Hello there good ppl at Dootalk;

My name is Dave and I live in south central Saskatchawan Canada. (born and raised in Alberta)
Snow has been scarce here the past few years and as a result ppl have given up on there sleds.

It's not uncommon to see sleds just left to gather rust and moss or even to be left by the garbage pile.

My freind asked permission last year to take his neighbors from his garbage last year and he restored it ( I will post a link to it later)

So ever since then I have been keeping my eyes and ears open.

Well I was doing a job at a farmers place last week and what do you think I saw in his junk pile....

Well I asked what he wanted for it and he said just take it.

I added a little gas to the tank, it looked like all the gas evaporated over the few years this thing sat
because it looked and felt like pure oil in the bottom of the tank.

I got her started and actually rode it up and down my property about 20 times back and forth.

she wants to keep stalling and I'm going through the trouble shooting process .

The little primer pump was leaking like a seive and I suspected , due to that, that I was sucking air through the fuel line. So I by passed the primer for now.
I still see lots of air bubbles in the fuel line and I imagine I need to run all the old gas/oil through .

checked the spark and it is very weak in my opinion. gapped the plugs to .018 (specs say .020).
but I get only an orange colored spark(it should be blueish white Right?).

I'll just end by saying that when I did get a good run this thing took off like a bat out of HELL!!

so this is my summer project and I'll post my progress here as I go . I've attached one pic and I'll post more as I go.

by the way my son named the sled "Jackson"
funny story behind that which I'll save for later.

Happy skidooing
Dave

here's a couple more pics for now,
She's not in too bad of shape, hoods busted but I'm thinking I can fiberglass that...
windshield looks brand new, need a throttle cable this ones frayed almost right through,
and the muffler isn't in totaly terrible shape but could use replacing.

And it runs!!!

By the way I was so gratefull to that farmer that I went back the nect day and gave him a bottle of white rum

that elan is kinda rare she got a 294 and a tuned pipe looks to be pretty good shape for something you got for free

Thanks adam911

I was happy as hell to get it before I even realized what it was exactly(I just saw the name 'Bombardiare'(sp?) and grabed it as fast as I could.

I was just trying to start her and I can't get any fuel into the line, I think theres an air leak
somewhere but it's strange, I can't prime it or get any fuel with the primer pump but I can suck it through the hose with my mouthand fill the filter and the line but it just all runs out before I can get a pull on er.

...... I'll be going through the whole thing anyway but I like to have it run.

What do you think of that and that spark issue adam911?
That pic of the specs isnt too clear but it says 248 beside engine type

Dave

I wouldn't sweat the spark right now , cleaning the carb and replacing the fuel lines may be all that is required to make it run reliably . Nice find , welcome to the forum !

Thanks for the welcome tommc56

so you think there's some sort of leak in the fuel system......?

she (Jackson) will run good once I have fuel in the lines as long as I don't let it die.
How hard will it be to get a carb or rebuild kit?
can I just put regular carb cleaner through it?
there's a pic of the coils, so you don't think the spark being of an orange color is a big issue?
thanks for the in put.
Dave

i would swap out the tilliston carb for a mikuni. tilliston carbs are s$%#.

You can get a rebuild kit for your Tilly from Crappy Tire..

Depending on how long it sat, I would certainly replace the fuel lines with good stuff, You could very well have a small hole in any of the hoses, or it could be drawing air from the primer line. I had one that wouldn't idle, and it was the fitting on the carb where the primer dropped in.

From the back, it looks like your sled is a 74, as the 73 had a plastic trunk where your tail light is, and the cover that hides the engine looks like it's a 74 as well.

If there are any air bubbles in the fuel line you have an air leak replace them back to the tank with new lines.
Carb kits are easy to get and it is not that hard to rebuild the carb. couple of good web sites on the subject and we all have done it so you can get plenty of help Tillys aren't bad carbs once you know what makes them tick.
You may have a bad or clogged fuel line check valve in the tank if you cant keep gas in the line up to the carb.
The primer is likely dry or worn out so it can't suck fuel you don't really need it if you have a choke I would get rid of it just more leaks in the lines.
The spark should be fat a blue but it is not like the spark on a CDI ignition system if you are looking at it in the sunlight it may look weak to you but if the sled starts and runs I wouldn,t worry about it.

Thanks guys!

I'll start working on locating some fuel line ,did I mention I live in the middle of nowhere on the bald "edit for bad language" prarie...

theres a small city one hour away with a crappy tire.

The tag on the body says 1973 , but a lot of parts could have been replaced since then, also the track carriage doesnt look original.

I feel a lot better after all the input so I'll start at the fuel system, and yes there are millions of bubbles in the lines.

Thanks
Dave

DAVE HERE'S WHAT YA GOT

1. A 1974 SEAT
2. 1973 HOOD
3. A 250T MOTOR TYPE 248
4. WHAT IS THE NUMBER ON THE CHASSIE BY THE RECOIL? IT SHOULD START WITH 3007 IF SO 74 250T
5. REPLACE ALL YOUR FUEL LINES AND GET A WINDEROSA REBULD KIT.
6. GO TO THIS WEB SITE FOR MORE INFO ON ELANS http://users.boardnation.com/~oldski-doosleds/index.php
7. IF YA NEED MORE HELP EMAIL ME. I HAVE ABOUT 5 1973/1974 ELANS

Right on !!! bro!!!
thanks a lot 70TNT

I'm getting on that asap.

I'm sure who ever had this previously cracked her up a few times judging by the condition of the hood.
I'm thinking I can patch that all up with fiberglass ,body filler primer and paint. My son wants me to paint "Jackson" on the hood , in black handwritting.

Can't wait to ride this baby. got lucky with 2" of snow the other day just as we thought it was gone, perfect for test driving the 'new' machine.


thanks
Dave

lots of places to order parts!

check the bogies and make sure they are all turning, take a really good look at the rear drive cogs, i blew one last winter and had to remove the rear axel and leave the machine in the bush over night, i was lucky that the rubber was still good, just the rivets blew apart.

The orange spark, could just be a bad connection someplace, clean everything!!!! and use dielectric grease when you put everything back together, just do a little at a time

you got a great find there! and welcome to the forum lots of great people here! Keep the pics coming we love them!

Hi all, Been busy this summer, not working now so I've had a chance to do a bit on the Elan.

Got all new gas line, 2 brand new spark plugs, some fiberglass and resin and a windrosa rebuild kit for the tilliston HR carb. Got the rebuild kit from www.mfgsupply.com .

I'll try and get some pics today, if I can remember how.

The hood is somewhat repaired but I need to get more fiberglass and the local place where I got it from is all out of stock right now.

With the new spark plugs I have a Blueish white, lightening spark on both plugs, so that issue is crossed of the list.


I could get it to run before rebuilding the carb, but gas spits back out the front of the carb and it bogs down.

I poked around the site a bit and that read that was due to the internal inlet needle valve is sticking .

I rebuild the carb and now its spitting out gas worse than before.

I THINK the new spring I put in under the lever is too strong??
I have some instruction ,which I can barley read but it says to bend the tang on the needle side.

Does any one know what I'm talking about, am I on the right track.

I'm not real knowlagable on this sort of thing .

I'll reply with some pics later.

Thanks
Dave

IT RUNS!!

I took the carb apart again and bent the lever tabs until it was flush with the top . It was too high before.

So it runs real good , no gas shoots back and it will even stay idling....

The carb looks a lot better after being cleaned up....

And here's the hood, a work in progress still,

there's more damage that was previously repaired with sheet metal and rivets, I think I'll drill the rivets out and do more fiberglass work before I get it prepped for paint.
So I'll post more pics after.

thats a pretty nice twin you have there!!!! Bonus that you have the air box too!!!!

Thanks,
Ya the other section of the air box is still on the work bench .

Took the windshield off (like I should have in the first place) and did a little more grinding to smooth down the fiberglass.
I might just do a quick paint job for this winter and see how everything goes when the snow gets here before I put too much into it.

Any way, ya it's all there so pray for snow!

Dave

Nice find Dave. Welcome to Sask and welcome to dootalk.. It will make both a good sled and a fairly easy resto as well.

Jackson is a rare bird. The twin-cylinder Elans are a whole different animal, most especially the slide-suspension ones. Real giant killers! The 250cc and 294cc twins are relatively powerful and run like Swiss watches. You made out like a bandit! Keep us in the loop as Jackson's rebuild progresses. I'd like to have an Elan just like her!!

Cool bro, thanks..

I bought some body filler today to smooth out that hood, hope the temp stays warm enough until I get er done.

Also .... (Dave slaps his own head) I bought more fuel line. For inside the tank ,I finnally opened it up and the pick up lines were in BAAAAD shape, surprized it was sucking gas at all. I guess I should have started at the tank.... I'll get more pics later...

Dave

Glad to see you are having fun! I just got the elan bug after many years. This is what I found in just a week. Hope to get some work done on them soon. Probably go broke keeping my garage heated!

front view,

OMG!

where'd you get all those....? nice!


Got the bug, you bet!

I'm going to keep my eyes open for more so we can all have one, ( me, wife and two boys).

Got that hood sanded down in the fiberglassed area, actually about 90% done, but I want to wait for my sons to get home from school before I do any more so they can help and learn how its done., Took the wind screen off, like I should have in the first place.

Later
Dave

I got lucky, found one in the junkyard with no engine. Make some calls to find a single cylinder. ended up with three more mostly complete machines. Two singles and a twin w/slide suspension. One engine turns free, must clean carb and check for spark. Flush tank and run new lines, she should run. My kids haven't named any as of yet.

HI all,

Got all the body filler and sanding done and one coat of paint.

She's now Blue.


still have the heater on and we'll giver another coat later...

Dave

Hmmm, little blue skidoo? I still prefer yellow and black!

Moxy

So did you just randomly find the sled laying in a random farmers feild

Moxy,

My son picked that color, we'll repaint it next time we fix it, lol .

mock13, I was working on a farmers house doing siding and he gave it to me, my buddy got his from his nieghbors garbage, I'll try and get a pic of his right now.

Dave

Hi all...

I can't seem to find my friend's sled on line where I thought he posted it....

Anyway, we bolted on the hood, I made rubber gaskets to go against the hood and under the flat washers. Put the old lamp back in as I couldn't find one my size. I'll get some pics tomorrow.

Mixed some gas , I put 200ml of oil with 10 litres of gas. Sucked it all up through the lines with the new primer pump I bought, pulled the cord.

And it won't start!, I think I flooded it, I had it running before I changed the pick up lines.

Do these Tilly carbs flood easy? are they kind of finicky? or is it something I did when I rebuilt it?

I'll pull it after it sits for a bit and see if she fires...


I'll get some pics tomorrow..
Dave

P.S. STILL NO SNOW!!!!

floods really easy! it will take time to get used to starting it!!

moxy

here's a quick shot of the sled....

Didn't spend any time out there today, just pulled the cord twice and got nothin, I had it start on the first pull a couple of times before I changed those pick - up lines.

Should I try it with the choke closed and not prime any gas into it?

Moxy?? whaddya think?

Dave

Take the spark plugs out with the ignition turned OFF and use an air blower in each cylinder pulling the engine over slow to see if it is flooded
Also if you suspect no fuel put a little in the carb and try again

always choke before prime!!

moxy

Your spark plug will tell you what's going on , if it's wet you need to dry the cylinder and plug , try again holding the throttle wide open to admit more air

Thanks guys,

the plugs were wet last time this happened I took them out and they were wet.

maybe I need to lean-up the mixture a bit too eh....

I'll remember all this next time I tryit.

Dave

it might just need to have the crap run out of it!!! don't change to much before the first snow when you can get your tuning adjustments just right to start the season

moxy

Went out to the garage this morning, left the choke open, didn't touch the primer, held the throttle wide open with my left hand and pulled the cord once.
It started first and only pull!

But I never got the engine to rev high enough to turn the track. Maybe it just needs to warm up a bit before I rev it....

any way I fiddled with the mixture needle and it eventually died after I riched it upp a bit too much.

I didn't try it again cause I had to get going, I'll try again later before I fiddle with anything else...


ASLO STILL NO SNOW!!!


Dave

Congrats!!!! keep us posted!

She starts first pull now every time , just hold the throttle wide open and pull, don't choke or prime.


and she's smoking less I think I got the new gas into the lines now.



NEED SNOW NOW!!!!!


nothing in the forecast for the next two weeks!

Dave

Good news...

We got a skiff of snow, so we started up Jackson and took a few rides up and down my front yard, she's kinda gutless, I think I need to open up that carb and adjust the tension on the internal needle valve.

She's spittin out lots of gas too, I'll have to think on this, any Ideas?

My son took a video and when he puts it on utube I'll post the link...

Dave

check for obstruction in the muffler

moxy

I fiddled with the carb, changed the o-ring for the mixture valve , and she's 100% better already.
I checked the exhaust and she doesn't appear to be restricked at all...

I was about to open up the carb and check inside but looked around to see where the gas was coming from and it was all on that side. I'll run it and see if there's any more gas acummulating .



no snow, but I rode er on my grass and I rode 100% better too.

In the mean time a lady told me she has an old sled from the 80's, she's not sure.... I'll go look at it when my son gets home, it's on a farm 1/2 hr from here. I'll get a pic and post later.

My son got that video on u tube but the sled was running crappy so I'll get him to do another vid and then I'll post both for comparrison.

Thanks to tundrabuggy for some advice :-)

Dave

I placed an ad in the local paper asking for old ski-doos and I got one call already, funny, the paper doesn't come out till friday though... anyway I Went and looked at that ski-doo yesterday.

It's an everest 340. it was an older lady and she yaked non stop and I never did get the yr. or could barely get a word in....so I couldn't get all the info I might have wanted, She did mention that it was mid 80's.
It was in the barn and covered in bird poop. but it looked ok...

It's all there, no cracks in the hood but the windshield is busted, (minor) track's in good shape , it all looks in good shape.

I gave er a couple of pulls but the fuel lines were dry in fact I think it had no gas at all.

there's a battery but it's busted, froze I suspect.

also the throttle lever has been switched to the left side because her husband got his right arm caught in a combine.

she told me she might want about 300 bucks then she said she better ask her husband if she can sell it!
I drove an hour and a half there and back.!
so I'll call her back this weekend .

I think $300 is good for that.

Dave

It Snowed!

Just a skiff though but it was enough to zip down the back alley and down to a small field.

My son got some video footage which is posted on u tube.

I need more snow!

Also I got a call from a guy in Moosejaw , he has a 74 TNT 440. with a 340 engine.

Can't use it due to a knee op. so he said Needs about 200 bucks.
I took his number and will call next time I go up to the city. Sounds like it's in decent shape but needs the carb , cleaned?, rebuilt? I'll look at it when I get a chance..

here's a link to the video my son took.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x906s1rN9ok

hope it works

Dave

Great thread Dave, can't wait to hear more...

Thanks Brunettes,

The Everest is as good as a done deal, the lady is going to bring it right to my house in her truck on Wednesday.

$400.00 delivered.

She even hosed the bird poop off.

And I think I'll grab that TNT when I can figure a way to go pick it up....


Now we just need more snow!

BTW The rough riders lost the grey cup. :-(

Dave

Dave are u sure that is not a 78 because it looks to have slide suspension
im not sure if it uses the rear idler wheels or rear drive just by watching the video