I have no info other then I was sent the pictures its a powderlites kit and supposed to be working awesome.

Seen the sled runin person...runs extremely well. Claims in his post over at TY seem to be pretty accurate from what we saw at Big Iron

Looks like they are running extra coolant through the running boards. How much more anti-freeze do they have in the system doing this?

What is going to be the price of the kit?

Found this over on Snowest..pretty decent pricing for us in Canada. This has definately perked my interest....

Powder Lites has been working on SkiDoo turbo kit for the torque monster 1200cc 3 cylinder Rotax motor.
We wanted to bring out a turbo kit for the Skidoo that will be doing the monster chutes and drag racing all with same reliability as the guy who just trail rides with his buddies every weekend.
We are using a Garrett GT2860RS Turbo that is designed for a 250HP to 360HP on this kit. Water-cooled and ball bearings for fast spooling.
SkiDoo 1200 turbo kit comes with a very well place and designed Intercooler that can handle 400 HP.
Blowoff valve in bottom tank so air is dump off before going through intercooler for better cooling.
Stainless Header and turbo outlet pipe with ceramic coating.
Exhaust turbo housing is ported and ceramic coated.
Turbo exhaust outlet pipe is double divorced for more efficiency which means more HP and torque with less boost.
Hindle stainless/aluminum muffler is lightweight and quiet.
As with all our turbo kits you get AEM air/fuel gauge, bracket and boost gauge.
How does this SkiDoo stack up against the Yamaha turbo Apex’s and FX Nytro’s? Very well!
Smooth power and high torque. Monster chute in Revelstoke, BC Canada was easy at only 10 PSI boost.
Boost for boost against Yamaha turbo sleds this torque monster smokes them!
The 91mm pistons pushing down on the heavy built bottom end with cracked connecting rods that are built for very big power make the knees shake and wobble on the Yamaha guys!
Turbo kit will come with Rapid Bike 3 for EFI control and Ignition timing control for max HP and torque.
EFI control with timing makes great throttle response and safer HP with higher boost levels.
We take pride in our products and it shows when you ride with a POWDER LITES Turbo kit on your sled.

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Its an aftermarket tunnel the coolers are located elsewhere to the stock tunnel.

Remember no long track summit style doo's were made that one is stretched!

No HP numbers were mentioned but must be impressive if it is smokin the Yami's that bad.
Can anyone tell what clutches those were from the pics?

Rage IV Primary/Shockwave equipped secondary

cant wait for mine!

ALOT OF EXCELLENT thought into this kit Stainless header... bigger turbo .. divorced piping .. standalone fuel and ignition

Thanks for the info.

What is the cost of clutches in canadian funds?

In US funds:
Rage IV Primary $1250
Shockwave Helix $249


Canadian $1873 total

you forgot ramp: 350$ and sping 30$

sick

STM Primary in Canadian when you buy a turbo kit approx $ 1360.
250-836-4422 or 250-804-6952 turbo kits
email

this is what I paid in US$, e-mail from Mark Beyer at STM

Rage -4 $1250.00
0360a4 adjustable cam arms $ 320.00
2 day UPS $195.74
3 day UPS $ 61.82

Cost me roughly the same. When all was said and done it cost me 2050.00 CDN to get it to my door.

Dyno Numbers today.
SkiDoo turbo

Very impressive Dave, looks like it will be very easy to clutch and I like the power on top 7500 thats really incredible. Good job buddy.

What fuel were you running,have you actually put miles on the snow at these levels?
Thanks

Let's all make this perfectly clear Dave is the ONLY one that brings it at that level and it is reliable.

That is why the MILES question was asked.We are all looking for the same reliability.Dyno numbers do not give that information.What boost level,it wasn't posted

Read the dyno sheet boost is posted the doo will use Rapid bike 3 engine management system, whe Dave says its reliable its reliable. And yes it is on snow, yes they have a bunch of testing on it.

Darrell the McQue brothers have been pounding the mountains with a couple of Daves kits for awhile. Sources say they are incredible power for the boost levels being run at. They the guys in the mountains will find the weak links faster than us as far as cooling systems , engine durability so on just doo to the cycle times at wot. Send me your email Darrell , I have some interesting info.

Flat land testing is there any?????? Boost amount, HP amount with that boost for pump 91????
Thank you.

ptm

She looks a little lean at the top end. I take it at those AFR's it wasn't on pump gas?
Still, he's getting it done...

Injectors will be an issue for sure at sea level, not sure on the elevation where Dave dynoed it at but we seem to always be leaner here in the east for some reason. is there any sea-doo guys out there watching this post that can give some info on the boosted A.M. injectors. I have seen 600 c.c. injectors available for the 1500 watercraft, any info on where and who would be appreciated.

Don't ya think that's a bit of a stretch considering there's only 2-3 (possibly 4) machines equippeed with kits, the longest has been running since mid winter? I'm not syaing his stuff isn't impressive, it is, but I think it's a little early to jump on the wagon.

Put that sled on a lake with those AFR number with pump gaz and You will come back home by your feet! Also, you stop the test at 8000 rpm, I don't want to see what kind of spatial AFR you will get at 8500 rpm.

2 sec WOT at 13 AFR is sufficient to destroy that motor on 91 pump gaz.


Theses kind of numbers cost me 2 destroyed engine.

Long sled the mountains have very harsh engine load conditions as the lake wot, those #s you refer to are part of the equation that cost you engines Will you agree, I have read some of your posts and you know there is issues with high fuel pressure to copensate for to small of injector and high duty cycles, also log manifolds are not helping with ridding the exhaust energy, heat backs up you have tight cylinder clearences and a recipe for a walk or tow home. Correct you probably have more seat , ride time and wrenching time than anyone I know.

Still some reliability questions that I'm shure will be answered as this kit is run over the summer and next season. They need to be commended on posting there results.

I agree, everyone is so quick to jump all over someone. There are reliability issues with any engine when you are more than doubling the horsepower and torque. There is alot of testing to do yet but the sky is the limit with these four strokes, everyone jumped all over us a few years back with the nitrous stuff and it was proven to be as reliable as a stock mach engine. It sucks to come here and read all the negative crap people are posting about boosting the xr's, no one is telling anyone to buy the kits, to each there own. If I owned one I would definetly be buying a turbo kit and doing the research and learning needed to make it live and run well. We are usually our own worst enemy when it comes to modding these sleds.

I agree with you. Dave should be commended for openly posting his findings and even pictures of everything that's going on there. It looks like another well built kit done with excellent craftsmanship.

The better kit available will be the kit that will be able to suck heat from that engine and be able to replace stock injector and running at 40 psi of fuel pressure and have an automatic knock sensing boost decreasing.

This will be the most reliable way. don't forget, every time you add parts or components is one more chance to fail.

This is why I will built my own. I did'nt see anything of aftermaket kit going that way.

Its funny the last question on my mind when I ordered my nytro was is it reliable when I add boost? LOL anything you are doubling the hp of has a risk of having a failier. You can bet Dave will have it worked out to be sea level friendly, the rapid bike 3 opens up so much more for tuning and reliability. Yes its has been tested by a select few and yes it is working awesome, Dave will not release anything that will compromise his name he as worked far to long and hard to build powderlites to what it is today. There is no question looking at other kits available for the doo or the yamaha sleds powderlites is the best for quality and completeness.

Longsled Im curiouse you are building your own stuff, what are you using for fuel and timing control and deto sensing, sounds very advanced, give some details do like Dave does, and show eveyone whats up with your project . Remember knowledge truly is power.

I have knock sensing that give me a a signal when knock occur and this is connected to boost controler and a safety injector in the charge tube. I will try to modified the spark timing this summer with that knock sensing.

modified injectors work at 40 psi with boost reference. and provide enough fuel to run the engine hydrolocked.

I'm working now on turbo setup with special housing and twin outlet.

Longsled! Who's turbo kit are you selling? Tell the truth!
I know our's was lean on Dyno but this was only testing our Rapid Bike 3 with timing control so we can retard with boost. I wasn't trying to set high HP numbers at all.
8500 RPM and all I will say is you will keep burning down engines!!
Maybe I know a little bit about EFI and Longsled I will make a strong reliable turbo kit that will be turn key and still drag race your buddies everyday.
Have fun what ever you do but as a lot of guys know I will help everyone out even if we didn't build it.
Rapid Bike 3 would be first thing to making a good running sled.
Why run high compression on a turbo motor?
Turbo Yamaha guys have seen what we do with throttle response and Need-For speed can tell you how we do things at Powder Lites
SkiDoo Turbo

For us flat lander guys, what are you doing for chassis strength dave? A few guys have had major issues with chassis flex and breaking stuff with this much power on turbo sleds. So I have been led to believe. What is the story on all this? And what is being done to help guys with this issue?

Your kits have proven themselves in the Yami world and I am sure they will be great in ski doo land dave!!! Top notch stuff out of your shop. I can attest to that!!!!

Not really Dave's responsability to fix a chassis issue as its not related to what he is doing. I ran a modded 800R most of the season upper 160's no where close to the hp of the 1200 however there were no chassis issues. The two issues I would immiedately remedy for the chassis are on a renegade add a rod to hold the suspension rails togeather behind the coupler blocks they tend to bow out after some big jumps. I would also add the grip N rip chassis stiffeners are the front end will tweak if you hit it just right. Other then that, the clutch tower is supposed to be changed and strenthened for 10 although I had no issues there.

I for one am thankfull for any and all posts with with info about these turbo systems.I am new to the 4 stroke/turbo field,had alot of 2 strokes and alot of mods to them.I am sure there will be some tweeking to any system for the area,conditions and style you ride,but that is true with any hiperformance modifications.Powderlites system looks excellent,but others will probably come out with good systems also.
Just picked up a 09 TNT1200 and will be doing a turbo system.
Just like to say THANKS TO ALL for sharing your information and ideas as I am trying to get educated so I dont have too many gremlins showup once I get a turbo system.
Thanks,Johnny

X2 , thankyou all for your input. to get us as up to speed as possible before making a purchase such as this. keep the info coming.

thanks, jkl

question answered, Just heard issues with rigidity and was wondering what people were doing thats all.

I just want sell my used FPP stage 1 kit. I don't want to built turbo kit for anybody . I 'm just to built a new kit for myself and my FPP kit is for sale. I worked all last winter to run 15 psi with that kit, and component are just too small. it's a 6.5 psi trail kit, I just want more. (you know, it's never enough...)


I just said that if your kit is dropped like that with those AFR, it will not working. I'm enough smart to know that you will never do that. So, You don't told us with your dynosheet that it was just testing. Now we know.

How much are you asking for your Turbo Kit, do you have the installation papers and what is included ??
You can e-mail me at mainerental@myfairpoint.net
Thanks Ted

SkiDoo 1200 Turbo kit from Powder Lites is $6645. Canadian which is $5500. US funds today
$500 deposit which is refundable. Sale ends July 31/09
Kit comes complete with AEM A/F Gauge, Boost gauge & Bracket.
Hindle muffler for quiet stealthy sweet sound.
Rapid Bike 3 EFI with timing control and you will be able to to have 2 maps and other features.
Airbox assy. is replaced with custom frame to hold gauge pod and headlights.
Header and turbo exhaust housing are ceramic coated.
Intake airbox is custom designed to be able to handle high boost.
We have a proven name for reliable High Performance Turbo kits that out performs the competition.
This kit is adjustable from low boost to high boost for trailablity or drag racing performance.
BRP has built a great engine, when boosted properly with a Powder Lites Turbo kit and the Rapid Bike EFI control module we can safely deliver over 300 HP and more then 210 ft lbs torque which creates the ultimate ride experience.
SkiDoo Turbo

How do you compare your turbo and or turbo kit to a mc-xpress turbo and or turbo kit, both kits look real inviting! But I would like your honest opinion about yours vr's theirs, thanks.

Heres mine they just finished the turbo install. They did an aweseome job. Everything is top notch as you would expect from them. RUns great and smooth power. Thanks Dave's

RacinJason that statement you made asking PowderLites to openly bash a competitors product is ridiculouse. I know Dave wont touch that one. You need to do more homework. There is enough drama on these kind of web sites without those kind of requests.

Looks real clean!!! Good Job Dave! He's got a really nice setup with the MAP sensor and RB3 in there....so tempting right now as it seems like the most through kit out there now and his price is pretty darn decent for us North of the Border... On another note...Chad's did a great job on your tunnel too