I put 250 miles this weekend on my 1200 Renagade with stage 2 FPP turbo.The power is instant ,no lag,trailability is excellent with gas mileage equal or better than stock when running 50-60 mph.I have a boost controller and run 7-7.5 lbs.I have been mixing 91 and 3 gallons of 100LL to a tank to be safe.This sled is incredibly responsive and picks up to 120mph very quickly.I have only ran against a couple of well set up CrossFire R 1000's on the Lake. Conditions were hardpacked and all sleds were studded.The Renagade came out with the 1000's and quickly put 8-10 sled lengths on them in 1000 ft. I am running a Supreme Tool 4 post and shockwave helix, 36 tooth gear (thanks Big John for getting me a starting point for my clutch set up). There will be a lake shootout in a couple of weeks,I will post on how it does against the Turbo Yamahas,Cats and Nitrous Machs.

RACE MY 1200 GADE WITH STAGE 1 FFP 6LBS BOOST @ 500 DRAG IN SIDNAW MI. SATURDAY MADE 3RD PLACE IN OPEN MOD.THEN TRAIL RODE SUNDAY ABOUT 150 MILES AND EVERYTHING IS GOOD OTHER THAN IT POP OUT OF GEAR @ 105. RUNNING A MIRCO BELMONT 4 POST WITH A TEAM SECONDARY ,PUTTING THE 36 BOTTOM GEAR IN TODAY.

I was very suprised with the 36 gear ,thought it would be too much but just the opposite.Does not bother bottom end or response,will give you a much lower rpm at trail speeds and big improvment on the top.As I have said before the throttle reponse at any speed is incredible.You will likely be spending a bit of time with your clutching.

Do you have to mod the motor for low compression with the stage 2?

We have not did any motor modifications for compression ,Stage 2 is variable from 4.5-20lbs of boost.Compression may have to be lowered at higher boost levels but we have been OK on pump 91 at 6llb boost ,I have been running a mix 91 and 100LL at higher boost levels 8-10lbs.This sled is a Rocket even at 6lbs.

Shootout on Lake was yesterday,Lots of Hijacker Turbo cats and Turbo Yamahas.FPP stage 2 set at 8lbs was always 1st or second ,set boost to 12lbs and put 10-15 lengths on closest sled.Runs were on snow 1200 ft.

Good 2 hear yaa got it running , Ineed 2 get more boost on my FFP Stage 1 she can't pull that 36 gear on 5.5 lbs of boost ,Justin send me a toggle 2 boost her up.

take care, you now entering in a very dangerous area. more than 6.5 psi on stage 1 need to be extremely carefull.... and it's call detonation party

can you who has the turbo kits look at getting the 1200

QUOTE: Good 2 hear yaa got it running , Ineed 2 get more boost on my FFP Stage 1 she can't pull that 36 gear on 5.5 lbs of boost ,Justin send me a toggle 2 boost her up.

pm plus man. he has no trouble running that gear at 5.5 psi with the polar clutch and it runs great and has on and off the characteristics of a 440 snocrosser. He runs the Polar clutch

running the 36 bottom gear at 6.5 psi even if I use a STM clutch make this sled running like a big cow in trail use . You surely don't try the 41 to say that.

Longsled ,the response of my sled @ 6-7lbs with 36 gear is incredible ,what set up are you using for the primary and secondary clutching?

with your failures with the turbo sled why would anybody listen to what you say? How can you make the above statement without any substantial evidence to back it up. Your turbo sled has been a disaster from the get go. Plus Man had his set up by Justin himself and I can tell you pulls the 36 and runs through the trail on and off the gas without issues.

I absolutley love the way my sled pulls. I have had lots of high performance sleds noss sleds big big bores and this thing works awesome. I can run side by side up to 600feet with a 300 hp Turbo Yamaha. I have absolutley no issues with over 2000 km on pump gas (6ibs boost) . Sled will run 120 mph in just over 1000 feet. Justin set up my sled personally and I have spent some time at his shop great guy.I have not had any overheating issues and I got over 1500 km on the first belt belt it is still OK just cord starting to come out and this belt did not have a eazy life as I was dialing in my clutching. Lots of hard short pulls. This sled is hard to hook up with 168 studs so cant imagine changing gear to a 41 . Gets awesome fuel mileage same as stock 800r in trails. My sled is set up to be a trail sled not a radar sled . I do not hold it wide open for 3km down a lake no need to . These sleds are not stockers you need to use your head and respect what they are . You need to be aware of the engine all the time ( fuel quality and watch your guages)

just because I'm the only guy who run 10 psi + (12 on my body sled) on that sled with stage-1, I'm the only guy that have automatic chrono boost deacrasing of the boost, I probably the only guy that run without chaincase cover to make test with all gearing from 36 to 45 and from 22 to 27, and I'm probably the only guy that have more than 2500 miles on that turbo kit, and I'm probably the only one who made engine modif to handle big hp, and i'm probably the only guy that DON'T RUN race fuel. And i'm the only one that found that is impossible to run more than 8 psi without adding extra injectors. the only one that find that using 100 psi of fuel pressure make the injector to leak. the only one find that overheating exhaust that not produce more MPH at 12 than 10 psi on lake racing. the only guy who try direct alcohol injection (on my body sled) the only guy that find that exhaust pipe run at extraordinary 1700 degree.

It's just for that reason that I think I did probably more testing on that t-1200 than a part of you together.

do you thing that all that improvement need to do some testing and did without any failure? My kit is now for sale because I want to go up to 18-20 psi 3 miles WOT without having eyes on the wide band at 140 mph . 10 psi is now not enough.

I said it, you like your sled like that, leave it like that. end of the story.

this is exactly the thing I don't want to do. With your affirmation, you just tell that you are not confident and you drive with the "edit for bad language" tight.

Longsled you started this. I only asked the author(sorry Rocketman) here to get in touch with Plus Man as his sled is working exactly how a well set up trail sled should work clutch wise. You still have made no hard facts as to why the 36 gear makes this as you call it a "COW"? Where are your facts? Because you tried it and couldn't get it to work? Does that mean no one can figure it out? All I am saying is that with the problems you have had with your sled, there MAY have been issues when you tried the gear.
This particular sled with the 36 gear runs exactly how the turbo TRAIL sled should work.
Quit being so closed minded.

Best MPH radar i did on 1000 ft was with the 41T. I tried all cltuch setup ( in the TRA). After your affirmation 1 month ago, I tried the STM clutch and shockwave helix. Speed is higher with the new clutch, but the the difference stay the same, faster on 1000 ft with the 41. This mean that result give fastest corner to corner in trail application.

I also found that for a same gear ratio, a bigger upper sprocket and a bigger bottom sprocket (45T) with reverse removed provide 3 mph faster than the same ratio with reverse gear in.

this is measured facts.

Could horse power and torque be the variable?
More HP will pull a taller gear faster, lower HP will be faster with lower gearing? Just a thought, don't know for sure.

Longsled, you had mentioned several times that you didn't feel your stage 1 was producing the 200+ HP power that it should... I think you mentioned in other posts that from experience you felt it more like 185 ?
and you never dyno'd it thru all the problems you encountered.

or guys, how about clutching / belt pressure / belt slip?
Wouldn't a taller a gear aggravate slip and cause a slower MPH? Keep in mid that faster ET (aka:corner to corner) doesn't always correlate to faster MPH...
But regardless no one can dispute what works for you, for what goal you are trying to accomplish (speed run vs E.T. / trail response).

Everything you say is "I" this and "I" that. What if your clutch calibration isn't as efficient with a certain gear as it is with another gear combo? This in itself would produce the same results as you claim. Same with the observations that Mbarryracing is making as well. Your comment of comparing a single acceration run such as a speed run has and will always have a different clutch set than some one who wants a good overall trail set up.

OK..a little help...

when I first rode mine with the 24/43 gear it was insane on the trail...just looking at the flipper caused neck snapping acceleration...

then I regeared with the 36...it "mellowed" out that part so "cow" could apply...but the speedo went to the moon vs the 43 bottom...

now I have the 38 bottom = happy medium for me...still pulls big mph and got the "jump" back on the trail...BJ

BJ how much boost are you running with that setup ?

Sled runs like a cow ! . I marked out 500 feet with my gps in my back feild last week. Hard pack condition sled still did spin a little . Ran 94 mph . Thought that was pretty good for the old sow ! Running the 36 Bottom. Maybe next year I will try the 38 . Love the sled !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm agree with you.

''like a cow'' is maybe to strong words. smoothly feeling would have been better words. But my idea doesn't change, 41T feel stronger and sharper than the 36T in trail use.

Got the 38 gear order for mine.Running the stock gear with 8.5 lbs of boost @ the Hill Drags in the Pocono's this weekend.

38 T @ 8 psi

6-7 psi...BJ