[markusvt]

Those 3 gallons end up being pretty important, if you ride with the Yamaha's, bring a hose.

No these are dry weights. The 1200 holds 3 more gallons than the Nytro and that makes them look closer when comparing wet weights. Just don't fill your 1200 all the way.

[markusvt]

Good data!

NytroFX to XR1200 actual dry real measured weights, weighed on same scale same day, track length for track length, is 45 LBS. This is apples to apples, wet weight with both machines FULL of fuel, Ski-Doo is still 20 LBS lighter than Nytro even though Doo holds more fuel. Dry Weight of TNT XR1200 is within 1 pound of twin cylinder four-stroke Phazer which is lightest four-stroke, not bad for the XR1200!

[XP123]

The reason I asked is because isn't a 1200 x about 520 lbs and a Nytro about 542 lbs, both dry claimed weights (I even remember seeing a 522 lb claimed dry for the Nytro)? 1200 TNT is 499 so maybe you're comparing the TNT to the Nytro.....Or my Nytro weight I'm remember is off by a lot.

The actual listed dry weight of the TNT 1200 is 499 and the 1200 X is 509. The Nytro is listed somewhere in the 540-545 range. I read a weight comparo last season from I think Maximum sled and what they found was the 1200's were weighing about ten lbs lighter than listed and the Nytro about 20 lbs more than listed. The Yamahas are all listed way lighter than actual and most all the SkiDoos are listed very close or heavier than actual.

[freddy2]

Hard to ride them dry.

Of course but if both OEM's were being honest, the weight difference dry should give you the weight difference when wet, provided of course one OEM (Yamaha) didn't go and give a tiny 7 gallon fuel tank.

[freddy2]

The actual listed dry weight of the TNT 1200 is 499 and the 1200 X is 509. The Nytro is listed somewhere in the 540-545 range. I read a weight comparo last season from I think Maximum sled and what they found was the 1200's were weighing about ten lbs lighter than listed and the Nytro about 20 lbs more than listed. The Yamahas are all listed way lighter than actual and most all the SkiDoos are listed very close or heavier than actual.

Thanks - the 520 number must have been a Renegade 1200. Anyway, yes depending on 1200 model, that's indeed 30-45 lbs difference, IF both are honest dry weights.

Interesting info from Max Sled. I did hear something like that before, that Doo was coming in lighter than claimed, and Yamaha significantly heavier (shame). Then we're talking 489 TNT and 499 X vs a 560-565 Nytro, so from 60-75 lbs more for a Nytro in the real world. Wow. I wonder where all that extra weight comes from? Thicker aluminum in tunnel etc.? Beefier than necessary bulkhead/frame? Skidframe? Likely an accumulation of all those things, as I would think the 1050 motor can't be heavier than the 1170.

[freddy2]

NytroFX to XR1200 actual dry real measured weights, weighed on same scale same day, track length for track length, is 45 LBS. This is apples to apples, wet weight with both machines FULL of fuel, Ski-Doo is still 20 LBS lighter than Nytro even though Doo holds more fuel. Dry Weight of TNT XR1200 is within 1 pound of twin cylinder four-stroke Phazer which is lightest four-stroke, not bad for the XR1200!

Thanks

[snowmonkey]

For 1200 owners please. Mileage goes up and the motor loosens, so give your latest figures please.

2350 miles average mpg 17 high 21 trail ride at a fast steady speed. the sled is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[freddy2]

2350 miles average mpg 17 high 21 trail ride at a fast steady speed. the sled is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

US or Imp? If either its still pretty good, esp'y 21 mpg Imp, but if US....that's of course even better.

[dnaburns]

For 1200 owners please. Mileage goes up and the motor loosens, so give your latest figures please.

I don't think so. 1850 miles, 12-14 mpg. Has been getting the same mileage since new. It broke in and is much snappier and also faster top end, but the same gas mileage.

No big deal, its just the mileage per tank part that stinks. Gets me worried in the U.P now and then.

[Red RevXRider]

My GTX has 1600+ miles on her. I'm getting around 15 mpg (same as my 07 600HO SDI Blizzard shorty) when riding solo and mashing the throttle. Deep powder I dropped to 12-13.

Getting up to 18 when in "touring mode" with the wife on the back.

My first 3-4 tanks I was getting 12 tops. I am definitely seeing an improvement with every tankful and I haven't flatlined yet. I am also seeing an improvement in top end speed too, even with the heavy sled and me being a full figured rider.

I love my 1200 and am 98% sure I am getting a '11 Gade 1200 unless a good deal on a MY10 comes my way.

[jasonboyer96]

Further proof of 4Tec (and four strokes) getting better mileage than SDI/ETec when pushed and worse when taking it easy, interesting.....and nice to hear an unbiased opinion by someone who owns both.

Good comparison to the SDI.....I have an 04 Legend SDI (zx) and at one time was thinking I should trade up to improve economy, but I don't think that's necessary. I'll be happy with mileage if its the same as the latest 4 strokes.

What's your theory on why the Apex was worse on fuel? Weight? Higher revs?

More horsepower = usually more fuel, also 4 cylinders instead of 3.

[426h]

I seem to be getting around 14 mpg this year, was 11 last season. Mixed conditions trail/offtrail, 1.75" track renegade.

[freddy2]

More horsepower = usually more fuel, also 4 cylinders instead of 3.

True at WOT as power isn't free.....but I find bigger motors tend to get similar or even better mileage than smaller at the same trail speeds as they aren't working as hard, so its been awhile since I asked this so I forget the context, but I was probably meaning why the Apex would get worse mileage 'at the same trail speeds'. Like - I had a 96 Summit 670 that got better mileage than a 96 MXZ 440 on the same trail and same trail speeds and that's a whopping difference in hp and torque, not to mention I outweighed the guy by 40 lbs and was pulling a Summit track vs his shorty. Had we went WOT on a lake for a long time and checked mileage, however, I would bet a lot of money that it would have reversed and I'd be significantly worse.

I don't think 4 cylinders vs 3 would matter much if they're similar displacement because they're 4 smaller cylinders running pistons on shorter strokes so if rpm's are the same they'd be pumping similar quantities of air and therefore fuel. The 4 cylinders afford higher revs though due to less rotating mass, around 10,500 in the Apex brought down to 8,500 (?) rpms by gear reduction, so the Apex rpm's are higher than the lower revving 4Tec triple all the way through to WOT, and suspect that's why....in addition to the significantly heavier weight.

[Ditch Banger]

4950 miles this year. 14 MPG running wide open. 17MPG crusing 60 to 80 MPH. Based on US gallon. Oh and on our 750 mile weekends 2 gallons less 2 stroke oil then the guys running at 40-1

[jetskidick]

Hmmm I'm looking at spring ordering a GSX SE with the air suspension, and 1200 4 stroke... haven't pulled the plug yet, because I want that suspension with an E tec, but Ski doo doesn't make that combo... I'd like the lighter weight, and better mileage.. not sure why the didn't put the 800 E tec in the short track GSX or the long track gsx se...