This if everyone votes honestly will be telling us what is causing any engine trouble.
Other would be clutch, electrical, etc
I really think this engine is well built and would like to know what is the weak link?
We have had a few calls because BRP has no head gaskets etc.
We still have in stock a rod, piston and complete gasket kit.
I should have put in the votes How many different causes of failures.
No Honesty in here!
Moderater can delete this

I really think you need another option of:

Stock without going down.

Some of us haven't had the option of doing any of the above. Mine is in the process, but not enough seat time to give a fair vote.

first time my clutch blew apart breaking the arms and the cup
second time i just needed new buttons but the dealer had no buttons instock so i put mach z buttons in and been great ever since ~2300miles on sled

Love the sled would not change it for anything

Dave you forgot the MOST important options:

1. Poor turbo installation, (Installer broke fittings and pieces upon installation, i.e. broken electrical connections etc.).
2. Greed-running too much boost for octane level. (Could also fall under lack of knowledge or inexperience).
3. Inexperienced operator or tuner. (Never had a boosted machine before and no knowledge on what to do or expect, perhaps they have never turned a wrench before either).

Most of the Ski-Doo guys installing boost have had no experience with a turbo machine. Of course there is going be problems till they learn it's not idiot proof. Half of them think it shoud be warrantied for cripes sake.

Dave, I don't think I'd be trying to throw anyone under the bus. You don't have too many kits on the snow just yet.

Mike, grand slam! The skin came off that one...

This will be a controversial topic, no doubt. Leads right to profound questions on the honesty (or legitimacy and accuracy) of the diagnostics & real root cause of the failures themselves separated from just blame.

I hear bus tires humming but honestly don't think Dave's intention was to drive a bus, but more likely to gather some facts on what to safe guard against to improve his products.

FPP was the first to get a kit available so they also earned the burden of some unfortunate boosted newbie customer learning curves, as well, and all the subsequent bad press associated with that. It's hard for any company to account in their design for the ding-dong element... Dave will undoubtably have his share of these, as well.
Plus, it's not news that they had some unfortunate overboosting gremlins that were legit on a few of their initial kits.

I will give credit where itis do. FPP were the first to market ,so granted the first to find pitfalls on this new boosted four stroke. Dave you know as anyone R+D will continue for years on these as it does with the apexes and so many other boosted models. Sounds to me like your tooting pretty loud, lets see what a season brings your kits. Ripping up some tar on one machine wont buy all what your after. Kevin

Kevin Yes we are not the first to market and don't want to send out a turbo kit without good testing out in the mountains. Dave Dunn has been beating on his turbo and doing a lot of testing for his trail guys.
After getting all the calls from guys who have had trouble with this sled when boosted I always asked how can we help you to make it better.
How many guys are going to buy something that they really haven't check out then learn the hard way how expensive it is to make it right.
Guys are not saying anything so they can sell there junk in the cassifieds or at Haydays.

Dave,

Totally understand you want to ensure you have a good kit, I commend you for that, but I am cautious when saying that to the reading public making speculating statements that appear to underliningly imply that all the other companies stuff out there, that isn't a PowderLites, is junk and blows up, without anything to back that up, is really starting to sound like desperation on the part of PowderLites in an attempt to ensure some sales.

The guys that have been following your postings for months aren't stupid...

Someone could play by the same mentality and start a eye opening topic on "how much does everyones turbo kit really cost to complete after purchase, having it installed, and clutching, etc ?" so why don't you just let the quality of YOUR kit speak for itself.

Very true and it makes it sound as if you are having problems with your kit and trying to trouble shoot the problem with everyone Else's experience, not saying you are but it seems to infer that.

Yaa take that

Dave,

Totally understand you want to ensure you have a good kit, I commend you for that, but I am cautious when saying that to the reading public making speculating statements that appear to underliningly imply that all the other companies stuff out there, that isn't a PowderLites, is junk and blows up, without anything to back that up, is really starting to sound like desperation on the part of PowderLites in an attempt to ensure some sales.

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The guys that have been following your postings for months aren't stupid...

Glad I'm not the only one that feels like this.

Cliff Yeatman

Seems a few of you people are really out to get powderlites? Is it something personal or do you have nothing better to do with your time? Seems alot of keyboard experts are questioning a Sponsor of this site and a proven quality kit builder everytime he posts something! I personally have never seen a sponsor get so much crap without moderators doing something. People should reread the posts they make before they add it!

andy , where is this coming from , no ones out to get powderlites if anything hes out to get himself reread the posts yourself,as a matter of fact look at the heading of this post and u tell me coming from an industry leader and sponsor how professional it sounds , your last statement should read ive never seen a sponsor CAUSE so much crap and moderators not intervening, there was alot of us that pmed moderators and spoke very hard to get this 4 stroke forum as it will prove to be very educational,helpful to most, even SPONSORS , lets try and keep it that way,

FPP stage 1 at 6ibs of boost. Full Guages EGT / Boost / AF I have 2200 miles on a stock engine with no problems . I have a Polar billet Clutch . Sled works awesome I am always using the AF as the lifeline to the motor. I run only 11.5 on the guage and I have noticed some fuel is different as It will run 11.5 then I fuel up and all of a sudden see 11.8 / 12 at that point I just don`t hold it on long pulls. Added water wetter and always watch my engine temp. You need to be a tunner if you are going to run these engines on the edge . Adding a external rad and oil cooler this winter . I have to say Justin a FPP has been great for support must have talked to him 50 times on the phone and also had the sled to him . Sled runs strong for a trail sled .I do not hold this thing down the lake for 2 miles long I only hold it on the lake till it stops pulling and that is 138 on the speedo It may go faster but I built it for the trail so it is not geared for top end .

Andy, Cliff, Dave, Kevin and myself need to take a nice trail ride on some Mach Zs (hopefully the Machs will all make it to the end ) to a nice pub and have a few of our favorite drinks. I think we all love sledding and would have a great time. Please stop the battling within the topics. As a moderator, I hate to intervene on any topic.

On a side note. The reason for the shortage of head gastkets could be for many reasons. Some may even be due to vendor supplier issues. I do know there is a tremendous amount of R & D being done by many engine builders on this engine platform. There are many working on pipes (at least 6), cams, valve springs, valves, fuel controllers, ignition boxes, pistons, head flow, larger bores, sleeved cylinders, stroker cranks, etc. All of these shops are using a lot of head gaskets while running all of their tests and inspecting engines.