally the 600 SDI gives me about 14 mpg but with heavy loads 1000-2000 ponds it only gives about 5 mpg.
Compared to this the 600 carbed ones i haveīd earlier never gave less than 7-8 mpg in any conditions and it was also a stronger puller in real slow speed/rpm:s, the SDI needs more rpm to pull hard and heavy and it sometimes gets the track to spin.
The 1200 4 tec is a interesting piece and after seeing and lifting it in the spring shows here in scandinavia I am quite impressed, gonna have to try it this season
All kinds of good advice here, just a point of clarification though:
The Ski-doo Expedition Rev-XU was introduced in MY2009 with the 600SDI;
The 1200 4-tec engine option was added for MY2010, which was showcased in Spring 2009 along with an SE Spring-order-only version;
Both the 600SDI and the 1200 4-tec are regular engine options for all MY2010 Expedition Rev-XU's
The Ski-doo Expedition Rev-XU was introduced in MY2009 with the 600SDI;
The 1200 4-tec engine option was added for MY2010, which was showcased in Spring 2009 along with an SE Spring-order-only version;
Both the 600SDI and the 1200 4-tec are regular engine options for all MY2010 Expedition Rev-XU's
QUOTE (matt.ak @ Sep 25 2009, 03:47 PM)
LC
Don't worry about if either can compare, they will both outperform your 600 carb. I have the 600 sdi and the thing is powerfull and a sipper on fuel which is nice. This more of a question of preference on the engines. The 600 is louder than the 1200. The 600 is stinky in comparison to the 4 stroker. The 1200 is probably going to weigh a lot more than the 600. Don't know the conditions that you ride in but you will have to weigh this against the two options. The huge reason to switch is the ergos. The new machines are so much nicer to ride and easier on your body.
Where are you in AK, I would be happy to meet you sometime this winter and let you give my 09 600 sdi XU a try. I'm in Anchorage.
Later
Matt
Don't worry about if either can compare, they will both outperform your 600 carb. I have the 600 sdi and the thing is powerfull and a sipper on fuel which is nice. This more of a question of preference on the engines. The 600 is louder than the 1200. The 600 is stinky in comparison to the 4 stroker. The 1200 is probably going to weigh a lot more than the 600. Don't know the conditions that you ride in but you will have to weigh this against the two options. The huge reason to switch is the ergos. The new machines are so much nicer to ride and easier on your body.
Where are you in AK, I would be happy to meet you sometime this winter and let you give my 09 600 sdi XU a try. I'm in Anchorage.
Later
Matt
QUOTE (matt.ak @ Sep 25 2009, 03:47 PM)
LC
Don't worry about if either can compare, they will both outperform your 600 carb. I have the 600 sdi and the thing is powerfull and a sipper on fuel which is nice. This more of a question of preference on the engines. The 600 is louder than the 1200. The 600 is stinky in comparison to the 4 stroker. The 1200 is probably going to weigh a lot more than the 600. Don't know the conditions that you ride in but you will have to weigh this against the two options. The huge reason to switch is the ergos. The new machines are so much nicer to ride and easier on your body.
Where are you in AK, I would be happy to meet you sometime this winter and let you give my 09 600 sdi XU a try. I'm in Anchorage.
Later
Matt
Don't worry about if either can compare, they will both outperform your 600 carb. I have the 600 sdi and the thing is powerfull and a sipper on fuel which is nice. This more of a question of preference on the engines. The 600 is louder than the 1200. The 600 is stinky in comparison to the 4 stroker. The 1200 is probably going to weigh a lot more than the 600. Don't know the conditions that you ride in but you will have to weigh this against the two options. The huge reason to switch is the ergos. The new machines are so much nicer to ride and easier on your body.
Where are you in AK, I would be happy to meet you sometime this winter and let you give my 09 600 sdi XU a try. I'm in Anchorage.
Later
Matt
Matt
Thank you for the information. I live in Galena which is a ways from you. Yes, my 2003 SUV is hard on the body after awhile. I figure that a man cannot be too comfortable - to quote a wise man other than myself. I'm a 2 cycle kind of guy so it sounds like I need the 600 SDI. One thing though, SkiDoo is bragging that the new Expedition 600 SDI has a clutch that grabs at a lower rpm than my 03 SUV. You hint on that the new 600 SDI may rev higher before her clutch bites the plate. Two questions: 1) what do you think of the REV-XU frame for the Expedition? Is it steel and will it stand up to HEAVY hauling over LONG distance? 2) what do think of the Expedition's front suspension? Will it perform as well as or better than the trailing arms on my 2003 SUV? Thank you again for the help with this. Later.
LCinAK
From the Scandinavian point of view i would say that the REX XU chassie is durable for hauling, tried it out last winter for wood hauling with 1200-2000 pounds with no problems what so ever.
(of course hard use with the head left at home running over a ditch or someting in full speed and load brakes any chassie steel or alu.)
Front suspension performs better than the older trailing arms, i would say that the A arm construction are stronger than the trailing arms but you have to be a little careful with the front lower arms if you dont have some sort of protection
(of course hard use with the head left at home running over a ditch or someting in full speed and load brakes any chassie steel or alu.)
Front suspension performs better than the older trailing arms, i would say that the A arm construction are stronger than the trailing arms but you have to be a little careful with the front lower arms if you dont have some sort of protection
QUOTE (LCinAK @ Oct 2 2009, 05:20 PM)
Matt
Thank you for the information. I live in Galena which is a ways from you. Yes, my 2003 SUV is hard on the body after awhile. I figure that a man cannot be too comfortable - to quote a wise man other than myself. I'm a 2 cycle kind of guy so it sounds like I need the 600 SDI. One thing though, SkiDoo is bragging that the new Expedition 600 SDI has a clutch that grabs at a lower rpm than my 03 SUV. You hint on that the new 600 SDI may rev higher before her clutch bites the plate. Two questions: 1) what do you think of the REV-XU frame for the Expedition? Is it steel and will it stand up to HEAVY hauling over LONG distance? 2) what do think of the Expedition's front suspension? Will it perform as well as or better than the trailing arms on my 2003 SUV? Thank you again for the help with this. Later.
Thank you for the information. I live in Galena which is a ways from you. Yes, my 2003 SUV is hard on the body after awhile. I figure that a man cannot be too comfortable - to quote a wise man other than myself. I'm a 2 cycle kind of guy so it sounds like I need the 600 SDI. One thing though, SkiDoo is bragging that the new Expedition 600 SDI has a clutch that grabs at a lower rpm than my 03 SUV. You hint on that the new 600 SDI may rev higher before her clutch bites the plate. Two questions: 1) what do you think of the REV-XU frame for the Expedition? Is it steel and will it stand up to HEAVY hauling over LONG distance? 2) what do think of the Expedition's front suspension? Will it perform as well as or better than the trailing arms on my 2003 SUV? Thank you again for the help with this. Later.
LC yep your a ways away from Anchorage Lucky You.
I have not noticed the higher rev issue, I tend to shift gears when I am hauling heavy loads. So being in 1st when going slow it is hard to tell. I will pay more attention to it this season. To answer your question about the frame. It is aluminum and I have no worries about it holding up over long hauls, I think other things would break before the frame would under lots of stress. I guess you will have to define HEAVY hauling for me. Everyone has their own definition of this. A few times I was hauling about 800lbs in a sled and going up a short (100 yards) steep hill in first and I would have to almost lay on the cowling to keep it from wheeling over.
That being said you are in a much colder area of Alaska than I am. I would be interested to hear what others say about extreme cold steel vs aluminum comparison. Any metallurgical engineers out there?
Yeah with these new machines I think the front ends would explode if you hit something hard. I think that is the trade off for the cush ride. I am pretty carefull with my $12000 machine so I try to not hit things. There is no comparison between between the two machines as far as suspension. The XU feels like you are riding a motorcycle the ergos are that different.
I consider my XU a cross between a work and play machine. It may not be what you are looking for if you want a worker. They market it in Europe as a 20" track tourning machine. If you are needing a work machine It really is hard to beat the SWT. I haul a sled around with supplies and usually my wife on the machine. It works great for our application. When I am by myself I take the seat off the back and am always suprised by how nimble and fun the machine is. It is really fun to ride too.
Hope it helps
QUOTE (matt.ak @ Oct 3 2009, 04:11 AM)
LC yep your a ways away from Anchorage Lucky You.
I have not noticed the higher rev issue, I tend to shift gears when I am hauling heavy loads. So being in 1st when going slow it is hard to tell. I will pay more attention to it this season. To answer your question about the frame. It is aluminum and I have no worries about it holding up over long hauls, I think other things would break before the frame would under lots of stress. I guess you will have to define HEAVY hauling for me. Everyone has their own definition of this. A few times I was hauling about 800lbs in a sled and going up a short (100 yards) steep hill in first and I would have to almost lay on the cowling to keep it from wheeling over.
That being said you are in a much colder area of Alaska than I am. I would be interested to hear what others say about extreme cold steel vs aluminum comparison. Any metallurgical engineers out there?
Yeah with these new machines I think the front ends would explode if you hit something hard. I think that is the trade off for the cush ride. I am pretty carefull with my $12000 machine so I try to not hit things. There is no comparison between between the two machines as far as suspension. The XU feels like you are riding a motorcycle the ergos are that different.
I consider my XU a cross between a work and play machine. It may not be what you are looking for if you want a worker. They market it in Europe as a 20" track tourning machine. If you are needing a work machine It really is hard to beat the SWT. I haul a sled around with supplies and usually my wife on the machine. It works great for our application. When I am by myself I take the seat off the back and am always suprised by how nimble and fun the machine is. It is really fun to ride too.
Hope it helps
I have not noticed the higher rev issue, I tend to shift gears when I am hauling heavy loads. So being in 1st when going slow it is hard to tell. I will pay more attention to it this season. To answer your question about the frame. It is aluminum and I have no worries about it holding up over long hauls, I think other things would break before the frame would under lots of stress. I guess you will have to define HEAVY hauling for me. Everyone has their own definition of this. A few times I was hauling about 800lbs in a sled and going up a short (100 yards) steep hill in first and I would have to almost lay on the cowling to keep it from wheeling over.
That being said you are in a much colder area of Alaska than I am. I would be interested to hear what others say about extreme cold steel vs aluminum comparison. Any metallurgical engineers out there?
Yeah with these new machines I think the front ends would explode if you hit something hard. I think that is the trade off for the cush ride. I am pretty carefull with my $12000 machine so I try to not hit things. There is no comparison between between the two machines as far as suspension. The XU feels like you are riding a motorcycle the ergos are that different.
I consider my XU a cross between a work and play machine. It may not be what you are looking for if you want a worker. They market it in Europe as a 20" track tourning machine. If you are needing a work machine It really is hard to beat the SWT. I haul a sled around with supplies and usually my wife on the machine. It works great for our application. When I am by myself I take the seat off the back and am always suprised by how nimble and fun the machine is. It is really fun to ride too.
Hope it helps
Good points raised here which are crucial to your happiness with any workhorse choice.
It is my opinion that after one season, the aluminum chassis is indeed robust, once the secondary brace is installed. Is it as tough as the steel chassis of the Yeti and Yeti II chassis? No. Is it tough enough for most of the users out there? You bet. I am not concerned with the aluminum vs. steel cold temp properties; BRP has been designing and using aluminum and steel chassis side by side for generations, distributing to all corners of the Earth and if there was an issue, it would have surfaced by now. Steel fabrication is stiffer and tougher, no doubt, but with that toughness comes the compromise of weight, which is something that many WT owners have tried to shed for many years.
From my observations, unless you're hauling a load in excess of 500lbs on every excursion you take, the XU chassis is fine. I own a steel chassied SWT b/c I believe that I push my sled to its limit on a regular basis and that's the only version of a 24" track sled that you can buy (for now!). Would I ride an XU? Darn right, I will probably have one before Spring for my "Daily Driver" and it will also work for a living.
QUOTE (matt.ak @ Oct 3 2009, 12:11 AM)
LC yep your a ways away from Anchorage Lucky You.
I have not noticed the higher rev issue, I tend to shift gears when I am hauling heavy loads. So being in 1st when going slow it is hard to tell. I will pay more attention to it this season. To answer your question about the frame. It is aluminum and I have no worries about it holding up over long hauls, I think other things would break before the frame would under lots of stress. I guess you will have to define HEAVY hauling for me. Everyone has their own definition of this. A few times I was hauling about 800lbs in a sled and going up a short (100 yards) steep hill in first and I would have to almost lay on the cowling to keep it from wheeling over.
That being said you are in a much colder area of Alaska than I am. I would be interested to hear what others say about extreme cold steel vs aluminum comparison. Any metallurgical engineers out there?
Yeah with these new machines I think the front ends would explode if you hit something hard. I think that is the trade off for the cush ride. I am pretty carefull with my $12000 machine so I try to not hit things. There is no comparison between between the two machines as far as suspension. The XU feels like you are riding a motorcycle the ergos are that different.
I consider my XU a cross between a work and play machine. It may not be what you are looking for if you want a worker. They market it in Europe as a 20" track tourning machine. If you are needing a work machine It really is hard to beat the SWT. I haul a sled around with supplies and usually my wife on the machine. It works great for our application. When I am by myself I take the seat off the back and am always suprised by how nimble and fun the machine is. It is really fun to ride too.
Hope it helps
Matt thanks for the good info. Yes, I sometimes haul about 2,600 lbs. over 50-60 miles. My SUV laughs at the task, but I wonder how the Expedition 600 SDI with the XU frame would hold up. It's a very expensive experiment as you already know. And yes, we do travel in minus 30 sometimes but generally try not to unless it is necessary. Extreme cold sure is rough on both man and machine. Most folks out here have aluminum frames and only haul small amounts of firewood or a spruce trunk at a time. I'm kind of an oddity. Thanks again...
I have not noticed the higher rev issue, I tend to shift gears when I am hauling heavy loads. So being in 1st when going slow it is hard to tell. I will pay more attention to it this season. To answer your question about the frame. It is aluminum and I have no worries about it holding up over long hauls, I think other things would break before the frame would under lots of stress. I guess you will have to define HEAVY hauling for me. Everyone has their own definition of this. A few times I was hauling about 800lbs in a sled and going up a short (100 yards) steep hill in first and I would have to almost lay on the cowling to keep it from wheeling over.
That being said you are in a much colder area of Alaska than I am. I would be interested to hear what others say about extreme cold steel vs aluminum comparison. Any metallurgical engineers out there?
Yeah with these new machines I think the front ends would explode if you hit something hard. I think that is the trade off for the cush ride. I am pretty carefull with my $12000 machine so I try to not hit things. There is no comparison between between the two machines as far as suspension. The XU feels like you are riding a motorcycle the ergos are that different.
I consider my XU a cross between a work and play machine. It may not be what you are looking for if you want a worker. They market it in Europe as a 20" track tourning machine. If you are needing a work machine It really is hard to beat the SWT. I haul a sled around with supplies and usually my wife on the machine. It works great for our application. When I am by myself I take the seat off the back and am always suprised by how nimble and fun the machine is. It is really fun to ride too.
Hope it helps
Matt thanks for the good info. Yes, I sometimes haul about 2,600 lbs. over 50-60 miles. My SUV laughs at the task, but I wonder how the Expedition 600 SDI with the XU frame would hold up. It's a very expensive experiment as you already know. And yes, we do travel in minus 30 sometimes but generally try not to unless it is necessary. Extreme cold sure is rough on both man and machine. Most folks out here have aluminum frames and only haul small amounts of firewood or a spruce trunk at a time. I'm kind of an oddity. Thanks again...
QUOTE (LabradorBoy @ Oct 3 2009, 03:11 PM)
Good points raised here which are crucial to your happiness with any workhorse choice.
It is my opinion that after one season, the aluminum chassis is indeed robust, once the secondary brace is installed. Is it as tough as the steel chassis of the Yeti and Yeti II chassis? No. Is it tough enough for most of the users out there? You bet. I am not concerned with the aluminum vs. steel cold temp properties; BRP has been designing and using aluminum and steel chassis side by side for generations, distributing to all corners of the Earth and if there was an issue, it would have surfaced by now. Steel fabrication is stiffer and tougher, no doubt, but with that toughness comes the compromise of weight, which is something that many WT owners have tried to shed for many years.
From my observations, unless you're hauling a load in excess of 500lbs on every excursion you take, the XU chassis is fine. I own a steel chassied SWT b/c I believe that I push my sled to its limit on a regular basis and that's the only version of a 24" track sled that you can buy (for now!). Would I ride an XU? Darn right, I will probably have one before Spring for my "Daily Driver" and it will also work for a living.
It is my opinion that after one season, the aluminum chassis is indeed robust, once the secondary brace is installed. Is it as tough as the steel chassis of the Yeti and Yeti II chassis? No. Is it tough enough for most of the users out there? You bet. I am not concerned with the aluminum vs. steel cold temp properties; BRP has been designing and using aluminum and steel chassis side by side for generations, distributing to all corners of the Earth and if there was an issue, it would have surfaced by now. Steel fabrication is stiffer and tougher, no doubt, but with that toughness comes the compromise of weight, which is something that many WT owners have tried to shed for many years.
From my observations, unless you're hauling a load in excess of 500lbs on every excursion you take, the XU chassis is fine. I own a steel chassied SWT b/c I believe that I push my sled to its limit on a regular basis and that's the only version of a 24" track sled that you can buy (for now!). Would I ride an XU? Darn right, I will probably have one before Spring for my "Daily Driver" and it will also work for a living.
Hi Labrador
Thank you for all the great information on the various hauling sleds. You certainly have a head full of knowledge when it comes to these machines. Yes, I sometimes haul about 2,600 lbs. (1179 kg. I think?)over 50-60 miles. At a slow speed of course. My SUV laughs at the task, but I wonder how the Expedition 600 SDI with the XU frame would hold up. It's a very expensive experiment as you already know. And yes, we do travel in minus 30 sometimes but generally try not to unless it is necessary. Extreme cold sure is rough on both man and machine. Most folks out here have aluminum frames and only haul small amounts of firewood or a spruce trunk at a time. I'm kind of an oddity. As for the SWT - it's a great machine but I'm trying to stay away from the pogo sticks. Thanks again...
QUOTE (LCinAK @ Oct 6 2009, 05:28 PM)
Hi Labrador
Thank you for all the great information on the various hauling sleds. You certainly have a head full of knowledge when it comes to these machines. Yes, I sometimes haul about 2,600 lbs. (1179 kg. I think?)over 50-60 miles. At a slow speed of course. My SUV laughs at the task, but I wonder how the Expedition 600 SDI with the XU frame would hold up. It's a very expensive experiment as you already know. And yes, we do travel in minus 30 sometimes but generally try not to unless it is necessary. Extreme cold sure is rough on both man and machine. Most folks out here have aluminum frames and only haul small amounts of firewood or a spruce trunk at a time. I'm kind of an oddity. As for the SWT - it's a great machine but I'm trying to stay away from the pogo sticks. Thanks again...
Thank you for all the great information on the various hauling sleds. You certainly have a head full of knowledge when it comes to these machines. Yes, I sometimes haul about 2,600 lbs. (1179 kg. I think?)over 50-60 miles. At a slow speed of course. My SUV laughs at the task, but I wonder how the Expedition 600 SDI with the XU frame would hold up. It's a very expensive experiment as you already know. And yes, we do travel in minus 30 sometimes but generally try not to unless it is necessary. Extreme cold sure is rough on both man and machine. Most folks out here have aluminum frames and only haul small amounts of firewood or a spruce trunk at a time. I'm kind of an oddity. As for the SWT - it's a great machine but I'm trying to stay away from the pogo sticks. Thanks again...
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