Hi guys,
I come from the car racing world and have years of turbo related experiance...building custom turbo cars ect..
so I was thinking of getting a MXZ with a 1200 then slap a turbo kit on it...
so I find a Mc Express turbo kit....and find a canadian dealer..look up the price.....HOLY "edit for bad language"....
$7,299.00...!!!!! ?+ tax
how the hell is it possible that a 3cyl turbo kit is $7299 cdn?
lets break it down..
small frame turbo capable of 240hp with integrated wastegate= lets get silly and say $1200(i would get a aerodyne if it was me for extra money)
3 log custom manifold stainless tig welded= $600 max
oil hoses and bungs and hose clamps and silicon adapters =$300
extra injector controller/fuel controller/boost control= $1100 or less
stainless charge pipes= $300
turbo air filter= $30
small intercooler=$300..could even use a OEM car wrecker one for way less
dump exhaust..or if too loud small can muffler= $150
I would have to assume the OEM fuel pump is up to task..or we would have to add a high flow pump for another $200 max
so thats about $4100cdn on the high side of what I would calculate...and if we got used parts that are rebuilt to new spec we could drop another 1k off this
is anyone actually paying 7k+ for a turbo kit for snowmobiles? it seems nuts to me..or is there any other lower cost kits?
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Add on the $1600 primary needed for any of the turbo 1200's and it gets really scary.
I would assume the custom fuel injection system on the MC Express set up is where the big money comes in.
To do it right I doubt it's possible to put it together for less than $6K, maybe you could do it for a bit less if you really know what you're doing. I'd rather leave it up to a reputable shop that has done adequate R&D.
I would assume the custom fuel injection system on the MC Express set up is where the big money comes in.
To do it right I doubt it's possible to put it together for less than $6K, maybe you could do it for a bit less if you really know what you're doing. I'd rather leave it up to a reputable shop that has done adequate R&D.
That is the one thing most people do not want to add into the equation is R&D They also say if you can build a better and cheaper mouse trap then build it and count your profits.
Sled Head Racing has one putting out 205 HP,135 lb. ft. torque with 6.5 lbs. of boost on 87 octane. Stage one kit is $3495. Also has a stage two kit. He is a Dootalk sponser.
CVCOBRA1 THIS IS THE XR FORUM!!
that kit may have a new intake
big 400hp inter cooler
a/f Gage
extra fuel injection system
that kit may have a new intake
big 400hp inter cooler
a/f Gage
extra fuel injection system
ADAMH
Biedas Power sports has a GSX McXpress Turbo done for you allready $16,200.00
its on auto trader.com 
Biedas Power sports has a GSX McXpress Turbo done for you allready $16,200.00
its on auto trader.com
QUOTE (ADAMH @ Apr 9 2009, 10:53 AM) 
Hi guys,
I come from the car racing world and have years of turbo related experiance...building custom turbo cars ect..
so I was thinking of getting a MXZ with a 1200 then slap a turbo kit on it...
so I find a Mc Express turbo kit....and find a canadian dealer..look up the price.....HOLY "edit for bad language"....
$7,299.00...!!!!! ?+ tax
how the hell is it possible that a 3cyl turbo kit is $7299 cdn?
lets break it down..
small frame turbo capable of 240hp with integrated wastegate= lets get silly and say $1200(i would get a aerodyne if it was me for extra money)
3 log custom manifold stainless tig welded= $600 max
oil hoses and bungs and hose clamps and silicon adapters =$300
extra injector controller/fuel controller/boost control= $1100 or less
stainless charge pipes= $300
turbo air filter= $30
small intercooler=$300..could even use a OEM car wrecker one for way less
dump exhaust..or if too loud small can muffler= $150
I would have to assume the OEM fuel pump is up to task..or we would have to add a high flow pump for another $200 max
so thats about $4100cdn on the high side of what I would calculate...and if we got used parts that are rebuilt to new spec we could drop another 1k off this
is anyone actually paying 7k+ for a turbo kit for snowmobiles? it seems nuts to me..or is there any other lower cost kits?
I come from the car racing world and have years of turbo related experiance...building custom turbo cars ect..
so I was thinking of getting a MXZ with a 1200 then slap a turbo kit on it...
so I find a Mc Express turbo kit....and find a canadian dealer..look up the price.....HOLY "edit for bad language"....
$7,299.00...!!!!! ?+ tax
how the hell is it possible that a 3cyl turbo kit is $7299 cdn?
lets break it down..
small frame turbo capable of 240hp with integrated wastegate= lets get silly and say $1200(i would get a aerodyne if it was me for extra money)
3 log custom manifold stainless tig welded= $600 max
oil hoses and bungs and hose clamps and silicon adapters =$300
extra injector controller/fuel controller/boost control= $1100 or less
stainless charge pipes= $300
turbo air filter= $30
small intercooler=$300..could even use a OEM car wrecker one for way less
dump exhaust..or if too loud small can muffler= $150
I would have to assume the OEM fuel pump is up to task..or we would have to add a high flow pump for another $200 max
so thats about $4100cdn on the high side of what I would calculate...and if we got used parts that are rebuilt to new spec we could drop another 1k off this
is anyone actually paying 7k+ for a turbo kit for snowmobiles? it seems nuts to me..or is there any other lower cost kits?
Your really chopping down the kit to the absolute bare esentials, the MCXpress kit comes with an aluminum intake manifold, stainless header, fully tuned fuel/ignition and boost controller, full intercooler system including blow off valve, so no matter the boost level your fuel and timing maps are correct with in the range of the kit Stage.
Stainless tubular headers cost megabucks to produce, Yes you can make one for the cost of materials only but they need to eat also, LOL.
They probably have several weeks of testing different header tube sizes and lengths to optomize the system.
Same goes for the intake manifold.
They also spent weeks on the dyno writing fuel and timing maps at all boost levels, tested different turbos, spent weeks out in the field testing testing testing, they should be paid for they're time and efforts.
They probably will have to sell over 100 kits before they break even on the investment of R&D.
Take the raw parts list, Plus mark up, Plus a fee for R&D and it is a pretty good deal,
Then the Dealer who sells it has to advertise it $$$ stock it, $$$ service it, $$$ answer thousands of questions about it, $$$ so he needs to be compensated also.
Then the Canadian Dollar is Soft right now.
It is easy to copy someones kit, which MCXpress have been victims of copy cats before, AKA RX1, they were the inovators.
I too own a speed shop in CT. I am responsible for bringing a lot of car technology to the Turbo snowmobile world.
I Used my 30 years race car building experience to build the worlds fastest UNOPENED Stock Engine/Stock Chassis RX1
I will be building many performance parts as well as a turbo kit for the 1200, but I will not copy anyones kit it will be my own design, and will do all my own R&D and testing, I already have a Great header and still looking to improve on it, I will push until there is nothing left to find.
So I can apprciate what MCXpress has done to set the price of they're kit, If I wasn't making one I would buy one no questions asked install it and go ride it, My time has value as does they'res.
Ted.
QUOTE (JANNETTYRACING @ Apr 10 2009, 04:30 PM)
Your really chopping down the kit to the absolute bare esentials, the MCXpress kit comes with an aluminum intake manifold, stainless header, fully tuned fuel/ignition and boost controller, full intercooler system including blow off valve, so no matter the boost level your fuel and timing maps are correct with in the range of the kit Stage.
Stainless tubular headers cost megabucks to produce, Yes you can make one for the cost of materials only but they need to eat also, LOL.
They probably have several weeks of testing different header tube sizes and lengths to optomize the system.
Same goes for the intake manifold.
They also spent weeks on the dyno writing fuel and timing maps at all boost levels, tested different turbos, spent weeks out in the field testing testing testing, they should be paid for they're time and efforts.
They probably will have to sell over 100 kits before they break even on the investment of R&D.
Take the raw parts list, Plus mark up, Plus a fee for R&D and it is a pretty good deal,
Then the Dealer who sells it has to advertise it $$$ stock it, $$$ service it, $$$ answer thousands of questions about it, $$$ so he needs to be compensated also.
Then the Canadian Dollar is Soft right now.
It is easy to copy someones kit, which MCXpress have been victims of copy cats before, AKA RX1, they were the inovators.
I too own a speed shop in CT. I am responsible for bringing a lot of car technology to the Turbo snowmobile world.
I Used my 30 years race car building experience to build the worlds fastest UNOPENED Stock Engine/Stock Chassis RX1
I will be building many performance parts as well as a turbo kit for the 1200, but I will not copy anyones kit it will be my own design, and will do all my own R&D and testing, I already have a Great header and still looking to improve on it, I will push until there is nothing left to find.
So I can apprciate what MCXpress has done to set the price of they're kit, If I wasn't making one I would buy one no questions asked install it and go ride it, My time has value as does they'res.
Ted.
Stainless tubular headers cost megabucks to produce, Yes you can make one for the cost of materials only but they need to eat also, LOL.
They probably have several weeks of testing different header tube sizes and lengths to optomize the system.
Same goes for the intake manifold.
They also spent weeks on the dyno writing fuel and timing maps at all boost levels, tested different turbos, spent weeks out in the field testing testing testing, they should be paid for they're time and efforts.
They probably will have to sell over 100 kits before they break even on the investment of R&D.
Take the raw parts list, Plus mark up, Plus a fee for R&D and it is a pretty good deal,
Then the Dealer who sells it has to advertise it $$$ stock it, $$$ service it, $$$ answer thousands of questions about it, $$$ so he needs to be compensated also.
Then the Canadian Dollar is Soft right now.
It is easy to copy someones kit, which MCXpress have been victims of copy cats before, AKA RX1, they were the inovators.
I too own a speed shop in CT. I am responsible for bringing a lot of car technology to the Turbo snowmobile world.
I Used my 30 years race car building experience to build the worlds fastest UNOPENED Stock Engine/Stock Chassis RX1
I will be building many performance parts as well as a turbo kit for the 1200, but I will not copy anyones kit it will be my own design, and will do all my own R&D and testing, I already have a Great header and still looking to improve on it, I will push until there is nothing left to find.
So I can apprciate what MCXpress has done to set the price of they're kit, If I wasn't making one I would buy one no questions asked install it and go ride it, My time has value as does they'res.
Ted.
Well said.
QUOTE (Driggs @ Apr 10 2009, 04:07 PM)
Well said.
X2
There is a difference in making money on a kit and RAPING the customer.
IT seems Everyone wants to RETIRE off 1 turbo kit. I've found similar costs in producing a 1200 kits as to what is listed above.
The people making the turbo kits have to understand .. the investment of time IS ON THEM !
Thats what part of the profit is for... to make money on the time spent initially.
IF it takes you 50 hours to get a working Tune or 100 hours to perfect a header design ...
you dont need to be in the business. Modern day tools get you close , then its just tweaking to get things finalized. If the initial design of the kit is sound then it will leave little to be improved upon later. With CAD you can produce a working header design in no time. The most difficult part is still
The tig welding and fabrication. You can only TIG so fast !
It doesnt take long to get " in the ball park" with a tune . We can tune 1000 rwhp Small block Fords
in 2-3 hours using E85 and EXTREMELY large injectors... so to get 300 hp out of a 1200
doesnt take 20 times as long.. same process .
As far as kit prices .. I can tell you this .. You get what you pay for and junk is junk at any price.
ADAMH if you are familiar with turbo's on cars... and fabrication work ... MAKE it YOURSELF
The quality will be there and you can chose the parts you put on it ... not to mention you can save yourself some coin ..... NO WAY should these kits be over $4K US
IT seems Everyone wants to RETIRE off 1 turbo kit. I've found similar costs in producing a 1200 kits as to what is listed above.
The people making the turbo kits have to understand .. the investment of time IS ON THEM !
Thats what part of the profit is for... to make money on the time spent initially.
IF it takes you 50 hours to get a working Tune or 100 hours to perfect a header design ...
you dont need to be in the business. Modern day tools get you close , then its just tweaking to get things finalized. If the initial design of the kit is sound then it will leave little to be improved upon later. With CAD you can produce a working header design in no time. The most difficult part is still
The tig welding and fabrication. You can only TIG so fast !
It doesnt take long to get " in the ball park" with a tune . We can tune 1000 rwhp Small block Fords
in 2-3 hours using E85 and EXTREMELY large injectors... so to get 300 hp out of a 1200
doesnt take 20 times as long.. same process .
As far as kit prices .. I can tell you this .. You get what you pay for and junk is junk at any price.
ADAMH if you are familiar with turbo's on cars... and fabrication work ... MAKE it YOURSELF
The quality will be there and you can chose the parts you put on it ... not to mention you can save yourself some coin ..... NO WAY should these kits be over $4K US
QUOTE (turbo89 @ Apr 11 2009, 10:53 AM)
There is a difference in making money on a kit and RAPING the customer.
..... NO WAY should these kits be over $4K US
..... NO WAY should these kits be over $4K US
Just a friendly jab...
Your kit will be $3995 then???-BJ
So what are the stats on this kit?
Fuel recommendations and Power output.
When is it available?
Where Doo we send the $$$$$$
and How Much $$$$$$$
Fuel recommendations and Power output.
When is it available?
Where Doo we send the $$$$$$
and How Much $$$$$$$
I just might make a personal system ...
would use a low cost t25 from a nissan car with internal wastegate..have one at the shop..worth $150
would use an extra injector control system EIC from sds..I have one kicking around..has 2x500cc injectors..both boost and rpm sensitive...thats enough to overspray the small engine past 10psi
would use a RX7 turbo 2 intercooler or old SR20det intercooler ....used $50
would build a log style manifold..very simple... 4hrs time to fab up to t25 plate out of stainless
use an offshore knockoff BOV $100
then just start slow and build up boost...check AF ratios..and set it rich to be safe...I am sure I could easily get 10psi intercooled on a sled with no reliability issue...other than not being power optimized which is not a big deal
would use a low cost t25 from a nissan car with internal wastegate..have one at the shop..worth $150
would use an extra injector control system EIC from sds..I have one kicking around..has 2x500cc injectors..both boost and rpm sensitive...thats enough to overspray the small engine past 10psi
would use a RX7 turbo 2 intercooler or old SR20det intercooler ....used $50
would build a log style manifold..very simple... 4hrs time to fab up to t25 plate out of stainless
use an offshore knockoff BOV $100
then just start slow and build up boost...check AF ratios..and set it rich to be safe...I am sure I could easily get 10psi intercooled on a sled with no reliability issue...other than not being power optimized which is not a big deal
"They probably have several weeks of testing different header tube sizes and lengths to optomize the system.
Same goes for the intake manifold"
I guess my point is....I am not interested in the fastest "insert brand" sled..for mega bucks....but rather would like a turbo system for a reasonable $2000-3000 dollars...
its a boosted system in a cold environment on a tiny engine..you can stop wasting time building complex turbo manifolds and intake manifolds to eek out that last 1-5hp..just turn up the boost and run it rich and with proper timing..so you end up with 200hp vs 220hp
I guess thats my point..I just felt that over $7k for a turbo system on a machine that only costs 12k is a bit nuts? no?
Same goes for the intake manifold"
I guess my point is....I am not interested in the fastest "insert brand" sled..for mega bucks....but rather would like a turbo system for a reasonable $2000-3000 dollars...
its a boosted system in a cold environment on a tiny engine..you can stop wasting time building complex turbo manifolds and intake manifolds to eek out that last 1-5hp..just turn up the boost and run it rich and with proper timing..so you end up with 200hp vs 220hp
I guess thats my point..I just felt that over $7k for a turbo system on a machine that only costs 12k is a bit nuts? no?
ADAMH .. the point of making something using a individual runner header as well as a different intake
and spending some time is that I dont want to have to offer STAGE I, STAGE II, STAGE III kits.
its a 1 size fits all type setup from 200-300 hp its all covered .. over that you have alot of other issues to address so thats a Custom deal. The intake wont handle over 12-14 psi with reliability hence
new design.
The problem with turbo applications is how easy it is to get more power ... and most of us get greedy and want more and more POWER..
You can do everything on the higher end and STILL not spend over $4K .. if you lower the bar to use a log header ( BAD BAD IDEA unless its a staggered one ) .. a T25 and such .. you will have the similar issues that "OTHER" current kit producers are having .... Plus you will have no FUTURE EXPANSION.
Like I mentioned before ... If you have fabrication skills from working on turbo cars which it looks like you do .. BUILD IT YOURSELF. Dont skimp on the material used in the header ... 321 on a turbo setup is a must. There isnt much of a difference between 304 and 321 cost wise in the material anyway . The real issue is workign with 321 as its VERY tough.
If you use 304 you will have the same cracking issues that you see on all the YAMAHA manifolds being sold that are 304 .. also pay attention to the header flange you use.
You dont have to get EXOTIC with a merge collector on this application , it adds very little if anything.
I would also suggest going with something LARGER then a T25 .. other then that what you listed above will suffice.
Chose your own components and In the long run your AHEAD in more ways then 1.
and spending some time is that I dont want to have to offer STAGE I, STAGE II, STAGE III kits.
its a 1 size fits all type setup from 200-300 hp its all covered .. over that you have alot of other issues to address so thats a Custom deal. The intake wont handle over 12-14 psi with reliability hence
new design.
The problem with turbo applications is how easy it is to get more power ... and most of us get greedy and want more and more POWER..
You can do everything on the higher end and STILL not spend over $4K .. if you lower the bar to use a log header ( BAD BAD IDEA unless its a staggered one ) .. a T25 and such .. you will have the similar issues that "OTHER" current kit producers are having .... Plus you will have no FUTURE EXPANSION.
Like I mentioned before ... If you have fabrication skills from working on turbo cars which it looks like you do .. BUILD IT YOURSELF. Dont skimp on the material used in the header ... 321 on a turbo setup is a must. There isnt much of a difference between 304 and 321 cost wise in the material anyway . The real issue is workign with 321 as its VERY tough.
If you use 304 you will have the same cracking issues that you see on all the YAMAHA manifolds being sold that are 304 .. also pay attention to the header flange you use.
You dont have to get EXOTIC with a merge collector on this application , it adds very little if anything.
I would also suggest going with something LARGER then a T25 .. other then that what you listed above will suffice.
Chose your own components and In the long run your AHEAD in more ways then 1.
I have been told several times by those on the outside that sledders are a bit on the nutty side.
QUOTE (ADAMH @ Apr 13 2009, 09:51 AM)
I just might make a personal system ...
would use a low cost t25 from a nissan car with internal wastegate..have one at the shop..worth $150
would use an extra injector control system EIC from sds..I have one kicking around..has 2x500cc injectors..both boost and rpm sensitive...thats enough to overspray the small engine past 10psi
would use a RX7 turbo 2 intercooler or old SR20det intercooler ....used $50
would build a log style manifold..very simple... 4hrs time to fab up to t25 plate out of stainless
use an offshore knockoff BOV $100
then just start slow and build up boost...check AF ratios..and set it rich to be safe...I am sure I could easily get 10psi intercooled on a sled with no reliability issue...other than not being power optimized which is not a big deal
would use a low cost t25 from a nissan car with internal wastegate..have one at the shop..worth $150
would use an extra injector control system EIC from sds..I have one kicking around..has 2x500cc injectors..both boost and rpm sensitive...thats enough to overspray the small engine past 10psi
would use a RX7 turbo 2 intercooler or old SR20det intercooler ....used $50
would build a log style manifold..very simple... 4hrs time to fab up to t25 plate out of stainless
use an offshore knockoff BOV $100
then just start slow and build up boost...check AF ratios..and set it rich to be safe...I am sure I could easily get 10psi intercooled on a sled with no reliability issue...other than not being power optimized which is not a big deal
Sounds like your a knowledgable guy..GO for it...BUT IMHO...dont waste your time on a diff. log header, ya already have one that can/has made 350+ hp and the stock intake also made 427 hp @22 psi boost so dont worry about it peeling like a banana @ 10-15 psi...building an actual "trick 3 into 1 header" is for upper end stuff...just a use a sport bike muffler, add a fuel pump/regulator and watch water temps-BJ
QUOTE (turbo89 @ Apr 11 2009, 11:53 AM)
There is a difference in making money on a kit and RAPING the customer.
IT seems Everyone wants to RETIRE off 1 turbo kit. I've found similar costs in producing a 1200 kits as to what is listed above.
The people making the turbo kits have to understand .. the investment of time IS ON THEM !
Thats what part of the profit is for... to make money on the time spent initially.
IF it takes you 50 hours to get a working Tune or 100 hours to perfect a header design ...
you dont need to be in the business. Modern day tools get you close , then its just tweaking to get things finalized. If the initial design of the kit is sound then it will leave little to be improved upon later. With CAD you can produce a working header design in no time. The most difficult part is still
The tig welding and fabrication. You can only TIG so fast !
It doesnt take long to get " in the ball park" with a tune . We can tune 1000 rwhp Small block Fords
in 2-3 hours using E85 and EXTREMELY large injectors... so to get 300 hp out of a 1200
doesnt take 20 times as long.. same process .
As far as kit prices .. I can tell you this .. You get what you pay for and junk is junk at any price.
ADAMH if you are familiar with turbo's on cars... and fabrication work ... MAKE it YOURSELF
The quality will be there and you can chose the parts you put on it ... not to mention you can save yourself some coin ..... NO WAY should these kits be over $4K US
IT seems Everyone wants to RETIRE off 1 turbo kit. I've found similar costs in producing a 1200 kits as to what is listed above.
The people making the turbo kits have to understand .. the investment of time IS ON THEM !
Thats what part of the profit is for... to make money on the time spent initially.
IF it takes you 50 hours to get a working Tune or 100 hours to perfect a header design ...
you dont need to be in the business. Modern day tools get you close , then its just tweaking to get things finalized. If the initial design of the kit is sound then it will leave little to be improved upon later. With CAD you can produce a working header design in no time. The most difficult part is still
The tig welding and fabrication. You can only TIG so fast !
It doesnt take long to get " in the ball park" with a tune . We can tune 1000 rwhp Small block Fords
in 2-3 hours using E85 and EXTREMELY large injectors... so to get 300 hp out of a 1200
doesnt take 20 times as long.. same process .
As far as kit prices .. I can tell you this .. You get what you pay for and junk is junk at any price.
ADAMH if you are familiar with turbo's on cars... and fabrication work ... MAKE it YOURSELF
The quality will be there and you can chose the parts you put on it ... not to mention you can save yourself some coin ..... NO WAY should these kits be over $4K US
No one retires on a 1000-2000 dollars.
Rape is a harsh word for making an honest living.
Granted I don't know how the price was set, or what the exchange rate is, or how much the dealer is trying to make, but I am sure it is more than MCxpress is making.
Also Again I must stress here Apples to Apples comparison, the MCXpress system is 100% complete and all tuned for you, Not Everyone has your abilities, in fact 95% of the guys who will purchase a system don't know anything at all about the system or how it works, they just want to gas and go, this has VALUE.
From what your saying, your time has no value, you will use all your years of hard knocks and experience you paid to learn and just give it away, use your tools you bought, Use the computer and software you bought use all your welding materials and expertise, give away all of your development time, to make 10% on a turbo kit and that is how you set your price?
Dude Go for it, build a system and give it away!
But Simple Economics class is in order here.
Your a smart guy when it comes to engines but I am not so sure about your business abilities.
Not a Dig, it's just what I am reading here, so let's not get angry or personal.
All I am saying here is I can appreciate the time and effort they put in to they're system and think they deserve every penny they make on the system.
Whether the dealer selling it deserves it or not is questionable depending on margins.
I can go to a Resturant and buy a steak for 24.95 or go to the grocery store and buy a steak for 5.99 and cook it myself.
Some how it always tastes better at the resturant.
Ted.
QUOTE (turbo89 @ Apr 11 2009, 11:53 AM)
There is a difference in making money on a kit and RAPING the customer.
IT seems Everyone wants to RETIRE off 1 turbo kit. I've found similar costs in producing a 1200 kits as to what is listed above.
The people making the turbo kits have to understand .. the investment of time IS ON THEM !
Thats what part of the profit is for... to make money on the time spent initially.
IF it takes you 50 hours to get a working Tune or 100 hours to perfect a header design ...
you dont need to be in the business. Modern day tools get you close , then its just tweaking to get things finalized. If the initial design of the kit is sound then it will leave little to be improved upon later. With CAD you can produce a working header design in no time. The most difficult part is still
The tig welding and fabrication. You can only TIG so fast !
It doesnt take long to get " in the ball park" with a tune . We can tune 1000 rwhp Small block Fords
in 2-3 hours using E85 and EXTREMELY large injectors... so to get 300 hp out of a 1200
doesnt take 20 times as long.. same process .
As far as kit prices .. I can tell you this .. You get what you pay for and junk is junk at any price.
ADAMH if you are familiar with turbo's on cars... and fabrication work ... MAKE it YOURSELF
The quality will be there and you can chose the parts you put on it ... not to mention you can save yourself some coin ..... NO WAY should these kits be over $4K US
IT seems Everyone wants to RETIRE off 1 turbo kit. I've found similar costs in producing a 1200 kits as to what is listed above.
The people making the turbo kits have to understand .. the investment of time IS ON THEM !
Thats what part of the profit is for... to make money on the time spent initially.
IF it takes you 50 hours to get a working Tune or 100 hours to perfect a header design ...
you dont need to be in the business. Modern day tools get you close , then its just tweaking to get things finalized. If the initial design of the kit is sound then it will leave little to be improved upon later. With CAD you can produce a working header design in no time. The most difficult part is still
The tig welding and fabrication. You can only TIG so fast !
It doesnt take long to get " in the ball park" with a tune . We can tune 1000 rwhp Small block Fords
in 2-3 hours using E85 and EXTREMELY large injectors... so to get 300 hp out of a 1200
doesnt take 20 times as long.. same process .
As far as kit prices .. I can tell you this .. You get what you pay for and junk is junk at any price.
ADAMH if you are familiar with turbo's on cars... and fabrication work ... MAKE it YOURSELF
The quality will be there and you can chose the parts you put on it ... not to mention you can save yourself some coin ..... NO WAY should these kits be over $4K US
Again
we are all waiting patiently for your LOW COST,BETTER THAN,NO ISSUE turbo kit.You should get off the internet and start working on it ,next season comes fast.
turbo89
Put me on your list for the turbo I want one keep me posted.Thanks
How much for the Busa ? and no turbo on it why !!!!!
Put me on your list for the turbo
I want one keep me posted.ThanksHow much for the Busa ? and no turbo on it why !!!!!
QUOTE (turbo89 @ Apr 13 2009, 10:16 PM)
I havent ridden the Busa in almost 3 years ... I dont even think it has 1K miles on it, It had a turbo on it .. sold the kit to a customer of mine that just HAD to have the turbo kit that was on it ...
Why did I sell it ? I dunno 4th , 5th gear power wheelies at 140 werent my thing.
Some the of the kits I see now they are making 550 hp or so .. Mine was probably 275-300 ..
Too much !
Why did I sell it ? I dunno 4th , 5th gear power wheelies at 140 werent my thing.
Some the of the kits I see now they are making 550 hp or so .. Mine was probably 275-300 ..
Too much !
I'm doing a 1200 next season it will either be Turbo89's or Powderlites, FPP isn't worth a second look saw it at the show, no where near the quality of kit powderlites builds. Nothing else is all that interesting the "other" guy talking about a kit on this site has already taken and screwed me so there are limited choices when you want to do honest business with someone.
QUOTE (turbo89 @ Apr 13 2009, 04:35 PM)
Ted ... Cant disagree with ANY of what you said above ... you are 100 % right on the money
I am giving it away .... I've said this before .. I'm not in it for the money ...
This is a hobby for me and I enjoy getting people into the sport and helping in anyway I can.
I expect fair compensation for my time involved in the kits ... but in all honesty there just isnt ALOT of time other then the fabrication and tig welding.
The problem is that people have become complacent with paying whatever a company wants for whatever JUNK they offer.
You mentioned in a previous post about warranty of 1 year
On my 321 car turbo setups ... I warranty the kit for Life to the original owner of the kit ... I've yet to have 1 come back ... couldn't even tell you how many I've done but has to be in the 100's
I also Agree fully that a guy wants to bolt on a kit and not have to worry about it ...
THIS IS MY INTENTION ... BOLT the kit on .. it will all be preconfigured and add FUEL.. have some fun.
BOTTOM LINE ... I cant promise 300 hp on 87 octane for $2500 .. sorry thats just not a real expectation.
No offense taken Ted ...
Personally I enjoy a Good cut of beef off my farm prepared the way I like
but to each his own !!
I am giving it away .... I've said this before .. I'm not in it for the money ...
This is a hobby for me and I enjoy getting people into the sport and helping in anyway I can.
I expect fair compensation for my time involved in the kits ... but in all honesty there just isnt ALOT of time other then the fabrication and tig welding.
The problem is that people have become complacent with paying whatever a company wants for whatever JUNK they offer.
You mentioned in a previous post about warranty of 1 year
On my 321 car turbo setups ... I warranty the kit for Life to the original owner of the kit ... I've yet to have 1 come back ... couldn't even tell you how many I've done but has to be in the 100's
I also Agree fully that a guy wants to bolt on a kit and not have to worry about it ...
THIS IS MY INTENTION ... BOLT the kit on .. it will all be preconfigured and add FUEL.. have some fun.
BOTTOM LINE ... I cant promise 300 hp on 87 octane for $2500 .. sorry thats just not a real expectation.
No offense taken Ted ...
Personally I enjoy a Good cut of beef off my farm prepared the way I like
but to each his own !!
turbo 89, are you working on a front setup or right side setup?
Turbo89- any updates on your kit?
QUOTE (DenverR1 @ Aug 11 2009, 03:57 PM)
Turbo89- any updates on your kit?
I'm not allowed to comment .. not a sponsor ... The admins will delete my posts and I will get reprimanded ...
QUOTE (turbo89 @ Aug 11 2009, 06:10 PM)
I'm not allowed to comment .. not a sponsor ... The admins will delete my posts and I will get reprimanded ...
pm me?
So I have to ask again.
What is the real retail cost of a Good reliable Pump fuel trail friendly Turbo kit for the XR 1200 complete?
Yes include clutching and all necessities.
No installation costs.
What kind of HP can be anticipated? at how many #'s of Boost?
Any Ideas?????
Real Pump fuel trail friendly.................
What is the real retail cost of a Good reliable Pump fuel trail friendly Turbo kit for the XR 1200 complete?
Yes include clutching and all necessities.
No installation costs.
What kind of HP can be anticipated? at how many #'s of Boost?
Any Ideas?????
Real Pump fuel trail friendly.................
Let's stay on topic. All of the non topic posts have been deleted. If two members want to set up a race then do it elsewhere such as the general sledding forum. You can even start a new topic in this forum as long as you keep the posts civil.
QUOTE (T190 @ Aug 22 2009, 10:49 PM)
So I have to ask again.
What is the real retail cost of a Good reliable Pump fuel trail friendly Turbo kit for the XR 1200 complete?
Yes include clutching and all necessities.
No installation costs.
What kind of HP can be anticipated? at how many #'s of Boost?
Any Ideas?????
Real Pump fuel trail friendly.................
What is the real retail cost of a Good reliable Pump fuel trail friendly Turbo kit for the XR 1200 complete?
Yes include clutching and all necessities.
No installation costs.
What kind of HP can be anticipated? at how many #'s of Boost?
Any Ideas?????
Real Pump fuel trail friendly.................
10,000.00
200-220hp
6-7lbs boost
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