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LabradorBoy
Yes, the dollar signs in the title are intentional.

Nice or what?

LabradorBoy
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Side View... check out the drop hook down to the tow point on the bulkhead... nifty.
LabradorBoy
Head-On View

LabradorBoy
And now for some SUV love....


LabradorBoy
Another shot of the SUV Rack...

glfritz
[size="5"][/size]Sweeeeeeeeeeeeetttttttttttttttttttttteeeeeeeee
newfiesurveyor
awesome rack!!! i have a 2007 wt can i get a rack to fit mine or are these one off specials??
LabradorBoy
QUOTE (newfiesurveyor @ Dec 22 2007, 02:24 AM) *
awesome rack!!! i have a 2007 wt can i get a rack to fit mine or are these one off specials??


These are one-off specials. However, with the pictures I have posted (and the additional pictures that I have in my possession) any good fabricator should be able to duplicate them.

The ones on the TUV's are made of stainless, apparently, wihch is overkill in my case. I would just need steel, painted grey. Any good welders/pipe benders out there? Maybe a Millwright or two?

newfiesurveyor
Sounds like a plan, think i will look into getting one made after christmas. Are they hinged/pinned to allow the hood to come up?
LabradorBoy
QUOTE (newfiesurveyor @ Dec 22 2007, 09:05 PM) *
Sounds like a plan, think i will look into getting one made after christmas. Are they hinged/pinned to allow the hood to come up?


Yes, look closely to see where the rack is pinned at the two rear verticals to the bumper, then hinged at the base of the forward "V". It's a very nice set-up when completed and installed.
deepstuff
AWSOME!! You'd think someone would be making them to sell by now. Any more detailed shots?
ravinerat
Those are some great racks. Make the sleds look more rugged. Wish I could make some some funmctional stuff like that.

RR
LabradorBoy
QUOTE (ravinerat @ Mar 28 2008, 07:43 PM) *
Those are some great racks. Make the sleds look more rugged. Wish I could make some some funmctional stuff like that.

RR


Look up Kirk Hastings or David Price in Wyevale, ON. They had a local fabricator make up two racks for an Attak and an RS Venture and it was a stellar job for a one-off. I bet their guy could make one up for you like these in a heartbeat.
ravinerat
Thanks for the names. They would be just up the highway from where I am. I can't stop going back and viewing those pics.

RR
LabradorBoy
NP. These guys were Team #7 in Cains Quest 2008, real pair of tough guys.
ravinerat
I'll lhave to look up Cain's Quest. I think I found them in our phone book.

RR
ravinerat
Now you really got me interested after reading Cain's Quest.


RR
LabradorBoy
Glad to see that it was interesting to you, I have thought about making a thread about it a few times on here. If you get to talk to the boys, tell them Rob says hi. They are great guys.

I have attached a pic of the bumper/exocage that their fabricator made up for one of their Attaks, nice job, looks even better in person.

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Milley_LabradorRider
Rob,
Are the pics of those skandics from the guys that went to Ungava bay??? If so those guys had a hard go....
Also, are you looing for suggestions for next years race route?? If so PM me
LabradorBoy
QUOTE (Milley_LabradorRider @ Apr 1 2008, 02:21 PM) *
Rob,
Are the pics of those skandics from the guys that went to Ungava bay??? If so those guys had a hard go....
Also, are you looing for suggestions for next years race route?? If so PM me


Yes, that's Louis Guay's crew. They had a hard go on Hudson's Bay, that's where they went through the sea ice. The run to Kuujuuaq from St-Raymond is long, but it's not that difficult. Lots of barrens and ice, but no long stretches of deep snow.

I appreciate the offer on the race route options. I have a lot of options scoped and ready to go from CFalls to Goose, but if you have any passable alternatives for the Lab West to CFalls end, I am all ears. I would like to avoid the narrow piece of land between Bowdoin Canyon and the forebay near CFalls, I hate that area b/c it's so restricted.

Email or PM is the better way to discuss, Bingle has my address. Send me some .gdb or .gpx files for options if you wish.
Frostbit
QUOTE (LabradorBoy @ Dec 22 2007, 08:38 AM) *
These are one-off specials. However, with the pictures I have posted (and the additional pictures that I have in my possession) any good fabricator should be able to duplicate them.

The ones on the TUV's are made of stainless, apparently, wihch is overkill in my case. I would just need steel, painted grey. Any good welders/pipe benders out there? Maybe a Millwright or two?



You sure those silver colored ones are not aluminum?

Great idea, though. I think a guy could obtain an already made ATV rack and modify it to fit. Sounds like a good project.
LabradorBoy
QUOTE (Frostbit @ Apr 2 2008, 11:41 AM) *
You sure those silver colored ones are not aluminum?

Great idea, though. I think a guy could obtain an already made ATV rack and modify it to fit. Sounds like a good project.


The fabricator himself told me that they were stainless. I agree that they don't look shiny enough to be stainless and I saw no bluing near the weldments, but perhaps they were painted? Perhaps he used to do them out of alu and/or steel, but now he only does them in stainless due to corrosion concerns.
Cains Guest
QUOTE (LabradorBoy @ Apr 2 2008, 01:36 PM) *
The fabricator himself told me that they were stainless. I agree that they don't look shiny enough to be stainless and I saw no bluing near the weldments, but perhaps they were painted? Perhaps he used to do them out of alu and/or steel, but now he only does them in stainless due to corrosion concerns.



Any input if a couple of flatlanders were to use chromoly (spelling?) as a metal of choice for our XUs. Had a local fabricator that builds roll cages in race cars offer to play with us. I'm unsure of its reaction to extreme cold.
LabradorBoy
With regard to extreme cold, there's not going to be much a difference in the properties of chromoly from room temperature other than the fact that it will be slightly more brittle, which is a weak point of chromoly fabrication.

Generally, chromoly is much more expensive and harder to work with for the average fabricator/welder. From what I have seen, the fabricated assemblies/components are more brittle and is very sensitive to how you weld it or make joints.

With the resources you seem to have handy... if you were to machine each piece and fit it on the sled, then TIG weld the parts together it's probably a better choice. However, in my fabricating experience I usually have gaps to fill with weld when making turns (even on my best projects there's usually a gap to hide here or there) so, if you have much/any gap to fill, that's typically where the cracks appear. I have seen a fair amount of chromoly assemblies/frames/cages crack and break at these fill joints; they are notoriously the brittle points of any chromoly assembly.

There is a slight weight advantage to using chromoly, but I stand by the fact that mild steel is much more forgiving, easier to work with, and significantly less expensive. One other very strong point of mild steel is it's ability to be field welded by just about anybody. That could prove to be very handy to a terrain racer like yourself at a layover; this in addition to the fact that a mild steel welded assembly would be more likely to take a hit and slightly deform rather than a chromoly assembly that would probably crack.
LabradorBoy
QUOTE (LabradorBoy @ Apr 2 2008, 02:36 PM) *
The fabricator himself told me that they were stainless. I agree that they don't look shiny enough to be stainless and I saw no bluing near the weldments, but perhaps they were painted? Perhaps he used to do them out of alu and/or steel, but now he only does them in stainless due to corrosion concerns.


Just as a follow-up to has already been stated here, I personally inspected one of these stainless steel bumpers (Dave Tomassin's) two weeks ago and they are indeed stainless steel, painted silver. Even the rear bumpers with the rope racks are stainless as well. The reason for stainless was it's ability to resist corrosion.
Cains Guest
QUOTE (LabradorBoy @ Nov 2 2008, 01:58 PM) *
With regard to extreme cold, there's not going to be much a difference in the properties of chromoly from room temperature other than the fact that it will be slightly more brittle, which is a weak point of chromoly fabrication.

Generally, chromoly is much more expensive and harder to work with for the average fabricator/welder. From what I have seen, the fabricated assemblies/components are more brittle and is very sensitive to how you weld it or make joints.

With the resources you seem to have handy... if you were to machine each piece and fit it on the sled, then TIG weld the parts together it's probably a better choice. However, in my fabricating experience I usually have gaps to fill with weld when making turns (even on my best projects there's usually a gap to hide here or there) so, if you have much/any gap to fill, that's typically where the cracks appear. I have seen a fair amount of chromoly assemblies/frames/cages crack and break at these fill joints; they are notoriously the brittle points of any chromoly assembly.

There is a slight weight advantage to using chromoly, but I stand by the fact that mild steel is much more forgiving, easier to work with, and significantly less expensive. One other very strong point of mild steel is it's ability to be field welded by just about anybody. That could prove to be very handy to a terrain racer like yourself at a layover; this in addition to the fact that a mild steel welded assembly would be more likely to take a hit and slightly deform rather than a chromoly assembly that would probably crack.


Once again thankyou for an insightfull reply. If your chatting with Todd ask him to read you my cover letter with our race application. I'm still chuckling.
tommc56
I think I see a couple of these in my future !
tommc56
any chance we could see some detail shots of the hinge and rear mount of the SUV rack ?
LabradorBoy
That's all I have Tom. For what it's worth I spoke to the people who used these bumpers and they were very quick to say that if they went with them again, the hood rack is the one item they would leave out. It was not useful for anything, really since any gear on it at all blocked the headlamp. You could mount up PIAA lamps to get around that, but they all agreed that it really wasn't worth it.

tommc56
Yeah I saw the headlight issue , you guys have the luxury of a little more storage than I do , I may still give one a try.
minimedic
The ski hill I worked at made custom roll bars for all the sleds they used. Not much to look but definitely did their job on more then one occasion.

minimedic
two more pictures.
LabradorBoy
They really roll that often?

Jeebus...
Sherpa-man
QUOTE (LabradorBoy @ Aug 10 2009, 10:52 AM) *
They really roll that often?

The night-shift snowmaking crews seem to have an uncanny ability to wreck just about every snowmobile they use... eventually. blink.gif
LabradorBoy
Yikes. I would be so annoyed if that kept happening to my fleet. I suppose even annoyed enough to put very ugly exocages on them.
SWTfan
Mountainsides are all steep stuff and if you are above the treeline you loose your ability to realize the angle you are at due to the lack of trees etc. I tipped mine over when I was at 9,000 ft. on Mt. Shasta in the spring and crossed my fingers that it wouldn't keep rolling. I was lying next to it looking up thinking; stay! stay!.
Irondog™
QUOTE (LabradorBoy @ Dec 21 2007, 09:11 AM) *
Yes, the dollar signs in the title are intentional.

Nice or what?


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