Cat's new 160hp 800

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Cat's new 160hp 800 2012 compliant??? Guess so....

#1 ncapster

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Posted 23 October 2009 - 10:32 AM

Acording to the latest Supertrax Cat's new mill meets the 2012 emission regs with throttle body EFI!!! I guess it's all thanks to the pipe sensor that Cat has a patent on. I guess the only competitor sleds you'll see with a pipe sensor are the race sleds. Cat has a patent for using it on trail / consumer sleds. If this new mill proves reliable sounds like Cat found a pretty cheap way of meeting the emission standards. Granted E-Tec is great but it also adds a lot of cost & complexity. When the patent runs out will we see other OEMs using this relatively cheap & simple technology instead of DI???

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Posted 23 October 2009 - 10:40 AM

Competition is GOOD!
I am glad to see it and I welcome it as it keeps our sport alive!

Good Job Arctic Cat .. IF we can believe everything we read...

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Posted 23 October 2009 - 10:49 AM

No big surprise. Cat has had the EFI thing nailed for years. I think DI will still be the benchmark though.

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Posted 23 October 2009 - 04:31 PM

QUOTE (Back-To-Doo @ Oct 23 2009, 11:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Competition is GOOD!
I am glad to see it and I welcome it as it keeps our sport alive!

Good Job Arctic Cat .. IF we can believe everything we read...

X2!!! ^^^^^^^^^

QUOTE (stealth bomber @ Oct 23 2009, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No big surprise. Cat has had the EFI thing nailed for years. I think DI will still be the benchmark though.

X2 again! ^^^^

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Posted 23 October 2009 - 07:13 PM

I have to call BS unless they have technology not yet announced to make it compliant to 2012 standards. The basic issue with any 2 stroke besides the ETEC is the unburned hydrocarbons being spewed out the exhaust regardless of how lean the EFI is calibrated. Catalytic converter of some type to burn off unburned fuel maybe? If so it would be heavy and add a lot of under hood heat. I agree with the competition is good thought but would be amazed if that engine could meet 2012 as it is.

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Posted 23 October 2009 - 09:15 PM

what's this pipe sensor? something new?

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Posted 23 October 2009 - 09:54 PM

QUOTE (razer @ Oct 23 2009, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

what's this pipe sensor? something new?

The pipe sensor is nothing new for cat, my 03 440 race sled has one. It adjusts the timing/map while engine is running to keep it at peek performance. I wonder now that they are using the pipe sensor, with fuel injection, if they incorperated the pipe sensor in with a knock sensor to keep sled super lean, and on the verge of melt-down? I know my E-tec is a nice sled, but as soon as CAT get a 160hp 800cc mill stuffed into that new RACE CHASSIS of theres, as a trail sled, I will be on one. I bought the E-tec for fuel mileage, but i would sacrifice some mileage, because that CAT race sled looks BAD "edit for bad language"!!!!!!

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Posted 23 October 2009 - 09:57 PM

QUOTE (ncapster @ Oct 23 2009, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Are you sure Cat has a patent on the pipe senor set up for consumer sleds? Polaris used a pipe sensor on their 900 Fusion a few years ago.

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Posted 23 October 2009 - 10:19 PM

QUOTE (ncapster @ Oct 23 2009, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Technology is what drives our industry forward, but it doesn't mean anything when the manufacturer doesn't stand behind their customers.....thats why I just switched to Ski-Doo from Arctic Cat after many years of buying their sleds who I believe have good products but their attitude towards their customers is the worst I have ever seen.

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Posted 24 October 2009 - 07:25 AM

QUOTE (mooselook @ Oct 23 2009, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And Doo is any better. Take off the yellow goggles for a minute. The OEMs are all the same; one no better than the other. Let's see, cranks seals walking out, delaminating boots, ring flaking, etc. The best was the crank seal on my '03 800. I was told by a Doo representative that the 800s need to warm up at least 20 minutes before riding to keep the seal in. Priceless. I'm a Doo fan, but you got to keep it in perspective.

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Posted 24 October 2009 - 08:12 AM

I don't believe it either. Snowtech had a great article an issue or two back and the only 2-stroke to meet 2012 was the etech just by a few points. Polaris CFI was close but no go, Cat wasn't even close with throttle body. Throttle body is really no different than a carbed sled that changes fuel flow according to the temp, like DPM or the 800R. The oil required is more because the fuel dilutes it.

Their sleds get awful mileage and suck oil, how can they meet 2012?

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Posted 24 October 2009 - 08:17 AM

QUOTE (mooselook @ Oct 23 2009, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You obviously haven't had a run in with the ski doo customer service department yet!

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Posted 24 October 2009 - 11:48 AM

Read Supertrax they have some patent on the technology.

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Posted 24 October 2009 - 12:06 PM

I agree that competition is good and I hope people buy it......Look at AC's financials, they are teetering on bankruptcy again....

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Posted 24 October 2009 - 01:55 PM

1) you got your info from Supertraxx - They usually embellish a few facts and I have found that they jump the gun a little on their findings - careful what you read from them

2) competition is good - keeps the game alive

3) pipe sensors have been used by AC and Poo for years - 01 or 02 If I remember correctly, when I saw the first AC model with one, was on a batteryless EFI model. So its not new technology. And Cat has had the EFI thing workin for them for quite some time.

4) DI is the future - you can bet that we will see more companies with it in the next year or two. Even on the 4strokes - I know that they are playing with it on dirtbikes/quads

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